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Nicolai Withander
Master of Realmslore
Denmark
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 Posted - 04 Jul 2010 : 22:36:11
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Protanther "King of the Ice" was the "King of Justice" before Lareth... What is this tittle and where can I read about it? And who is Lareth?
THX
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Thauramarth
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 04 Jul 2010 : 22:41:27
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My source is the 2E Draconomicon; I have no access to 3E or later sources, so...
The King of Justice is the ruler of all gold dragons in a given area. As of 1357 DR, the King of Justice for Western Faerūn was Lareth, a gold great wyrm. The King of Justice is elected by the gold dragons. |
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Nicolai Withander
Master of Realmslore
Denmark
1093 Posts |
Posted - 04 Jul 2010 : 22:53:14
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| Cool info... thx alot! |
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Nicolai Withander
Master of Realmslore
Denmark
1093 Posts |
Posted - 05 Jul 2010 : 09:29:22
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Another question...
How would one go by the buisness of getting said dragon, to part with one of his items in his hoard? I have thought about giving 3 items for one of his.
A Headband of Intellect +6
A Silver Dagger +4
3 pieces of an artifact my DM has created
And the item I wanted was a Headband of Intellect +12
What do you guys think? |
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Nicolai Withander
Master of Realmslore
Denmark
1093 Posts |
Posted - 05 Jul 2010 : 09:30:10
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Another question...
How would one go by the buisness of getting said dragon, to part with one of his items in his hoard? I have thought about giving 3 items for one of his.
A Headband of Intellect +6
A Silver Dagger +4
3 pieces of an artifact my DM has created
And the item I wanted was a Headband of Intellect +12
What do you guys think? |
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Dracons
Learned Scribe
USA
299 Posts |
Posted - 05 Jul 2010 : 10:21:44
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Lareth is dead. At least according to Dragons of Faerun.
As for if that will work or not, it's all up to the DM. We cannot just say "Yep!" and that mean that your DM is required to say yes. |
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Nicolai Withander
Master of Realmslore
Denmark
1093 Posts |
Posted - 05 Jul 2010 : 10:30:46
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| it was Protather I meant, but ofc I know that you guys cant say yes or no on my DM's behalf, I just wanted to know what you thought! |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 05 Jul 2010 : 15:47:02
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| I think that unless there's a very good reason to do so (and for a good dragon, this means stopping an imminent disaster/war), a dragon isn't going to part with something unique and/or powerful from their hoard. A good dragon might loan something out, but that's about the best I'd expect -- and even that's only for a worthy cause, and with an ironclad guarantee of the items return (perhaps even a geas or a spell that magically whisks the item back to the dragon). |
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Nicolai Withander
Master of Realmslore
Denmark
1093 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jul 2010 : 00:40:35
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That was what I thought... Ad least im guessing that in return the dragon would want something that was equel to market price of the item!
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Dracons
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 06 Jul 2010 : 01:48:08
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| No. They wouldn't want equal. Even good dragons hate given up stuff. They'd want something MORE then what they are given out. Then, when you return their original item, they'd want you to give up even more in return of his item, as a thank you for letting me borrow this. |
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Judd
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 06 Jul 2010 : 02:49:31
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It is an interesting conflict within the dragon, pitting its greed against its yearning for good and justice. That is interesting stuff, the stuff of tales (or y'know, gaming sessions).
If I were DMing a game with that kind of situation, I'd want the dragon to know what these items were going to be used for, context is everything. If these items can go away for a few decades but pay off in justice and goodness before coming back, maybe the dragon could be talked into it. After all, it is nigh-immortal, what are a few years or even a human lifetime to it?
I'd want a relationship forged with the dragon between the player(s) who take the item(s) and even extended to their descendants.
Its more interesting for the dragon to par with the items but with really intense stipulations.
"Yes, you can take the items but I will put a spell on it, allowing me to scry on it wherever it might go. And I may choose one item that you gain in your lifetime."
Its more fun for the players to be bonded with a gold dragon than for the dragon to be a miser and it could be a reward for the dragon having heard of the player characters' just and good acts. |
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Zeffaniah
Acolyte
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Posted - 06 Jul 2010 : 10:43:43
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As Judd replies, it can be a good thing to let the dragon tell the adventurers, that they can borrow it, but that it can scry on it and hence also the party/the one carrying it & that it later wants an item from the person/party later on. First of all, it doesn't "just" make it a single visit to a dragon, but can be used and put into the adventure later on, which is an important part of roleplay. Secondly you can then as a DM have the opportunity to take away an item the party gets later on, that might prove to be too powerful for them and as Judd writes, it makes the dragon capable of following their deeds, whether they are good or bad.
As I understand it though, you are a player in the group and not the DM, but you can try and sell him the idea :) |
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Judd
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 06 Jul 2010 : 13:11:22
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Having just begun to read the gray boxed set from cover to cover I found some rules for subdual damage contests against dragons. It really sounds like rules for wrasslin' dragons.
Pages 15-16 of the DM's Sourcebook of the Realms.
What an odd find, made me immediately think of this thread. |
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Thauramarth
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
732 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jul 2010 : 13:41:12
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Originally posted by Judd
Having just begun to read the gray boxed set from cover to cover I found some rules for subdual damage contests against dragons. It really sounds like rules for wrasslin' dragons.
Pages 15-16 of the DM's Sourcebook of the Realms.
What an odd find, made me immediately think of this thread.
Yeah... Good old subdual damage in 1E. That one never really made sense to me, even in the old days. And it actually features in Azure Bonds, where it was referred to as the "Feint of Honor", I believe, and was subject to ancient formal ritual. Alias used it go get Mist under control, and if I remember correctly (most of my FR novels have been in storage for the last four years, but they are on their way now!), Alias used it to "liberate" Olive Ruskettle from Mist's lair. |
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