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The Red Walker
Great Reader
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 Posted - 03 Jul 2010 : 20:40:20
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ha! I just Jedi mind tricked you back on topic....
You've seen the photos of me dressed as a Sith Lord, right? Thus, Jedi mind tricks don't work. 
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And while I like some 4e differentiation.....the "edition wars" seemed to have calmed of late
The calm before the storm/Spellplague, perhaps? 
I hope it's a calm after the storm! I would hate to see it start again and be worse than it was! |
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"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -
John F. Kennedy, speech in Dublin, Ireland, June 28, 1963
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 03 Jul 2010 : 23:24:24
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Brace, the entire point of this thread was to give 4e a place where it's lore can be 'Spot-lighted'. Are you afraid if such a section were to be created, it would remain empty?
You know, as dead as the WotC boards are now?
Is that the problem - placing it out on its own, it simply can not stand up? I'm starting to really wonder which side you are on here.
Besides, this Poll has evolved, and we ae no longer talking about editions - we are talking about 'eras'. Up 'till now, all lore that has gone before pertained to the setting we were playing. This simply isn't the case anymore. Think what you will, but the 4e setting is a different setting - the designers have said as much, and had gone out of their way to make it so, not only by making drastic and sweeping changes, but also by bad-mouthing 'the old FR" every chance they got. That is a fact - just go through any of those old podcast videos.
Notice the sly, self-satisfied smirk on a certain (untalented) someone's face as they talk about how they obliterated much of Ed Greenwood's work....
But I won't mention any names...
Anyhow, you are getting my blood pressure up again... the point of this was to put stuff that doesn't pertain to most people's games in a place it can call it's own. There is nothing wrong with that. We don't talk about Eberron or Dragonlance lore here (much), but if we did I would expect those topics to get their own sections as well. Why force people to wade through stuff that doesn't interest or pertain to them? That just keeps the bad feelings going forever.
Or is that what you really want? 
Prisons keep gang-members of different gangs in separate cell blocks for a reason - it promotes a more peaceful, constructive environment. In fact, they even separate people by race - something that is technically illegal - yet no-one complains, because it is a necessary thing. Sometimes erecting barriers is the best thing to do to move forward. |
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 04 Jul 2010 : 00:12:32
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Markus tell me that you just didn't equate liking the 4E Realms to being in a different prison gang, so it must be segragated(sp) from the others.
Go on ahead Sage, put the 4E Realms in it's own ghetto...I am done with this community and it's self serving agenda to quash any and all 4E Realms discussions. It happened 2 years ago, and people can't let it go...get a freakin life. It was gonna happen anyways, heck give the almighty paizo enough time and they will reset Golarion. That is what happens to gamesettings, they get reset. sheese.
See you reactionary grognards later...now in lurk mode around here... |
"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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Jakk
Great Reader
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Posted - 04 Jul 2010 : 00:15:22
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 I had a good, long reply here... and lost it. Let me just say instead that I absolutely agree with everything in MT's latest post, with the exception of the necessity of segregation. I think that it's enough to employ clear, descriptive subject lines and/or subject tagging (either edition-based or ToT/SP/etc.) to indicate era and/or "canon ruleset" (the rule set typically associated with the era in question).
Non-rant over. This discussion grows wearisome, so let's end it and start tagging our posts appropriately so that the people who want the lore can find it more easily. I think we can all benefit from that.  |
Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.
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Brace Cormaeril
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 04 Jul 2010 : 00:22:55
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Originally posted by Markustay
Brace, the entire point of this thread was to give 4e a place where it's lore can be 'Spot-lighted'. Are you afraid if such a section were to be created, it would remain empty?
"4e lore" is the lore which has come after the advent of 4e, right? Just want to make sure I'm clear on that.
The problem is that all previous lore is 4e lore. I'm mean, Markustay, you're certain to disagree (illogically), but that is the case. If you asked a resident of Cormyr who the king of Cormyr was in 1357DR, they're gonna tell you Azoun IV. Ad infinitum. If one were willing to recognize an objective standard of retroactive continuity, (in my experience many scribes here refuse to) one would realize that the changes to the setting are not so significant.
