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Dennis
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 Posted - 11 Aug 2010 : 11:01:00
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Have you ever wondered what would happen should Szass Tam and Telamont come face to face? Surely they wouldn't sit at a table drinking tea or wine. It's just that an idea struck me when I recalled Hadrhune's plan to make himself a governor in Thay. Maybe it was Telamont's scheme after all, and not one of Hadrhune's lofty ambitions. Or both. Before Hadrhune was utterly destroyed, perhaps Telamont wanted his most trusted servant to establish a base in Thay and find a way to undermine Tam's forces and ultimately, Tam himself.
I like them equally, and should it come to the point when one needs to destroy the other in person, I still haven't made up my mind whom to choose as the victor. Perhaps Telamont's role as the Most High and supreme leader of the greatest (or most influential) power group in the Realms will rule out Tam's, but I'd like to think that Tam has also too many schemes yet unknown (other than his desire to remain the sole sovereign of Thay and his plan to become a god)--- schemes that reach and alter neighboring and distant realms one way or another.
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Dracons
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Posted - 17 Aug 2010 : 11:08:23
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| Likely Telamont would win. Yeah, Tam is powerful. Very powerful. Though if I remembered right, Telamont was a higher level caster in 3rd edition, and isn't limited by his spells like Tam is. Not to mention that Telamont is still a Nethrese caster, and has plenty of magic from Nethril times, and his own private magic from the shadow plane. Tam has... necromancy spells. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 17 Aug 2010 : 12:04:47
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Telamont indeed has some obvious advantages over Tam: he is a Netherese archwizard; lived far longer than Tam and therefore had more time experimenting and twiddling with magic; has an entire city whose denizens are high level wizards and Sharrans; has a goddess he could ask succor from in his direst moment; has an enthralled dracolich whose servitors are his by extension of power; has Sembia to aid him should the need arises; and is a true master of shadow magic. So yes, he might win.
On the other hand, Tam has more than just necromancy spells, and achieved things even the Most High may find too dangerous to risk. He has an entire nation (not just a city) fraught with legions of undead that may prove nearly invincible against shadow magic; has a god with whom he can bargain again; killed all the zulkirs who opposed him; might be enjoying some secret privileges from Larloch; and has Thakorsil's Seat which he may be lucky enough to use on Telamont.
Wait, Thakorsil's Seat had me thinking.... It draws power from the Weave, the caster, and the caster's soul sacrifice. Telamont is made of pure shadowstuff and has immunity to certain potent Weave-based spells. Given these, will Telamont, then, be able to resist this magical device?
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Dalor Darden
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Posted - 17 Aug 2010 : 16:58:05
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| Thakorsil's Seat is an artifact that works against the individual, not the individuals magic. Telamont still has an essence; just as Eltab did. I don't see why the artifact wouldn't work on a mere Shade when it will work on the likes of Eltab, Demi-Gods, etc. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 17 Aug 2010 : 22:15:12
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Hmmm, Tam is one of the wizards who succeeded in imprisoning Eltab; so one can say he is more powerful than the latter, or simply slyer. But even he was imprisoned in Thakorsil's Seat and wouldn't have been released had the zulkirs not helped him. So if he and Telamont are equal, then perhaps the Most High, like Tam, is NOT immune to the artifact.
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Nicolai Withander
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Denmark
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Posted - 17 Aug 2010 : 22:29:55
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Dennis
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Posted - 17 Aug 2010 : 22:46:26
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Both. Eltab was imprisoned pre-SP, and Tam was, too, post-SP. |
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Nicolai Withander
Master of Realmslore
Denmark
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Posted - 18 Aug 2010 : 21:50:34
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Well personally, I dont see Telemont as a thread so much! He's a push over. Bring the rain, and he will cry like a little baby!!!
If the two were to somewhat battle their empires against one another... no doubt Telemond would have the W in his grasp. Zsass boy is like 250yo and the Most High is what... 3000yo... That alone counts for so much experiece in dealing with all sorts of strange things... that one so old would not be awe struck by a puny lich and his marry men!!!!
The only true powerful mage is Melcar Silverdragon, Spell Lord of Fearûn!!!
