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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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 Posted - 14 Oct 2003 : 07:44:07
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No problem peoples  . I am returning to Perth tomorrow, so I'll get a few copies of the file and email them out.
Besides...if I stay here any longer, I may just have to change my name to the Sage of Adelaide, and that just doesn't seem quite right...
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 14 Oct 2003 : 07:51:14
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William of Waterdeep said -
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I am sorry to hear that 3e
is reducing the emphasis on planar cant.
Although what I am about to say really has nothing to do with FR, what William has just said, makes me feel as though I should address this point.
Anyway, with PS3e, the emphasis on planar-cant has been deliberately toned down in order to make the setting more appealing and easier to work into (or rather learn) to the first-time planar gamer. Ironically, one of the best things about the setting (in some opinions from the PS online community) was the fact that the cultural 'cant' set it apart from your regular campaign world. It hasn't been removed entirely - so fans of the planar-cant, don't lose faith - but for those of you who have most of the 2e PS products, the reasoning behind this decision has at least some validity.
I'll post more on this as I learn more and more about the overall changes to the setting, so stay logged in...
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William of Waterdeep
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 14 Oct 2003 : 14:36:54
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Thank you,I feel better Sage.(Burp)Now I really feel better.
No,Really thank you for keeping up with this and relieving our fears.
I don't know how you find the time to do all that you do but I have come to depend on you and like superman you always show up just in time.(Super Sage??) Hehe |
Courage isn't the lack of fear but rather believing in and doing what you know is right even though fear is present.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 15 Oct 2003 : 15:38:53
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Hmm, Sage just said what I was going to say . . . though with him he knows it's fact. I was going to just say that, in my opinion, less planar cant would make learning it much easier. I suck with languages, and I put this sort of thing under that. I don't want to have to keep looking at a translation guide when I'm learning about the campain setting. Now, if it's only in narrative passages (a la Elminster) then that's different. It's in character. But don't have the whole thing in cant.
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Originally posted by Cardinal Deimos
Ok, I know sage is overworked as it is but ummm.... If he could find time to send me the dictionary of Planar-cant then we would really appreciate it.
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The Cardinal
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 15 Oct 2003 : 18:35:18
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Jander Sunstar
Learned Scribe
Turkey
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Posted - 16 Oct 2003 : 00:07:32
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| what is a planar-cant? What is it used for? |
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William of Waterdeep
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 16 Oct 2003 : 00:59:43
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Originally posted by Jander Sunstar
what is a planar-cant? What is it used for?
Well if you happen to be standing on a Planer and someone says jump your on a planer but you are too high and you say I can't.Thats planer cant.
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Courage isn't the lack of fear but rather believing in and doing what you know is right even though fear is present.
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The Cardinal
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 16 Oct 2003 : 06:06:25
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If you really wanna mess with someone's head, use Planar cant in the everyday world. I did a few times, never lost a verbal duel when I was in school  ... |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 16 Oct 2003 : 09:35:33
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Bookwyrm said -
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Now, if it's only in narrative passages (a la Elminster) then that's different. It's in character. But don't have the whole thing in cant.
As far as I know, only introductory paragraphs, and in-character dialogue will make use of planar-cant. Regular background material and rule mechanics will be written as is standard for all D&D campaign setting sourcebooks.
As an example, simply read through the introductions to each of the Factions of PS in the newly released 'Chapter 3' of the PSCS 3e.
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 16 Oct 2003 : 11:37:28
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William of Waterdeep
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 17 Oct 2003 : 00:02:57
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Originally posted by Cardinal Deimos
If you really wanna mess with someone's head, use Planar cant in the everyday world. I did a few times, never lost a verbal duel when I was in school ...
I still have a habit of calling people Berks!!Like If a car suddenly pulls out in front of me,I would say, watch it berk!!!!
I looked berk up in Websters Dictionary,It is :The short,harsh sound characteristically made by a dog.,Hmmm,thats strange.
*Sigh* Lets just vote PS into the FR,they basically had so many ties in 2e that they should have been one. |
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Bookwyrm
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Posted - 17 Oct 2003 : 07:06:12
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| Sounds good to me. I never liked the idea of Faerun being essentially ignorant about the people in the planes. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 17 Oct 2003 : 10:22:54
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William of Waterdeep said -
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Lets just vote PS into the FR,they basically had so many ties in 2e that they should have been one.
