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Dennis
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 Posted - 28 Sep 2010 : 15:01:34
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It's used several times in various FR novels. Well, it simply means enchanted; derived from the root word sorcerer; so i have no problem with it. Besides, I encountered it many times in non-FR books that I just treat it as a common synonym of enchanted.
There's one word though that kinda throws me off: TORIL. It is a place in my home city that most people sometimes regard with disdain for reasons I'd rather not mention.
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Kno
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 28 Sep 2010 : 22:47:13
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| words that Elminster says, aye, ye, fusk |
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Kno
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 28 Sep 2010 : 23:03:15
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| Elminster's scottish accent, the words ''prosthetics'', ''noble'', ''adventurers'', ''dragon'' and ''chap'' too |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 30 Sep 2010 : 16:31:53
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I second the 'chap.' It reminds me of several things, all not pleasant. |
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Blueblade
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 01 Oct 2010 : 00:21:06
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Elminster has a Scottish accent?
I'm sure that'll be news to Ed Greenwood...and a LOT of Scots folks, too. 
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 01 Oct 2010 : 04:17:25
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Originally posted by Blueblade
Elminster has a Scottish accent?
I'm sure that'll be news to Ed Greenwood...and a LOT of Scots folks, too.
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Indeed. 
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Lily M Green
Learned Scribe
Australia
115 Posts |
Posted - 01 Oct 2010 : 20:18:10
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Originally posted by dennis
I second the 'chap.' It reminds me of several things, all not pleasant.
"chap" really is a very English word and to me gives two - okay, three - distinct images. 1. Me, I use it all the time when referring to a group of people, as in "Are we ready then, chaps?" 2. An English middle class gentleman prior to 1960, as in "Tally Ho, Old Chap." and 3. Uh, well I think you've probably got a fair idea.
I think in the context of the novels it would depend who used the word. Someone aristocratic or a particularly snooty individual might be fine but it is a word that has distinct connotations and from the wrong lips it would sound odd. Like the "bangs" and "ozone" examples before. Both those words for me are either too modern or too region specific to fit with my mental image.
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Richard Lee Byers
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
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Posted - 01 Oct 2010 : 21:03:38
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| I'm not sure about this (it's been too long since I read them), but I believe that in Manly Wade Wellman's stories about the people of the Appalachians, if a character said something like "When I was a chap," it meant, "When I was a little boy." |
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Lily M Green
Learned Scribe
Australia
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Posted - 01 Oct 2010 : 21:54:04
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| Ah! I'd still view that as a definition for a man though rather than a boy, for a boy I'd quantify it with the word "young" as an indicator of age. Lad is more descriptive of youth, to me at any rate. It's that old "potayto, potarto, tomayto, tomarto" thing! :) |
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Richard Lee Byers
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
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Posted - 02 Oct 2010 : 00:03:48
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| In general, if I read "chap," I'd think it referred to a man rather than a boy, also. I was just tossing off the random observation that according to Manly Wade Wellman (who knew whereof he spoke), it meant "boy" in the Appalachian parlance of a certain era. |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 02 Oct 2010 : 01:49:56
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Originally posted by Lily M Green
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Originally posted by dennis
I second the 'chap.' It reminds me of several things, all not pleasant.
"chap" really is a very English word and to me gives two - okay, three - distinct images. 1. Me, I use it all the time when referring to a group of people, as in "Are we ready then, chaps?" 2. An English middle class gentleman prior to 1960, as in "Tally Ho, Old Chap." and 3. Uh, well I think you've probably got a fair idea.
I think in the context of the novels it would depend who used the word. Someone aristocratic or a particularly snooty individual might be fine but it is a word that has distinct connotations and from the wrong lips it would sound odd. Like the "bangs" and "ozone" examples before. Both those words for me are either too modern or too region specific to fit with my mental image.
Just me two'penneth, it's very subjective after all. :)
I've encountered "chap" in several classic novels I read, mostly by British authors. I just happen to associate it to some naughty and some blatantly repulsive things in our native language.