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Dennis
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Posted - 20 Jan 2011 : 04:47:00
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Elfinblade
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Posted - 20 Jan 2011 : 08:18:35
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Having his Dread Rings in the Sword Coast, Tam is risking Telamont's attention...
Why would Telamont bother with the Sword Coast though? He might have enough on his plate with the remade Anauroch and Sembia in my opinion. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 20 Jan 2011 : 08:44:56
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Originally posted by Dennis
Having his Dread Rings in the Sword Coast, Tam is risking Telamont's attention...
Why would Telamont bother with the Sword Coast though? He might have enough on his plate with the remade Anauroch and Sembia in my opinion.
I heard there's a fallen Netherese enclave near (or in) Neverwinter.
He's no longer that busy with matters concerning Anauroch and Sembia. Rivalen rules Sembia, while one or two other sons are in-charge of clearing Anauroch of pests and "uninvited guests." |
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_Jarlaxle_
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Posted - 20 Jan 2011 : 12:01:06
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Well I think in a direct battle Telamont would smack Tam. He has more Levels and much more expirience. Any other scenario would depend on whats going on.
But even if Tam gets destroyed his phylactery has to be found to really get rid of him and there where rumors (don't think offical ones) that Larloch is in the possesion of Tams phylactery. If this would be true than it would be out of Telamonts reach I guess.
On the other hand if Tams plans about recreating existance would get known than it wouldn't last long until he gets destroyed by almost everyone else. And thats what I don't understand. There are people who know what Tam is up to, so why don't they spread the news around so someone powerfull stops him? |
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Dennis
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Posted - 20 Jan 2011 : 13:02:33
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Well, many know of Tam's DRs, but no one believes the grand ritual will accomplish its purpose. The Aglraondans were once warned of the DRs and the Ritual by the Brotherhood of the Griffon, but not a single soul believed such things, thinking them sheer stuff of myth.
I agree that even if Telamont manages to destroy Tam, he'd find it more difficult to rid of his phylactery. And if it happens to be in Larloch's possession, he could only dream. Unless of course he could bribe Larloch with something of similar or more value. |
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_Jarlaxle_
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Posted - 20 Jan 2011 : 13:14:15
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Erdrick Stormedge
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Posted - 20 Jan 2011 : 13:47:49
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Ho Ho Ho! I have come to adore the exaggerated tales of Larloch's might! I assure Ye, scribes of renown that nae tis Larloch as potent in might and spells as his propogandists t'would express!
Pray thee question: why dost nae yon bag-o-bones engage in... anything
? Why, pray thee, dost the lichnee rot away in his famed crypt? Fore sooth, Larloch tis more bogey-ghoul than threat!
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Well, many know of Tam's DRs, but no one believes the grand ritual will accomplish its purpose. The Aglraondans were once warned of the DRs and the Ritual by the Brotherhood of the Griffon, but not a single soul believed such things, thinking them sheer stuff of myth.
I agree that even if Telamont manages to destroy Tam, he'd find it more difficult to rid of his phylactery. And if it happens to be in Larloch's possession, he could only dream. Unless of course he could bribe Larloch with something of similar or more value.
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Erdrick Stormedge
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Posted - 20 Jan 2011 : 13:54:08
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Hmmm.... I knows not of this Melcar
Silverdragon... Pray thee, Nicolai, expound! (However could so mighty-a-one so easily escape my note?)
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Originally posted by Nicolai Withander
Well personally, I dont see Telemont as a thread so much! He's a push over. Bring the rain, and he will cry like a little baby!!!
If the two were to somewhat battle their empires against one another... no doubt Telemond would have the W in his grasp. Zsass boy is like 250yo and the Most High is what... 3000yo... That alone counts for so much experiece in dealing with all sorts of strange things... that one so old would not be awe struck by a puny lich and his marry men!!!!
The only true powerful mage is Melcar Silverdragon, Spell Lord of Fearûn!!!
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Dennis
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Posted - 20 Jan 2011 : 14:07:24
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Maybe he could go and ask Iolaum the great oracle where to find Tams phylactery?
Brennus can try first. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 20 Jan 2011 : 14:10:03
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Originally posted by Erdrick Stormedge
Hmmm.... I knows not of this Melcar
Silverdragon... Pray thee, Nicolai, expound! (However could so mighty-a-one so easily escape my note?)
