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Wooly Rupert
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 Posted - 30 Oct 2010 : 05:15:48
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
I'm not sure which version I have. I don't remember the Cthulu pantheon in it, but it WAS called Deities and Demigods. With the blue/purple cover with gods in constellations and some sort of temple on it, right? Mine's been in storage for some time now. Along with MOST of my D&D stuff. (Except for the few I CAN'T go without, lol!)
Correct. The earlier version is rather uncommon, so it's likely you've got the revised one.
Heh... Only a couple of folks will get this, but I just realized that this makes Cthulhu one of the Unseen!  |
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Dennis
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Posted - 30 Oct 2010 : 06:27:56
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
I'm not sure which version I have. I don't remember the Cthulu pantheon in it, but it WAS called Deities and Demigods. With the blue/purple cover with gods in constellations and some sort of temple on it, right? Mine's been in storage for some time now. Along with MOST of my D&D stuff. (Except for the few I CAN'T go without, lol!)
Correct. The earlier version is rather uncommon, so it's likely you've got the revised one.
Heh... Only a couple of folks will get this, but I just realized that this makes Cthulhu one of the Unseen!
Cthulhu? How do you pronounce that? When I try to, it sounds ridiculous - like an orc's gibber. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 30 Oct 2010 : 06:53:41
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Heh... Only a couple of folks will get this, but I just realized that this makes Cthulhu one of the Unseen!
Thanks Wooly. Now I've got images of the various Great Old Ones as forbidden 'Mechs plaguing my mind.  |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 30 Oct 2010 : 06:56:54
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Originally posted by dennis
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
I'm not sure which version I have. I don't remember the Cthulu pantheon in it, but it WAS called Deities and Demigods. With the blue/purple cover with gods in constellations and some sort of temple on it, right? Mine's been in storage for some time now. Along with MOST of my D&D stuff. (Except for the few I CAN'T go without, lol!)
Correct. The earlier version is rather uncommon, so it's likely you've got the revised one.
Heh... Only a couple of folks will get this, but I just realized that this makes Cthulhu one of the Unseen!
Cthulhu? How do you pronounce that? When I try to, it sounds ridiculous - like an orc's gibber.
Chaosium's The Encyclopedia Cthulhiana says:- "kuh-THOO-loo," while Lovecraft scholars usually agree that "KLOO-loo" is more correct, while Lovecraft himself suggested "KLUH-luh" is the most appropriate pronunciation. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 30 Oct 2010 : 07:11:26
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by dennis
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
I'm not sure which version I have. I don't remember the Cthulu pantheon in it, but it WAS called Deities and Demigods. With the blue/purple cover with gods in constellations and some sort of temple on it, right? Mine's been in storage for some time now. Along with MOST of my D&D stuff. (Except for the few I CAN'T go without, lol!)
Correct. The earlier version is rather uncommon, so it's likely you've got the revised one.
Heh... Only a couple of folks will get this, but I just realized that this makes Cthulhu one of the Unseen!
Cthulhu? How do you pronounce that? When I try to, it sounds ridiculous - like an orc's gibber.
Chaosium's The Encyclopedia Cthulhiana says:- "kuh-THOO-loo," while Lovecraft scholars usually agree that "KLOO-loo" is more correct, while Lovecraft himself suggested "KLUH-luh" is the most appropriate pronunciation.
All three sound weird. But mine is weirder: Choo-Lu. |
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Alystra Illianniis
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Sandro
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 30 Oct 2010 : 07:25:01
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| As Lovecraft stated, it's not even a word, really, just a transcription of alien whisperings from black dreams of unknown terror. Who really knows -- who really wants to find out -- how it's really pronounced? |
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Dennis
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Posted - 30 Oct 2010 : 07:40:57
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
As an amateur linguist, it just sounds more logical and natural.
Wait till you get to learn Kalagan and other 'most' native - roots - languages in our country, Philippines. You'll see that you have to be a REAL native to even correctly pronounce their words - which at times bear no obvious correspondence to their spellings. Even I, whose native (Cebuano) language has some little similarity to theirs, find it very difficult to grasp Kalagan.
What sounds logical and natural to us - even with the help of linguistic knowledge - may sound totally different from the natives who speak the language. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 30 Oct 2010 : 07:47:12
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Originally posted by Sandro
As Lovecraft stated, it's not even a word, really, just a transcription of alien whisperings from black dreams of unknown terror. Who really knows -- who really wants to find out -- how it's really pronounced?
