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Dennis
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 Posted - 21 Jan 2011 : 23:24:19
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| I think I it was mentioned in The Haunted Lands that Tam retained all his spells he learned when he was still alive. 'Twas in Undead, I think. Anyway, thanks, Erdrick. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 22 Jan 2011 : 00:47:16
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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The Shadow Weave, as a shadow of the Weave, is indeed less powerful than the Weave. It can't exceed the Weave, and in some ways, fails to match it.
The point?
I don't recall mentioning otherwise. What I said was the W has a Ban, while the SW has none, hence Telamont is able to utilize high-level spells that might otherwise have been impossible had he used the W.
The point is that if the Weave can't do it, the Shadow Weave can't, either.
Which is also canon fact. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 22 Jan 2011 : 00:47:55
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
The Shadow Weave is a shadow of the Weave. It is inherently less than the Weave -- the Shadow Weave cannot exceed the capabilities of that which it exists within. The Shadow Weave has the same limitations as the Weave, plus its own limitations.
I'd recommend reading both Ed and Rich's take on this. As I recall, they're both stored here in the various reply files at Candlekeep. |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 22 Jan 2011 : 21:45:26
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And Telamont is not? So what then do you call someone who does everything to establish a continent-spanning empire, killing without compunction anyone who stands in the way, crushing foes and servants alike? A compassionate person?
He's no fool and knows his limitations, they spied Faerun for centuries and then settled above Anauroch.
Knowing one's limitation is not outside the province of megalomania. They all wish to succeed in whatever twisted ambition they have, so megalomaniacs need to be calculating. But of course, that doesn't guarantee them of success. Take Tam and Sammaster for example, and yes, you may also include the Cockroach in the lot. |
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Quale
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 22 Jan 2011 : 21:55:07
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well, it seems to me that Telamont's promises to his sons were empty, just to get them going
like the nazis dreamed of dividing the world among themselves |
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Dennis
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Posted - 22 Jan 2011 : 22:11:30
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He'd let them rule a nation or two, but he would always be in supreme command of all, like what he did to Rivalen. The now-turned-exarch son "supervises" Sembia, but the final say still comes from his father.
Speaking of his sons, I wonder if Telmont still cares about them, not as one cares about his tools or prized possessions, but as a real father cares about his children. Yes, he once threatened Brennus when the latter said he'd spill the secret about his mother's murder. But Telamont might just be worried that their sons might kill each other, consequently lose them, and ultimately make him alone and lonely. Hah! Maybe I'm reading way between the lines. |
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Quale
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 22 Jan 2011 : 23:05:14
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he cares with a tiny bit of his soul that remains, that is not replaced by shadowstuff
Telamont probably thinks Rivalen is a lost cause, but fears to kill him cause it would cost him his humanity |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 22 Jan 2011 : 23:40:02
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| Indeed. And I don't think he blamed Rivalen for committing matricide. 'Tis Shar he blamed. I postulated before, considering how much he loved (and still does) his wife, he must have been secretly plotting his revenge, helping Shar's enemies. |
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Firestorm
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 23 Jan 2011 : 01:50:52
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Indeed. And I don't think he blamed Rivalen for committing matricide. 'Tis Shar he blamed. I postulated before, considering how much he loved (and still does) his wife, he must have been secretly plotting his revenge, helping Shar's enemies.
I disagree. Telamont seems fairly devout to the Lady. He feels they owe her much and seems to be pretty deppresed a person, thinking all they have left is restoring Nethril with Alashar gone. The sole reason he did not kill Rivalen was because Shar revealed it to him and demanded he not kill him.
Other than that short story, the only other time we see them together is in the story, the Lady and the shadow
His display of feelings towards Brennus came to a head when he was shaking him by the throat, and saw Brennus crying and released him, saying "forgive me Brennus" |
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Dennis
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Posted - 23 Jan 2011 : 02:04:32
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Telamont is devout to Shar? I don't think so. If you could recall, Telamont once told Rivalen if he might be the right person to stop the Shadowstorm, knowing that he's the Nightseer and that the occurrence of the Shadowstorm was Shar's will. Had he been faithful to Shar, he would have left the Shadowstorm devastate Toril and watched as his dream of rebuilding Netheril die before his very eyes.
He stopped Brennus from revealing Rivalen's crime because his sons would take sides, and soon his family would crumble. He could not afford that, as, other than he cares about them, he needs them to help him fulfill his ambition. |
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Firestorm
Senior Scribe
Canada
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Posted - 23 Jan 2011 : 02:10:35
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Originally posted by Dennis
Telamont is devout to Shar? I don't think so. If you could recall, Telamont once told Rivalen if he might be the right person to stop the Shadowstorm, knowing that he's the Nightseer and that the occurrence of the Shadowstorm was Shar's will. Had he been faithful to Shar, he would have left the Shadowstorm devastate Toril and watched as his dream of rebuilding Netheril die before his very eyes.
He stopped Brennus from revealing Rivalen's crime because his sons would take sides, and soon his family would crumble. He could not afford that, as, other than he cares about them, he needs them to help him fulfill his ambition.
By that logic, Had Rivalen been faithful to Shar, he would have thrown in with Kesson Rel, allowing the shadowstorm to go on unabated. Illogical.
Telamont had only cursory knowledge of the Shadowstorm, and Hadruhne's divination, revealing a Sharran at the root. Rivalen had full knowledge of what the shadowstorm was and still stopped it by delaying it. |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 23 Jan 2011 : 02:20:58
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Originally posted by Firestorm
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Originally posted by Dennis
Telamont is devout to Shar? I don't think so. If you could recall, Telamont once told Rivalen if he might be the right person to stop the Shadowstorm, knowing that he's the Nightseer and that the occurrence of the Shadowstorm was Shar's will. Had he been faithful to Shar, he would have left the Shadowstorm devastate Toril and watched as his dream of rebuilding Netheril die before his very eyes.