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Kno
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 05 Oct 2010 : 20:10:06
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Originally posted by Blueblade
Elminster has a Scottish accent?
I'm sure that'll be news to Ed Greenwood...and a LOT of Scots folks, too.
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Elminster must have lived with the dwarves for a long time |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 05 Oct 2010 : 21:34:37
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Originally posted by Kno
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Originally posted by Blueblade
Elminster has a Scottish accent?
I'm sure that'll be news to Ed Greenwood...and a LOT of Scots folks, too.
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Elminster must have lived with the dwarves for a long time
With all his nearly endless meanderings, I say why not?!
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Kno
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 06 Oct 2010 : 13:08:57
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| Elminster likes beards, from where do you think d'tarig come from |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
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Posted - 06 Oct 2010 : 15:20:14
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Originally posted by dennis
I've encountered "chap" in several classic novels I read, mostly by British authors. I just happen to associate it to some naughty and some blatantly repulsive things in our native language.
Yeah, darn those cowboys and their chaps. Or wait, did you mean something else?
Oh, and I use teleport, teleportation, etc., pretty freely. I think it's transcended genre into an acceptable fantasy term.
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'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 06 Oct 2010 : 19:12:03
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
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Originally posted by dennis
I've encountered "chap" in several classic novels I read, mostly by British authors. I just happen to associate it to some naughty and some blatantly repulsive things in our native language.
Yeah, darn those cowboys and their chaps. Or wait, did you mean something else?
Cheers
My native language isn't English.
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 08 Mar 2011 : 18:33:03
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| Just finished Whisper of Venom....until reading this I didn't know acne was a realms condition! Seemed a bit out of phase with the story...but not as much as Jhesri's room having a commode...I've not read that one in a realms novel until then! |
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Richard Lee Byers
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
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Posted - 08 Mar 2011 : 19:14:33
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Elfinblade
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 08 Mar 2011 : 22:24:37
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Originally posted by Richard Lee Byers
I assume that where there are human beings, there are acne and elimination.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 08 Mar 2011 : 23:08:53
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I assume that where there are human beings, there are acne and elimination.
I would assume such as well, though I'd expect a different term for acne, at the least.
I wonder if there is a Realms-specific term for that? I'd imagine that teens with bad cases of acne might be called "trollface" or "orcskin", as opposed to the (possibly American-only) word "pizza-face"...
Not saying that I've seen "pizza-face" is a word I've seen in an FR novel, just tossing it out there. I'm not even sure I've seen mention of acne in a Realms novel. |
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DBG
Acolyte
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08 Mar 2011 : 23:33:23
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yes the word LASS bugs me no end. I prefer girl over lass any day of the week (no dirty thoughts please)
I am Scottish and I live in Yorkshire, "Lass" is a fairly common from where I come from. But I get your point. What really bothers me is if the writeup on the back of the book is bland, It just doesn't inspire me to read the book. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 09 Mar 2011 : 00:51:21
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Richard Lee Byers
I assume that where there are human beings, there are acne and elimination.
I would assume such as well, though I'd expect a different term for acne, at the least.
I wonder if there is a Realms-specific term for that? I'd imagine that teens with bad cases of acne might be called "trollface" or "orcskin", as opposed to the (possibly American-only) word "pizza-face"...
Not saying that I've seen "pizza-face" is a word I've seen in an FR novel, just tossing it out there. I'm not even sure I've seen mention of acne in a Realms novel.
I suppose we could use the Realms-equivalent [specifically, Tantras] for pizza -- according to Ed:- "'hot buns' covered with melted cheese (some taverns putting sliced olives or slices of sausage on the cheese so they'll stick, to make their buns distinctive and popular)-face." "Hot Buns-face" does sound kind of strange, though.  |
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Light
Learned Scribe
Australia
233 Posts |
Posted - 09 Mar 2011 : 06:11:22
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| It really annoys me when writers use accents in their books. I mean catti-brie is/was constantly using words like suren, ye, thinkin' etc. |
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DBG
Acolyte
United Kingdom
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Posted - 09 Mar 2011 : 09:01:12
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Originally posted by Light
It really annoys me when writers use accents in their books. I mean catti-brie is/was constantly using words like suren, ye, thinkin' etc.