Alien whisperings from dreams, eh? I wonder if that alien is actually an orc - or a human whispering orcish gibber as an orc possessed him. |
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Alystra Illianniis
Great Reader
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Posted - 30 Oct 2010 : 08:07:34
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| Heh, Well said, dennis- about the language, I mean. I tend to go more on intuition and the general "flavor" of a language, when trying to determine pronunciation. Like how people from Louisiana say "Nawlins" instead of New Orleans. Or New Englanders' "chowdah", lol! I've run across some interesting linguistic forms over the years- like a tiny little island (not far south of you, actually, in the area between Philippines and Malaysia) called Ponapei which is apparently pronounced like Pompei, Italy. Not very logical, unless you look at the rest of the ancient language the name came from. Incidentally, i stumbled across this one when I found a book on the island's ancient "lost city", which was a truly incredible city built COMPLETELY ON WATER!! It was built by using solid blocks of stone as platforms and walkways over the small cove it sat in. The city was called Nan Madal, and no one knows what happened to the people. Sort of like Atlantis. I have since modeled a lost civilization of lizard folk (Dragon Mag. Sea Iguanids) on it. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 30 Oct 2010 : 10:38:38
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
Heh, Well said, dennis- about the language, I mean. I tend to go more on intuition and the general "flavor" of a language, when trying to determine pronunciation. Like how people from Louisiana say "Nawlins" instead of New Orleans. Or New Englanders' "chowdah", lol! I've run across some interesting linguistic forms over the years- like a tiny little island (not far south of you, actually, in the area between Philippines and Malaysia) called Ponapei which is apparently pronounced like Pompei, Italy. Not very logical, unless you look at the rest of the ancient language the name came from. Incidentally, i stumbled across this one when I found a book on the island's ancient "lost city", which was a truly incredible city built COMPLETELY ON WATER!! It was built by using solid blocks of stone as platforms and walkways over the small cove it sat in. The city was called Nan Madal, and no one knows what happened to the people. Sort of like Atlantis. I have since modeled a lost civilization of lizard folk (Dragon Mag. Sea Iguanids) on it.
Nan Madal....Interesting. Actually, if my memory serves right, the earliest settlers in our country, the Malays, built something similar to that somewhere in Mindanao, but it was destroyed during the coming of the Spaniards. 'Twas not a city, but a really huge community. |
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Ananta
Acolyte
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 30 Oct 2010 : 15:42:50
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Heh... Only a couple of folks will get this, but I just realized that this makes Cthulhu one of the Unseen!
Thanks Wooly. Now I've got images of the various Great Old Ones as forbidden 'Mechs plaguing my mind.
I am pleased with myself.  |
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Dennis
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Alystra Illianniis
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Dennis
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Posted - 31 Oct 2010 : 05:46:50
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Another favorite name: Larloch. It sounds tough, 'cool.' It also fits his personality. Did Ed name him himself? Does Ed have some rules too in making Netherese names? I don't like the sound of Karsus, Candlemas, and Ioulaum though. |
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Alystra Illianniis
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 31 Oct 2010 : 15:02:52
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These are not my favorites, but rather I find strange:
Warian (from the novel Darkvision). Turn the first letter upside down and you'll have Marian. It really sounds too feminine to be a guy's name.
Variance (a Sharan priestess who's ever loyal to Rivalen). Seriously, was Troy or Paul or whoever named her too tired when he had to think of a name for this character? Or perhaps he was doing some math then? Or preparing for a trial? Variance like the square of the standard deviation? Variance like a disagreement between two parts of the same legal proceeding that must be consonant? Variance like a license to do some act contrary to the usual rule? I don't dislike it. I just think it's too weird a name, most specially for a Sharan priestess. |
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
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Posted - 31 Oct 2010 : 20:07:51
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Larloch is Ed's name; Candlemas, Ioulaum, and Karsus are not. I can spot many non-Ed names a mile off, because they're ugly or inappropriate to a medieval fantasy setting because of real-world associations (a stallion called Avalon? Come ON!), or just "don't sound right."
Ed's names usually do. Ed rarely has hard and fast "rules" for naming, just sounds that recur often, across the names of a particular Realmsian culture.
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Dennis
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Posted - 01 Nov 2010 : 01:13:44
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Thanks THO! I suspected as much. Perhaps it's safe to assume that more than half of the Realmsian names I like are Ed's, and more than of what I dislike, find weird, or simply don't care about aren't his.
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Among the names of places, Urlingwood and Ardeep are on top of my list of beautiful-sounding names.
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New to my list:
Arkaius – It fits the character well. As kingly as it sounds.
Anilya – 'Tis princess-like; not a bad contradiction to the character's nature.
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I've just finished The Shadow Stone, a good book, albeit the story is very predictable at times. Few names in it have easily become my favorites:
Oriseus. It sounds like a god's name. And maybe that's Richard's point, because the Imaskaran archmage is almost as powerful and older than some gods.
Melisanda. Sounds as good as the character herself.
The only name that I don't like in the novel is Dalrioc. It sounds like dayok, a certain food here in the Phil. |
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