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Originally posted by Nicolai Withander
Well personally, I dont see Telemont as a thread so much! He's a push over. Bring the rain, and he will cry like a little baby!!!
If the two were to somewhat battle their empires against one another... no doubt Telemond would have the W in his grasp. Zsass boy is like 250yo and the Most High is what... 3000yo... That alone counts for so much experiece in dealing with all sorts of strange things... that one so old would not be awe struck by a puny lich and his marry men!!!!
The only true powerful mage is Melcar Silverdragon, Spell Lord of Fearûn!!!
I don't think that's canon. |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 20 Jan 2011 : 17:08:02
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Originally posted by Erdrick Stormedge
Hmmm.... I knows not of this Melcar
Silverdragon... Pray thee, Nicolai, expound! (However could so mighty-a-one so easily escape my note?)
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Originally posted by Nicolai Withander
Well personally, I dont see Telemont as a thread so much! He's a push over. Bring the rain, and he will cry like a little baby!!!
If the two were to somewhat battle their empires against one another... no doubt Telemond would have the W in his grasp. Zsass boy is like 250yo and the Most High is what... 3000yo... That alone counts for so much experiece in dealing with all sorts of strange things... that one so old would not be awe struck by a puny lich and his marry men!!!!
The only true powerful mage is Melcar Silverdragon, Spell Lord of Fearûn!!!
I don't think that's canon.
It's Nicolai's own character. |
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Firestorm
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Posted - 20 Jan 2011 : 21:39:18
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I don't see Telamont losing to Tam in a straight up spell battle.
Tam was very powerful before the spellplague, but not quite at the level of the Most High. Tam would have no huge problem with most of the princes of shade on the other hand(Except Rivalen, who is likely at least equal to the most high after absorbing some of Mask's divinity). Tam also seems to have gained some levels since the spellplague, so who knows?
I am trying to remember offhand who the most powerful Wizard among the princes was(For some reason i think it was Lemorak). Rivalen is a Theurge, but his Cleric level 15 is higher than his wizardry level 10. Gives him a potent combination of variables, but would mean his magic is not as strong as an archmage(Before his divinity absorb)
Telamont stands apart with 20 levels of Wizard, 5 Archmage levels and 10 Shadow adept levels. Pretty damn strong and versatile.
Both nations can bring significant military might into the equation. My guess is that the biggest reason thay has not annexed Aglarond is Netherese interference.
They seem to be 2 of the biggest players ona global scale at the moment.
one of my biggest questions in 4e was if Telamont is still in charge of Shade, of if Rivalen, who had quite a power boost, might not have taken over by now? |
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Dennis
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Posted - 21 Jan 2011 : 00:57:18
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Originally posted by Firestorm
I don't see Telamont losing to Tam in a straight up spell battle.
Tam was very powerful before the spellplague, but not quite at the level of the Most High. Tam would have no huge problem with most of the princes of shade on the other hand(Except Rivalen, who is likely at least equal to the most high after absorbing some of Mask's divinity). Tam also seems to have gained some levels since the spellplague, so who knows?
Tam still has that mote of power that Bane conferred him during their bargain. So he might stand a chance. However, Telamont is secretive and cunning, and much of what he’s capable of remains yet to be seen…
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I am trying to remember offhand who the most powerful Wizard among the princes was(For some reason i think it was Lemorak). Rivalen is a Theurge, but his Cleric level 15 is higher than his wizardry level 10. Gives him a potent combination of variables, but would mean his magic is not as strong as an archmage(Before his divinity absorb)
Lords of Darkness states: Prince Lamorak Tanthul (NE male shade Wiz19/Sha7). So, yes.
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Both nations can bring significant military might into the equation. My guess is that the biggest reason thay has not annexed Aglarond is Netherese interference.
That and whatever the Simbul placed in her nation that serves as Tam’s deterrent.
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Originally posted by Firestorm
one of my biggest questions in 4e was if Telamont is still in charge of Shade, of if Rivalen, who had quite a power boost, might not have taken over by now?