Surley that just gives the character "Character!" (imo)
I wouldn't expect a young woman brought up by dwarves to speak in the high court style of say Lady Alustrial! or even in the RL style of HRH. |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 09 Mar 2011 : 17:33:59
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Richard Lee Byers
I assume that where there are human beings, there are acne and elimination.
I would assume such as well, though I'd expect a different term for acne, at the least.
I wonder if there is a Realms-specific term for that? I'd imagine that teens with bad cases of acne might be called "trollface" or "orcskin", as opposed to the (possibly American-only) word "pizza-face"...
Not saying that I've seen "pizza-face" is a word I've seen in an FR novel, just tossing it out there. I'm not even sure I've seen mention of acne in a Realms novel.
I suppose we could use the Realms-equivalent [specifically, Tantras] for pizza -- according to Ed:- "'hot buns' covered with melted cheese (some taverns putting sliced olives or slices of sausage on the cheese so they'll stick, to make their buns distinctive and popular)-face." "Hot Buns-face" does sound kind of strange, though.
Maybe...pox scarred ??
And the only reason commode threw me is because I have only ever heard that term used by my late grandfather(who was born in 1907) and to me would only a modern, fully plumbed fixture. |
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Richard Lee Byers
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
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Posted - 09 Mar 2011 : 19:56:18
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With regard to "commode," Dictionary.com offers the following:
com·mode#8194; #8194;
[kuh-mohd] Show IPA
–noun
1.
a low cabinet or similar piece of furniture, often highly ornamental, containing drawers or shelves.
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a stand or cupboard containing a chamber pot or washbasin.
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toilet ( def. 1 ) .
4.
a portable toilet, especially one on a chairlike frame with wheels, as for an invalid.
5.
an elaborate headdress consisting chiefly of a high framework decorated with lace, ribbons, etc., worn perched on top of the hair by women in the late 17th and early 18th centuries.
Origin:
1680–90; < French < Latin commodus convenient, equivalent to com- com- + modus mode1
So I think my use of the word was kosher |
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Tremaine
Seeker
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Posted - 09 Mar 2011 : 19:58:53
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hmm i would have thought it be easy to cure skin diseases in a magical world just toss a few coins to a cleric/temple or wizard to heal/disguise you
I can only remember two realm novels where a character was disabled. one was in maiden of pain and had a limb cut off I think anyway it was a long time ago since i read it but at the end of the book he had recovered it and the other was in Temple hill where the lead character had an arm replaced by a gnome which was cool, but I would have liked to read a Forgotten realm character more like The George RR Martin character Bran stark where he struggles at first to deal with with the loss but then comes to terms with it
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 09 Mar 2011 : 20:56:51
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Originally posted by Tremaine
hmm i would have thought it be easy to cure skin diseases in a magical world just toss a few coins to a cleric/temple or wizard to heal/disguise you
Acne's not really a disease, though... And it can last for years, which would make a spellslinger rather rich if they could take care of it. |
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Christopher_Rowe
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
879 Posts |
Posted - 09 Mar 2011 : 21:08:48
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Originally posted by Tremaine
I can only remember two realm novels where a character was disabled.
There are a pair of characters (twins) in my novel who are mute.
I almost typed that I'm not sure if that means they're disabled--slippery term that.
On this scroll's original topic, it recently threw me out of a certain, ahem, new FR novel as I was reading it the third time somebody rolls something (a dagger, a wand, whatever) "over the back of their hands." <smacks palm against forehead at unwitting repetition> |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 10 Mar 2011 : 00:31:28
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Originally posted by Tremaine
hmm i would have thought it be easy to cure skin diseases in a magical world just toss a few coins to a cleric/temple or wizard to heal/disguise you
I'd say that depends on the temple/clergy. For example, you'd probably find much purchase at a Sunite temple, or under the guidance of Ilmatari. But not so much, I suppose, could be accomplished by the diseased individual at either a temple of Loviatar or Talona. |
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