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Originally posted by Markustay You know, as dead as the WotC boards are now?
Is that the problem - placing it out on its own, it simply can not stand up? I'm starting to really wonder which side you are on here.
I don't know anything about the WotC boards, how they operate or their current level of traffic. I've never read those boards, and I have no interest in becoming a member.
I'm on the side of Realmslore. I could give two swift ****s about your interpretations. The bottom line is, 4e is scion to ALL REALMSLORE. Nothing that came before was altered* or subtracted* from the setting.
This is a fact.
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Originally posted by Markustay Think what you will, but the 4e setting is a different setting - the designers have said as much, and had gone out of their way to make it so, not only by making drastic and sweeping changes, but also by bad-mouthing 'the old FR" every chance they got. That is a fact - just go through any of those old podcast videos.
I must respectfully disagree with your interpretation of this.
And Mighty Mystra above, I hate real-world comparisons on these boards, but since you chose to talk about the sorry state of US prisons, I'll offer one.
Is the America of today different than the America of 1910?
(Please answer this question before Wooly edits my post)
If you were running a "role-playing game" set in 1910, would it be a different setting than a "role-playing game" set in 2010?
(Please answer this question before Wooly edits my post)
Could these two "role-playing games" have interwoven plots, themes, characters, etc.?
(Once again, if you hear screaming gnomes, answer fast)
*per wiki's definition of Retro-active continuity
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 04 Jul 2010 : 00:28:22
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Originally posted by Brimstone
Markus tell me that you just didn't equate liking the 4E Realms to being in a different prison gang, so it must be segragated(sp) from the others.
Prisons do this so fights don't break out.
Fights don't break-out here a dozen times a week now? A knife in the gut is a knife in the gut, even if its done with words on an online forum.
To say that the 4e Realms is a 'ghetto' just shows your own mindset. I'd like to think it is getting a 'place of honor'. Who's now putting the 4e Realms down? Certainly not me - I truly believe it can stand on its own and weather the test of time (because if it doesn't, then FR is truly doomed).
When 5e comes out, then that should get the spotlight and its own section as well. Its all on how you look at this - instead of thinking you are being made to 'stand in the corner', think of it as a positive place where fans of the 4e lore can really get some good projects going.
You know what towns survived in The North? the ones with WALLS. 
EDIT: Just a quick answer to Brace, who posted after I began typing this post - in any of your examples, did entire continents disappear, and new ones take their place? Different map = different setting, sorry. BTW, I would also consider Dragonlance two seperate settings for exactly the same reason.
And I also tried exactly what some here suggested - I made a post asking for some 4e lore in another area, and received no answers to my questions (probably because those answers don't even exist). Ergo, 'topic headers' won't work, AT ALL, because I've already tested it.
You want 4e to grow and thrive? Give it its own playground where the 'Grognards' won't bother it. You know what eggs don't hatch? The ones that keep getting poked and mistreated! How are fans new to the setting supposed to feel about it, when all they see is bickering? All this is going to do is eventually turn EVERYONE off to the Realms, in any edition/era.
I hold Brimstone as a VERY recent 'case-in-point'. |
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Brace Cormaeril
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 04 Jul 2010 : 00:39:11
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Originally posted by Brimstone
Markus tell me that you just didn't equate liking the 4E Realms to being in a different prison gang, so it must be segragated(sp) from the others.
Go on ahead Sage, put the 4E Realms in it's own ghetto...I am done with this community and it's self serving agenda to quash any and all 4E Realms discussions. It happened 2 years ago, and people can't let it go...get a freakin life. It was gonna happen anyways, heck give the almighty paizo enough time and they will reset Golarion. That is what happens to gamesettings, they get reset. sheese.
See you reactionary grognards later...now in lurk mode around here...
I'm with you, Brimstone. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 04 Jul 2010 : 00:41:42
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You know what, you guys are right.
I'm done. |
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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4e - Lets take a Vote....
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