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Jakk
Great Reader

Canada
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Posted - 03 Jul 2010 :  23:23:27  Show Profile Send Jakk a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

Update:
quote:
by Waldronate at the Cartographer's guild Forums
Way back when (at the time that the FR Interactive Atlas was in development), I got a disk of source material scans that I used to make the maps for the FRIA's globe thingy. In that list was a set of black and white work maps showing land mass outlines, tectonics, glaciation, reefs, and so on. The source map I used for those images has major reef areas marked and they sort of filled in space between the islands in Zakhara in the rough outline I did.

The world map at http://thewertzone.blogspot.com/2009...en-realms.html looks to be from the FRIA globe set (done by an artist at TSR). It has pretty much the same configuration as the map I posted above and also has some very odd straight lines in the rightmost continent that were present on the "Areas of Special Interest" map from the source material set.


It appears those weird lines across Osse are canon.

I thought that was just a glitch, but this guy says they were marked 'areas of interest'.

Hmmmmm.... Massive canal system?

Anyhow, I never thought Zakhara was that Mountainous. Weird.


(in best Red Dwarf "Holly" voice) "Your link's dead, Mark."

From your description, I think I have a copy of this map, tho... downloaded from somewhere found via Google Images search earlier this year.

Interesting to know that about the lines across Osse... I didn't know what to think of them, but canals were the first thing that came to my mind as well.

Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.

If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic.

Edited by - Jakk on 03 Jul 2010 23:24:29
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire

USA
15724 Posts

Posted - 03 Jul 2010 :  23:44:43  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message  Reply with Quote
New Link

I had the same map in the FRIA folder. Kinda small, but you can see some detail.

"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone

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Jakk
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Canada
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Posted - 04 Jul 2010 :  06:00:57  Show Profile Send Jakk a Private Message  Reply with Quote
That's the same map I have... mine is slightly bigger, I think. Those lines across Osse are definitely interesting...

Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.

If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic.
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althen artren
Senior Scribe

USA
780 Posts

Posted - 10 Jul 2010 :  21:02:40  Show Profile Send althen artren a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Just wanted u to know that I am getting out of D&D for good. so
take my name off the credits. for the most part I will be disappearing
out of the keep, maybe will lurk once in a while.
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire

USA
15724 Posts

Posted - 10 Jul 2010 :  21:29:56  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Understand completely AA, but sorry to see you go. I find myself less and less comfortable around here and elsewhere as well. Guess it truly is time for a 'changing of the guard', as it were.

We are all here because we fell in love with Ed's world, which has steered away from his vision; not for any 'nefarious' reasons, but because this is how such things work - all good things....

I have been through it with Greyhawk, and have seen never-ending streams of books ruin novel-settings time & again. Sometimes one needs to know when to simply walk away.

Live long and prosper, Althen Artren.

"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone


Edited by - Markustay on 10 Jul 2010 21:30:42
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althen artren
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USA
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Posted - 10 Jul 2010 :  23:20:21  Show Profile Send althen artren a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Its not for the changes or anything like that, but, its it inhibiting my spiritual
growth and is a point of contention in my marriage. so it time to get out.

My thanks to everyone who made reading stuff so interesting, and to those writings
made worlds like these possible.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 11 Jul 2010 :  06:11:38  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
We're sorry to see you go. You'll always be welcome in these halls.

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Ashe Ravenheart
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USA
3248 Posts

Posted - 11 Jul 2010 :  15:07:57  Show Profile Send Ashe Ravenheart a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Sorry to hear your leaving, but hoping to hear from your again in the future!

I actually DO know everything. I just have a very poor index of my knowledge.

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althen artren
Senior Scribe

USA
780 Posts

Posted - 12 Jul 2010 :  03:20:59  Show Profile Send althen artren a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks u 2, I'm sure Ill keep peeking
in once in a while, u just don't give
up crack on the first time u know.
Beside, there will always be threads that
will need my particular type of derailment
methods.
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louis_bowwow
Acolyte

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Posted - 01 Aug 2010 :  07:53:37  Show Profile  Visit louis_bowwow's Homepage Send louis_bowwow a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Is this project still going? I have enjoyed following it and would hate to see it die.
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Darkmeer
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USA
505 Posts

Posted - 02 Aug 2010 :  04:50:52  Show Profile  Visit Darkmeer's Homepage Send Darkmeer a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Sorry. Computer still broken. I have about half as much as I wanted typed, I'm trying to shoot for the end of August at this point, as I have a wedding, Gen Con, and a few other things to contend with.