As I mentioned, Telamont is very secretive and sly. He must have foreseen the possibility that Rivalen would absorb Mask’s divinity, or some of it; otherwise, he would not have sent him and he would have done the task of eliminating Kesson Rel himself. He said he was preoccupied with ‘other matters’ that time---and that’s something that showed that Rivalen’s possible rise to demigod then was insignificant to him, or less important than those ‘other matters,’ whatever they might be. Besides, he was able to bind an archdevil---not just any archdevil, but one that’s second to Asmodeus in power. So if Rivalen becomes belligerent or rises to challenge his supremacy over his growing empire, he’ll have little to no problem in ‘teaching’ him who’s the real boss.
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Firestorm
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Posted - 21 Jan 2011 : 02:20:15
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Originally posted by Firestorm
I don't see Telamont losing to Tam in a straight up spell battle.
Tam was very powerful before the spellplague, but not quite at the level of the Most High. Tam would have no huge problem with most of the princes of shade on the other hand(Except Rivalen, who is likely at least equal to the most high after absorbing some of Mask's divinity). Tam also seems to have gained some levels since the spellplague, so who knows?
Tam still has that mote of power that Bane conferred him during their bargain. So he might stand a chance. However, Telamont is secretive and cunning, and much of what he’s capable of remains yet to be seen…
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Originally posted by Firestorm
I am trying to remember offhand who the most powerful Wizard among the princes was(For some reason i think it was Lemorak). Rivalen is a Theurge, but his Cleric level 15 is higher than his wizardry level 10. Gives him a potent combination of variables, but would mean his magic is not as strong as an archmage(Before his divinity absorb)
Lords of Darkness states: Prince Lamorak Tanthul (NE male shade Wiz19/Sha7). So, yes.
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Originally posted by Firestorm
Both nations can bring significant military might into the equation. My guess is that the biggest reason thay has not annexed Aglarond is Netherese interference.
That and whatever the Simbul placed in her nation that serves as Tam’s deterrent.
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Originally posted by Firestorm
one of my biggest questions in 4e was if Telamont is still in charge of Shade, of if Rivalen, who had quite a power boost, might not have taken over by now?
As I mentioned, Telamont is very secretive and sly. He must have foreseen the possibility that Rivalen would absorb Mask’s divinity, or some of it; otherwise, he would not have sent him and he would have done the task of eliminating Kesson Rel himself. He said he was preoccupied with ‘other matters’ that time---and that’s something that showed that Rivalen’s possible rise to demigod then was insignificant to him, or less important than those ‘other matters,’ whatever they might be. Besides, he was able to bind an archdevil---not just any archdevil, but one that’s second to Asmodeus in power. So if Rivalen becomes belligerent or rises to challenge his supremacy over his growing empire, he’ll have little to no problem in ‘teaching’ him who’s the real boss.
I seem to recall that Tam used all of that power Bane lent him.
As far as him knowing Rivalen was going to absorb the divinity, yes he knew. He in fact wanted it to happen so that Rivalen would be punished in essense because godhood is not what most people think, and is a curse.
However, it is important to remember that Riven, who was no match for Mephistopheles previously absorbed the same amount of that divinity, and literally manhandled Mephisto and a small army of Gulgeons shortly after. Cale, before his death, realized his newfound power made him a match for Mephistopheles.
It is conceivable, that Rivalen, who was already far more powerful than either of them and absorbed the same amount of divinity, is now at least a match for his father. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 21 Jan 2011 : 02:37:40
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I recall Brennus and Telamont's conversation...Brennus said something like Rivalen would be beyond his ability to control once he absorbed Mask's divinity. The Most High simply said it's Rivalen's curse---it might be an indirect acquiescence to his son's assumption, or an act of dismissing it as he deemed it inconsequential. I'd guess the latter.
I also recall that Cale (or Riven) realized that he's match for Mephisto, but admitted that he could NOT defeat the archdevil; that he could only HURT him, and so hurt him badly he did. |
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The Red Walker
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Posted - 21 Jan 2011 : 03:34:55
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I recall Brennus and Telamont's conversation...Brennus said something like Rivalen would be beyond his ability to control once he absorbed Mask's divinity. The Most High simply said it's Rivalen's curse---it might be an indirect acquiescence to his son's assumption, or an act of dismissing it as he deemed it inconsequential. I'd guess the latter.
