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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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William of Waterdeep
Senior Scribe
USA
829 Posts |
 Posted - 14 Oct 2003 : 21:18:40
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Originally posted by Sage of Perth
Ahh...I just love rumor mongerin', it is just like screed, only juicier...
Oh is that what Cardinal is doing? I thought he was the Zhentil Keep News since he told us more at 11' |
Courage isn't the lack of fear but rather believing in and doing what you know is right even though fear is present.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31772 Posts |
Posted - 15 Oct 2003 : 06:47:49
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Indeed...
Oh, and congratulations on your promotion to Learned Scribe William. Now Alaundo can pile upon you...assign you more work...umm...important duties for you to perform here at the library...
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
4740 Posts |
Posted - 15 Oct 2003 : 15:30:53
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Indeed! It looks like he is as prolific as I am in turning out scrolls . . . . Alaundo will be delighted when he sees he's got another victim er, helper. () |
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Alaundo
Head Moderator
United Kingdom
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Posted - 15 Oct 2003 : 18:23:20
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Originally posted by Sage of Perth
Indeed...
Oh, and congratulations on your promotion to Learned Scribe William. Now Alaundo can pile upon you...assign you more work...umm...important duties for you to perform here at the library...
Well Met
Indeed indeed, congratulations are certainly in order once again. Dont let these two Masters of Realmslore frighten you though |
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Jander Sunstar
Learned Scribe
Turkey
275 Posts |
Posted - 15 Oct 2003 : 22:26:15
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So William you are a learned scribe now, that means you will help and teach more ,good luck and learn more than you teach. |
Punish me if you will, for my hands are not clean. But deny me not my revenge!"
-Jander Sunstar |
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William of Waterdeep
Senior Scribe
USA
829 Posts |
Posted - 16 Oct 2003 : 01:21:26
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Originally posted by Jander Sunstar
So William you are a learned scribe now, that means you will help and teach more,good luck and learn more than you teach.
Thanks,I didn't notice till you said that.I always learn more than I teach so I usaully learn very little. |
Courage isn't the lack of fear but rather believing in and doing what you know is right even though fear is present.
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lowtech
Learned Scribe
USA
315 Posts |
Posted - 17 Oct 2003 : 15:51:56
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Originally posted by Cardinal Deimos
Ah the Athar... *Ahem*:
" The Athar work tirelessly to discredit the Gods,interfering with their Clerics, Attempting to sway the faith of their Congregations. The preach supremacy of a force they call the Great Unknown, which transcends the gods and grants Athar the ability to resist divine magic."
They are ....ummm... Philisophical group based in Sigil... Be back with more info later...
They're also secretly supported by the Lord of Nessus. He eats the souls of unbelievers (the godless) to repair his broken body. Muahahaha! |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31772 Posts |
Posted - 18 Oct 2003 : 07:34:05
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The consequences of which would be dire indeed...for it would finally allow the Lord of the Ninth to leave/escape the Nine Hells and challenge the eternal balance of Good and Evil. The interposing neutral realm of the Outlands would collapse, and the Great Ring would be destroyed...leaving a vast and empty void.
If Asmodeus does indeed succeed in leaving the Nine Hells (something which Jazirian is trying very hard to prevent) it will mean the end of everything. Lacking the eternal law of balance to hold them together, the planes fragment and collapse...deities, and their followers...in fact all mortals could only stand and watch as their entire existence slowly slid towards eternal and unending chaos.
And as we all know, this is exactly what Asmodeus desires, as it will allow him to reshape the multiverse in the image he so desires...
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The Cardinal
Senior Scribe
Canada
647 Posts |
Posted - 18 Oct 2003 : 12:52:03
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| I knew there was a reason why I like Baatezu more than Tanar'ri. Yep... Asmodeus, the true bringer of balance... well ok maybe not but his vision of the mutliverse couldn't be anyworse than what WotC have done with it |
It has to be Certain, the Gods Hate Me. For whatever irrevokable Fate, I have been made the walking Joke. Either that, or Beshaba is overlyfond Of Me.
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Jander Sunstar
Learned Scribe
Turkey
275 Posts |
Posted - 18 Oct 2003 : 13:14:43
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Punish me if you will, for my hands are not clean. But deny me not my revenge!"
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William of Waterdeep
Senior Scribe
USA
829 Posts |
Posted - 18 Oct 2003 : 22:42:10
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Courage isn't the lack of fear but rather believing in and doing what you know is right even though fear is present.