In the case of my own FR campaign, the lines between PS and FR are so blurred that it is sometimes very difficult to determine where exactly one setting finishes, and the other setting starts.
In fact that is pretty much the case with all my home TSR/WotC settings (and homebrew worlds) that I run, except the Dragonlance setting. Now that Krynn's own planar cosmology has been established in 3e (and it works quite nicely actually), I don't think it needs to be connected to the overall planar cosmological structure that I (and members of the online PS community) am developing.
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
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Posted - 17 Oct 2003 : 15:29:46
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 You're kidding. You actually think that a campaign world shouldn't be connected to Planescape? |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 18 Oct 2003 : 07:21:42
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Only for the DL 3e cosmology, as it works so well. Besides, with the generalised 3e D&D plane/cosmological structure most...if not all of the changes that have been wrought upon Krynn since the end of the Age of Despair would be near impossible to fit into the D&D plane make-up. The appendix on world creation and deity/plane structure in DoaVM clearly illustrated the 'need' for a different planar structure.
With the way things stand now, the DL cosmology sets the world of Krynn apart from the rest of the standard D&D worlds...as it should be.
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William of Waterdeep
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Posted - 18 Oct 2003 : 07:38:00
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| I know that they have to be seperate but it was the thought that counted.FR has borrowed monsters and everything else from PS and I hate to see it go the way it has. |
Courage isn't the lack of fear but rather believing in and doing what you know is right even though fear is present.
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Arivia
Great Reader
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Posted - 18 Oct 2003 : 07:47:14
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Arivia
Great Reader
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Posted - 18 Oct 2003 : 08:07:35
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| Isn't Ravenloft locked off from most planar connections, however?(Never played in Ravenloft.) |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 18 Oct 2003 : 08:20:02
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Yes, and no. You can get in (sometimes), but you can never leave (most of the time).
In fact, in my planar structure, the demi-plane of Ravenloft was cast out of the Ethereal Plane all together (due largely to Azalin's escape attempt), and now exists on it's own outside of the flow of time, forever disconnected from the planar structure.
Therefore, Azalin can never attempt to escape (neither Vecna), and I have a nice little prison to hold PC's who cross me...
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Arivia
Great Reader
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Posted - 18 Oct 2003 : 08:23:56
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| Don't the mists allow planar travel(in normal Ravenloft)? |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 18 Oct 2003 : 08:32:29
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Not really. The mists allow travel only between the domains of Ravenloft (within the plane) - the different core regions, and outlying lands.
Both the 2e Domains of Dread, and 3e Ravenloft Campaign Setting tomes detail the purposes of the 'mist' pathways fully. I would suggest, purchasing one or the other, especially if you have an interest in gothic horror settings.
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Arivia
Great Reader
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Posted - 18 Oct 2003 : 08:35:35
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| No interest, really. Just asking questions based upon what little knowledge I have of Ravenloft.You're the Sage, you get the stupid questions... |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 18 Oct 2003 : 08:43:37
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| Alaundo really should finish those portals...it would make life here a lot more interesting... |
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William of Waterdeep
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 18 Oct 2003 : 08:51:40
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| Doesn't Ravenloft have something to do with the Plane of Shadow? |
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Arivia
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Posted - 18 Oct 2003 : 08:54:22
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| Ravenloft is called the Demiplane of Shadow in some sources. Beyond that, O Sage? |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 18 Oct 2003 : 09:07:08
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This is due, in part to the confusion of the multi-campaign planar structure of 2e PS. In 2e, Ravenloft was simply called the Demi-Plane of Dread, adrift in the Ethereal Plane, much like the then, Demi-Plane of Shadow, which was itself a separate demi-plane.
In 3e, the Demi-Plane of Shadow was 'promoted' to full plane status and now exists outside of the Ethereal Plane, resting co-terminus with the Prime Material Plane.
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William of Waterdeep
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Posted - 18 Oct 2003 : 09:33:00
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I was just curious,I didn't have any material on Ravenloft but I couldn't understand how it could be the Plane of Shadow.
Thanks for explaining so well. |
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