I also recall that Cale (or Riven) realized that he's match for Mephisto, but admitted that he could NOT defeat the archdevil; that he could only HURT him, and so hurt him badly he did.
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Dennis
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Posted - 21 Jan 2011 : 04:01:47
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I recall Brennus and Telamont's conversation...Brennus said something like Rivalen would be beyond his ability to control once he absorbed Mask's divinity. The Most High simply said it's Rivalen's curse---it might be an indirect acquiescence to his son's assumption, or an act of dismissing it as he deemed it inconsequential. I'd guess the latter.
I also recall that Cale (or Riven) realized that he's match for Mephisto, but admitted that he could NOT defeat the archdevil; that he could only HURT him, and so hurt him badly he did.
I think it was Riven who cut him up good.
I think so. But he admitted he could not kill/destroy him.
I'm really interested in finding out what Telamont has that makes him so confident of his rightful place in Shade, despite Rivalen's considerable growth in power. Surely, he's not yet demented that he'd willingly relinquish his throne. I remember he once said something like, "I am the city," and that no none could rule it as efficiently as he does; and that he would see to it that his reborn Netheril empire is fully established. My theory is he's learned how to anchor some of his powerful spells directly to the Shadow Weave. When he shackled Mephistopheles, he used the magic of his city---because it was sufficient. But if Rivalen, or anyone with great power, tries to challenge him, he'd utilize those potent spells directly anchored to the Shadow Weave. My other theory is that he's created something akin to Vosthym's Weave Tap, acting as his backup source of magic. |
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Firestorm
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Posted - 21 Jan 2011 : 04:58:11
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I recall Brennus and Telamont's conversation...Brennus said something like Rivalen would be beyond his ability to control once he absorbed Mask's divinity. The Most High simply said it's Rivalen's curse---it might be an indirect acquiescence to his son's assumption, or an act of dismissing it as he deemed it inconsequential. I'd guess the latter.
I also recall that Cale (or Riven) realized that he's match for Mephisto, but admitted that he could NOT defeat the archdevil; that he could only HURT him, and so hurt him badly he did.
I think it was Riven who cut him up good.
I think so. But he admitted he could not kill/destroy him.
I'm really interested in finding out what Telamont has that makes him so confident of his rightful place in Shade, despite Rivalen's considerable growth in power. Surely, he's not yet demented that he'd willingly relinquish his throne. I remember he once said something like, "I am the city," and that no none could rule it as efficiently as he does; and that he would see to it that his reborn Netheril empire is fully established. My theory is he's learned how to anchor some of his powerful spells directly to the Shadow Weave. When he shackled Mephistopheles, he used the magic of his city---because it was sufficient. But if Rivalen, or anyone with great power, tries to challenge him, he'd utilize those potent spells directly anchored to the Shadow Weave. My other theory is that he's created something akin to Vosthym's Weave Tap, acting as his backup source of magic.
Well, Brennus did say that if he acted against the Most high's orders and had Rivalen killed via incorrect directions, that the most high would kill him, and the other princes would find out and sides would be taken, the enclave would splinter and the reborn empire would die stillborn.
And yes, what you speak of seems to be simply a spellpool, and it is certain that Telamont has a spellpool at his disposal.
Thus far, I have been having trouble finding the section with one of Larloch's bound liches. That is the problem with having 2 dozen sourcebooks. |
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Posted - 21 Jan 2011 : 05:11:22
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I recall Brennus and Telamont's conversation...Brennus said something like Rivalen would be beyond his ability to control once he absorbed Mask's divinity. The Most High simply said it's Rivalen's curse---it might be an indirect acquiescence to his son's assumption, or an act of dismissing it as he deemed it inconsequential. I'd guess the latter.
I also recall that Cale (or Riven) realized that he's match for Mephisto, but admitted that he could NOT defeat the archdevil; that he could only HURT him, and so hurt him badly he did.
I think it was Riven who cut him up good.
I think so. But he admitted he could not kill/destroy him.