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Dark_Lord
Seeker
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Posted - 18 Oct 2003 : 23:36:25
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Let me quote the almighty and glorious.
"I will rip the world asunder, and you would be left begging mercy at my feet 'til the end of time!" |
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William of Waterdeep
Senior Scribe
USA
829 Posts |
Posted - 19 Oct 2003 : 01:52:01
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Originally posted by Dark_Lord
Let me quote the almighty and glorious.
"I will rip the world asunder, and you would be left begging mercy at my feet 'til the end of time!"
I don't doubt your word Dark_Lord but what is your source just for my
curiosity. |
Courage isn't the lack of fear but rather believing in and doing what you know is right even though fear is present.
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
2965 Posts |
Posted - 19 Oct 2003 : 02:21:47
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This even has some basis in 3e.
Asmodeus' statistics were presented in the Book of Vile Darkness, and that version would not be powerful enough for the task in question.
However, the 3e Manual of the Planes has a note on the Serpent's Coil feature of Nessus. I'll paraphrase it here:
Brutally repressed rumors suggest there may be more to Asmodeus then he admits. Apparently, Asmodeus' true body resides in the Serpent's Coil, a massive rift formed when Asmodeus first arrived in the Nine Hells-by falling. His titanic, miles-long form still lays there, its black blood pooling out of uncountable cuts. Nothing that tells this tale survives more than 24 hours after repeating it aloud. Secret scrolls in great libraries may yet record this knowledge, however... |
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William of Waterdeep
Senior Scribe
USA
829 Posts |
Posted - 19 Oct 2003 : 02:28:17
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I wonder if they are planning on using this sometime since it is mentioned in 3e MotP? Not good for all Toril,not just Faerun. |
Courage isn't the lack of fear but rather believing in and doing what you know is right even though fear is present.
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Jander Sunstar
Learned Scribe
Turkey
275 Posts |
Posted - 19 Oct 2003 : 13:39:34
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| Who is Jazirian? Are those related to planscape and where can I find info about planscape(downloads and books) |
Punish me if you will, for my hands are not clean. But deny me not my revenge!"
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William of Waterdeep
Senior Scribe
USA
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31772 Posts |
Posted - 20 Oct 2003 : 08:04:46
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Jander Sunstar said -
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Who is Jazirian? Are those related to planscape and where can I find info about planscape(downloads and books)
Here's some information -
Jazirian is from Monster Mythology, and has a fascinating realm detailed in Planes of Law. It exists in an airy void that visitors have to leap from the mountaintop to reach, and it's the only portal to the next layer. Word-related magic cast there becomes living creatures.
Jazirian is hermaphroditic, male and female combined. The nagas, however, see Jazirian as male and the sometime consort of Shekinester, their triple goddess. Parrafaire, the naga god of guardians, is supposedly Jazirian and Shekinester's child.
The myth of Jazirian (Spenta Mainyu, Good Spirit as the Persians said) and Ahriman (Angra Mainyu, Bad Spirit) treats Jazirian as all female, the yin to Ahriman's yang - or, more accurately, vice versa. This is, however, a simplification, like the naga myth. Jazirian is a complete god, like Io, opposites united. He/she is the lawful good incarnation of the World Serpent, the primal reptillian infinity, the loop that surrounds and defines all that is. His opposite is Merrshaulk, the corrupt, sleeping World Serpent worshipped by the yuan-ti. Merrshaulk is chaotic evil to Jazirian's lawful good, just as Ahriman/Asmodeus is lawful evil.
There are most likely chaotic good World Serpent fragments as well.
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Dark_Lord
Seeker
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Posted - 22 Oct 2003 : 18:57:13
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Originally posted by William of Waterdeep
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Originally posted by Dark_Lord
Let me quote the almighty and glorious.
"I will rip the world asunder, and you would be left begging mercy at my feet 'til the end of time!"
I don't doubt your word Dark_Lord but what is your source just for my
curiosity.
Well, Bane of course you ignorant buffoon. |
Edited by - Dark_Lord on 22 Oct 2003 18:58:30 |
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William of Waterdeep
Senior Scribe
USA
829 Posts |
Posted - 22 Oct 2003 : 20:03:40
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Originally posted by Dark_Lord
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Originally posted by William of Waterdeep
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Originally posted by Dark_Lord
Let me quote the almighty and glorious.
"I will rip the world asunder, and you would be left begging mercy at my feet 'til the end of time!"