/d

"These people are my family, not just friends, and if you want to get to them you gotta go through ME."
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Jakk
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Canada
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Posted - 20 Aug 2010 :  01:11:17  Show Profile Send Jakk a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I'm hoping to get stuff assembled for it as well, now that I have a bit more time to work on it. Today is my first visit to the 'Keep in about a month; has anybody heard from Rob lately?

Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.

If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic.
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Lord Karsus
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USA
3746 Posts

Posted - 13 Oct 2013 :  03:23:23  Show Profile Send Lord Karsus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
-I read through about 75% of this, and just want to say (belatedly?) good work on everyone's part. It's cool to see ideas that were thrown against the wall get developed independently.

(A Tri-Partite Arcanist Who Has Forgotten More Than Most Will Ever Know)

Elves of Faerūn
Vol I- The Elves of Faerūn
Vol. III- Spells of the Elves
Vol. VI- Mechanical Compendium
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Werthead
Learned Scribe

United Kingdom
194 Posts

Posted - 29 Oct 2013 :  02:07:45  Show Profile  Visit Werthead's Homepage Send Werthead a Private Message  Reply with Quote
This project seems to be fairly inactive, but I noticed you'd linked to my blog on the first page, so I thought it polite to stop by, say hi and provide some more info.

quote:
Toril - a blog

The map of Toril associated with said blog


As you guys guessed, that map was taken from the 1999 FORGOTTEN REALMS INTERACTIVE ATLAS by ProFantasy. I'm also a member at Cartographer's Guild, and was surprised by the news that the weird lines on Osse were canon and created by TSR, not anyone at ProFantasy. Unfortunately, legal issues mean that the original 'source materials' provided by TSR for the project - though still intact - remain the property of WotC and can't be shared with fans, which is a bit of a shame.

That got me thinking, as there is a second set of globe maps on the FRIA. This set is more of a political map and was apparently partially assembled from the 1E FR and KARA-TUR maps, and the 2E Maztica and Zakhara stuff. What is interesting is that it shows the placement of mountain ranges on Osse and the other 'new continets' (maybe-Anchorome and Katashaka). I assume this comes from the same team at TSR who did the 'satellite map', so is also canon, or at least was their thinking of canon back in 1999. This map can be seen here:

http://www.aulddragon.com/albums/stuff/lods3a.jpg

That may or may not be of any use. It's difficult to say without knowing under the full context of how the full 'world map' was created at TSR (was Ed Greenwood involved, etc).

Edited by - Werthead on 29 Oct 2013 02:10:00
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire

USA
15724 Posts

Posted - 29 Oct 2013 :  02:31:50  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thank You for stopping by and sharing this information with us.

"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone

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Werthead
Learned Scribe

United Kingdom
194 Posts

Posted - 29 Oct 2013 :  12:35:13  Show Profile  Visit Werthead's Homepage Send Werthead a Private Message  Reply with Quote
From Waldronate (who worked on the FRIA) on the Cartographer's Guild thread:

quote:
I dug into the archives and the disk label actually says "WotC / TSR - FR Overland Scans - CONFIDENTIAL - NOT TO BE DISTRIBUTED". There are a bunch of FR overland maps and 4 1600ishx1000ish images that have a tectonic map, a physical map (caostlines with previously and newly mapped), mountains & reefs, and "Areas of Special Interest" that has a set of alphabetic labels without a key (there's undoubtedly a key, just not on the disk). The date on the files is 3/31/1999, but I expect that's when they were written to the CD.

I have no idea what those straight lines were supposed to be. They were in the "areas of special interest" map.

There were a great many folks that did a lot of good work redrawing those maps for the viewer. I did the little Globe program that came with the product, including piecing together the image maps and drawing the national maps (I screwed up in a few places, too). The pretty map in the intro animation was done by an artist at WotC/TSR. The ugly globe map that is solid colors with what looks like the 1st Ed FR wall map and Maztica maps pasted onto them (because that's what happened) was my fault. If the version with the red lines and greenish hatched areas off the coast made it to production (I don't recall any more), then the notations were from the mountains and reefs map with the asterisks indicating tectonic hotspots.
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Werthead
Learned Scribe

United Kingdom
194 Posts

Posted - 31 Oct 2013 :  13:06:52  Show Profile  Visit Werthead's Homepage Send Werthead a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Confirmation that the mountain range placement on Anchorome, Katashaka and Osse was canon (at the time), coming from artists at TSR who gave the map roughs to ProFantasy (from the CG thread):

quote:
The dark textured lines on that second one are indeed where the mountains (red lines) were marked. I never had time to get other textures splotched around on the blank areas, though. You can still see the round edges of the brushes where I scribbled over the original lines. Note that there are some lines in the upper ice caps where there should be mountains as well.


That may be of interest in future attempts to map those continents.
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