I'm really interested in finding out what Telamont has that makes him so confident of his rightful place in Shade, despite Rivalen's considerable growth in power. Surely, he's not yet demented that he'd willingly relinquish his throne. I remember he once said something like, "I am the city," and that no none could rule it as efficiently as he does; and that he would see to it that his reborn Netheril empire is fully established. My theory is he's learned how to anchor some of his powerful spells directly to the Shadow Weave. When he shackled Mephistopheles, he used the magic of his city---because it was sufficient. But if Rivalen, or anyone with great power, tries to challenge him, he'd utilize those potent spells directly anchored to the Shadow Weave. My other theory is that he's created something akin to Vosthym's Weave Tap, acting as his backup source of magic.
Well, Brennus did say that if he acted against the Most high's orders and had Rivalen killed via incorrect directions, that the most high would kill him, and the other princes would find out and sides would be taken, the enclave would splinter and the reborn empire would die stillborn.
Yes, I remember that. And it makes sense. While Telamont is undoubtedly the most powerful archwizard in the city, he could not hope to do everything necessary for the full establishment of his empire. He needs his sons---and a conflict between them is the least he'd want.
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And yes, what you speak of seems to be simply a spellpool, and it is certain that Telamont has a spellpool at his disposal.
Hopefully, we’ll learn of it in PSK’s next trilogy.
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Thus far, I have been having trouble finding the section with one of Larloch's bound liches. That is the problem with having 2 dozen sourcebooks.
No worries.
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Firestorm
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Posted - 21 Jan 2011 : 05:44:37
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Originally posted by Dennis
I recall Brennus and Telamont's conversation...Brennus said something like Rivalen would be beyond his ability to control once he absorbed Mask's divinity. The Most High simply said it's Rivalen's curse---it might be an indirect acquiescence to his son's assumption, or an act of dismissing it as he deemed it inconsequential. I'd guess the latter.
I also recall that Cale (or Riven) realized that he's match for Mephisto, but admitted that he could NOT defeat the archdevil; that he could only HURT him, and so hurt him badly he did.
I think it was Riven who cut him up good.
I think so. But he admitted he could not kill/destroy him.
I'm really interested in finding out what Telamont has that makes him so confident of his rightful place in Shade, despite Rivalen's considerable growth in power. Surely, he's not yet demented that he'd willingly relinquish his throne. I remember he once said something like, "I am the city," and that no none could rule it as efficiently as he does; and that he would see to it that his reborn Netheril empire is fully established. My theory is he's learned how to anchor some of his powerful spells directly to the Shadow Weave. When he shackled Mephistopheles, he used the magic of his city---because it was sufficient. But if Rivalen, or anyone with great power, tries to challenge him, he'd utilize those potent spells directly anchored to the Shadow Weave. My other theory is that he's created something akin to Vosthym's Weave Tap, acting as his backup source of magic.
Well, Brennus did say that if he acted against the Most high's orders and had Rivalen killed via incorrect directions, that the most high would kill him, and the other princes would find out and sides would be taken, the enclave would splinter and the reborn empire would die stillborn.
Yes, I remember that. And it makes sense. While Telamont is undoubtedly the most powerful archwizard in the city, he could not hope to do everything necessary for the full establishment of his empire. He needs his sons---and a conflict between them is the least he'd want.
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And yes, what you speak of seems to be simply a spellpool, and it is certain that Telamont has a spellpool at his disposal.
Hopefully, we’ll learn of it in PSK’s next trilogy.
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Thus far, I have been having trouble finding the section with one of Larloch's bound liches. That is the problem with having 2 dozen sourcebooks.
No worries.
Found it, and posted it in another thread. just a quick abbreviated version with the meat and potatoes. |
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Dennis
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I seem to recall that Tam used all of that power Bane lent him.
I'm not sure. I have to check it. But even if he did, should he need to, he could make another bargain with Bane. Ask for another boost of strength, while Bane decreases the length of years he could spend in trying to fulfill his ultimate goal---from the original 1000 years to, say, 700. |
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_Jarlaxle_
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Posted - 21 Jan 2011 : 08:54:32
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| Why would Bane want to do this? If Tam dies now he gets his soul even faster. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 21 Jan 2011 : 09:07:58
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| Bane can't be certain if Tam dies in his fight with Telamont. While he can be very sure he'll have Tam's soul SOONER if he grants him a sliver of his power. It's good to gamble, but best to be certain. Hence, the bargain. |
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A Likely Face-off