He stopped Brennus from revealing Rivalen's crime because his sons would take sides, and soon his family would crumble. He could not afford that, as, other than he cares about them, he needs them to help him fulfill his ambition.
By that logic, Had Rivalen been faithful to Shar, he would have thrown in with Kesson Rel, allowing the shadowstorm to go on unabated. Illogical.
In that scene when Rivalen was contemplating on what to do with the Shadowstorm, it was said the prince was at war with the priest---two roles he performed. But he reached a middle ground: By delaying the Shadowstorm, his father would be able to rebuild Netheril, and when that happens, he'll make sure the Shadowstorm devours everything.
While he is loyal to Shar, he gives enough importance to his station as a prince, and to the empire.
Ergo, what he did was not illogical. |
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Erdrick Stormedge
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 23 Jan 2011 : 05:30:18
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I myself did once attempt to lay spells of divination within Thultanthar. Each, no matter how deviouslt placed, twas implacably traced back to the simulacri whence they originated! Twas not for many years did I learn, through infernal contacts within the court of Duke Mephistopheles, that the Most High is fully aware of all that transpires in Shade Enclave. Prince Brennus' Divination Chamber foremost.I
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Telamont is devout to Shar? I don't think so. If you could recall, Telamont once told Rivalen if he might be the right person to stop the Shadowstorm, knowing that he's the Nightseer and that the occurrence of the Shadowstorm was Shar's will. Had he been faithful to Shar, he would have left the Shadowstorm devastate Toril and watched as his dream of rebuilding Netheril die before his very eyes.
He stopped Brennus from revealing Rivalen's crime because his sons would take sides, and soon his family would crumble. He could not afford that, as, other than he cares about them, he needs them to help him fulfill his ambition.
By that logic, Had Rivalen been faithful to Shar, he would have thrown in with Kesson Rel, allowing the shadowstorm to go on unabated. Illogical.
Telamont had only cursory knowledge of the Shadowstorm, and Hadruhne's divination, revealing a Sharran at the root. Rivalen had full knowledge of what the shadowstorm was and still stopped it by delaying it.
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 23 Jan 2011 : 06:31:27
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Originally posted by Erdrick Stormedge
I myself did once attempt to lay spells of divination within Thultanthar. Each, no matter how deviouslt placed, twas implacably traced back to the simulacri whence they originated! Twas not for many years did I learn, through infernal contacts within the court of Duke Mephistopheles, that the Most High is fully aware of all that transpires in Shade Enclave. Prince Brennus' Divination Chamber foremost.I
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Originally posted by Dennis
Telamont is devout to Shar? I don't think so. If you could recall, Telamont once told Rivalen if he might be the right person to stop the Shadowstorm, knowing that he's the Nightseer and that the occurrence of the Shadowstorm was Shar's will. Had he been faithful to Shar, he would have left the Shadowstorm devastate Toril and watched as his dream of rebuilding Netheril die before his very eyes.
He stopped Brennus from revealing Rivalen's crime because his sons would take sides, and soon his family would crumble. He could not afford that, as, other than he cares about them, he needs them to help him fulfill his ambition.
By that logic, Had Rivalen been faithful to Shar, he would have thrown in with Kesson Rel, allowing the shadowstorm to go on unabated. Illogical.
Telamont had only cursory knowledge of the Shadowstorm, and Hadruhne's divination, revealing a Sharran at the root. Rivalen had full knowledge of what the shadowstorm was and still stopped it by delaying it.
It was mentioned either or both in RotA and the TW that Telamont knows everything that transpires within his city. |
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Firestorm
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 23 Jan 2011 : 12:53:39
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Originally posted by Dennis
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Originally posted by Dennis
Telamont is devout to Shar? I don't think so. If you could recall, Telamont once told Rivalen if he might be the right person to stop the Shadowstorm, knowing that he's the Nightseer and that the occurrence of the Shadowstorm was Shar's will. Had he been faithful to Shar, he would have left the Shadowstorm devastate Toril and watched as his dream of rebuilding Netheril die before his very eyes.
He stopped Brennus from revealing Rivalen's crime because his sons would take sides, and soon his family would crumble. He could not afford that, as, other than he cares about them, he needs them to help him fulfill his ambition.
By that logic, Had Rivalen been faithful to Shar, he would have thrown in with Kesson Rel, allowing the shadowstorm to go on unabated. Illogical.
In that scene when Rivalen was contemplating on what to do with the Shadowstorm, it was said the prince was at war with the priest---two roles he performed. But he reached a middle ground: By delaying the Shadowstorm, his father would be able to rebuild Netheril, and when that happens, he'll make sure the Shadowstorm devours everything.
While he is loyal to Shar, he gives enough importance to his station as a prince, and to the empire.
Ergo, what he did was not illogical.
In either case, it is no different from Telamont ordering him to do something about it. Saying Telamont is not a follower of the lady because he stopped her shadowstorm is the same as saying Rivalen is not her follower for the same reason. Both follow her designs, but in ways that allow them to follow their own first. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 23 Jan 2011 : 16:27:43
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Telamont said in Shadowrealm:"There will be nothing to give if the Shadowstorm is not stopped. End it, Rivalen. Soon. Other matters in the heartland proceed apace. This is a distraction."
What are those matters in the Hearlands that seemed to be more important and urgent than stopping the Shadowstorm? |
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