I don't doubt your word Dark_Lord but what is your source just for my
curiosity.
Well, Bane of course you ignorant buffoon.
Hey who you calling an ignorant buffoon?....Whats a buffoon? |
Courage isn't the lack of fear but rather believing in and doing what you know is right even though fear is present.
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The Cardinal
Senior Scribe
Canada
647 Posts |
Posted - 23 Oct 2003 : 06:58:11
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Tis ok Will.... I think he was saying that to Bookwyrm...
But Yes Asmodeus it that powerful! He is the most Powerful being of ALL! I just wish my DM would let me find my wiz a scroll to summon him to the material plane.... I get all giddy at the power one could wield if they broke the the Lord of the Nine to their will....
HEE HEE HEE!!!!
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It has to be Certain, the Gods Hate Me. For whatever irrevokable Fate, I have been made the walking Joke. Either that, or Beshaba is overlyfond Of Me.
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Cyric
Senior Scribe
Norway
388 Posts |
Posted - 23 Oct 2003 : 09:26:28
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| he cant be that powerful, could he no i think Cyric and the rest of the gods could kick his ass back to the abyss |
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Jander Sunstar
Learned Scribe
Turkey
275 Posts |
Posted - 23 Oct 2003 : 12:21:07
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I think he has some great powers not written in the scroll I read.
He is actually god like creature, I think. Maybe a victim of Lady of Pain.
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Punish me if you will, for my hands are not clean. But deny me not my revenge!"
-Jander Sunstar |
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William of Waterdeep
Senior Scribe
USA
829 Posts |
Posted - 24 Oct 2003 : 00:14:53
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I don't know,but the gods of Faerun would be like a group of adventur-ers facing an ancient dragon from what Arivia quoted from the MotP.
They might kick arse and they might get their arse kicked.It would certainly be a major battle. |
Courage isn't the lack of fear but rather believing in and doing what you know is right even though fear is present.
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
4740 Posts |
Posted - 24 Oct 2003 : 18:51:21
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Originally posted by Cardinal Deimos
Tis ok Will.... I think he was saying that to Bookwyrm...
Bookwyrm's eyes begin to glow with a dragonic rage . . . .
You were saying? |
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William of Waterdeep
Senior Scribe
USA
829 Posts |
Posted - 24 Oct 2003 : 22:52:05
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No,Dark_Lord was talking to me!!He called me a ignorant buffoon.
I think he was joking but it really doesn't matter, you know me I have been called worse so just call me at dinner at I won't care.
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Courage isn't the lack of fear but rather believing in and doing what you know is right even though fear is present.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31772 Posts |
Posted - 26 Oct 2003 : 05:10:13
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Cardinal Deimos said -
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I just wish my DM would let me find my wiz a scroll to summon him to the material plane
Not according to official canon of course...This must be a house-rule?.
Cyric said -
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he cant be that powerful, could he no i think Cyric and the rest of the gods could kick his ass back to the abyss
It is important to remember that Asmodeus is a level-above that of the most powerful deities in the multiverse. Asmodeus has existed since the creation of the Multiverse, so it is logical to assume that he knows more than one way to protect himself from 'lesser' upstarts, and has a mastery of powers outside the scope of even the Greater deities themselves - such as the deities of Faerun.
Jander Sunstar said -
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He is actually god like creature, I think. Maybe a victim of Lady of Pain.
An understandable theory, but the most accepted idea behind Asmodeus is that his is a 'victim' (if he can be called that) of Jazirian.
William of Waterdeep said -
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They might kick arse and they might get their arse kicked.It would certainly be a major battle.
If they could even reach him. Remember, the deities would have to deal with the rest of the Lords of the Nine, as well as the Dark Eight, before they could even reach Nessus.
Whew!!!
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William of Waterdeep
Senior Scribe
USA
829 Posts |
Posted - 26 Oct 2003 : 09:58:46
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I hadn't really thought of that.There wouldn't be much chance of reaching Nessus.
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Courage isn't the lack of fear but rather believing in and doing what you know is right even though fear is present.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31772 Posts |
Posted - 26 Oct 2003 : 11:26:37
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Let us not forget also, that to even visit Nessus, one must travel through the gate from Cania which is guarded by a very large formation of gelugons. Not only would they need to be beaten back before anyone can use the only portal to Nessus, but Mephistopheles is not exactly a 'push-over' himself.
Besides, there is a well-founded piece of screed, that one would need the permission of Asmodeus himself to even breach the portal anyway, so...
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