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woodwwad
Learned Scribe
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 Posted - 14 May 2010 : 21:50:56
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Anyone know if there was any realms lore on her after the BGII games? Or any 3.0 or 3.5 updates?
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Elfinblade
Senior Scribe
Norway
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Posted - 15 May 2010 : 00:20:31
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| I believe a large portion of the characters and events featured in the various computer games were non-canon for the most part. I have not read anything about her in any lore books. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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BlackAce
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
358 Posts |
Posted - 15 May 2010 : 04:19:17
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| AFAIK only the novels were considered canon and Viconia wasn't in them. |
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Joran Nobleheart
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 15 May 2010 : 04:49:16
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I always liked her, especially the storyline where you could turn her good. If someone wanted to post a link for her in 3E or Pathfinder somewhere, I wouldn't mind.    |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 15 May 2010 : 04:56:16
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Originally posted by BlackAce
AFAIK only the novels were considered canon and Viconia wasn't in them.
Yep! The novels are canon -- so says WotC and the authors of the novels.
The events of the game, however, aren't referenced in FR canon, as the author, Drew Karpyshyn says, "because of their multiple endings, the BG games can't be considered 'official' in the FR world."
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Sill Alias
Senior Scribe
Kazakhstan
588 Posts |
Posted - 15 May 2010 : 05:13:30
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| If Salvatore will make a meeting of Drizzt and Viconia in one of his books, will it become canon? |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 15 May 2010 : 06:20:31
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Originally posted by Sill Alias
If Salvatore will make a meeting of Drizzt and Viconia in one of his books, will it become canon?
Though it would entirely depend on the context, yes, because that would mean something in a previously non-canon source was referenced in an official canon source -- thus promoting it to canon Realmslore.
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Edited by - The Sage on 15 May 2010 06:21:22 |
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Zireael
Master of Realmslore
Poland
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Posted - 15 May 2010 : 09:06:59
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Originally posted by Sill Alias
If Salvatore will make a meeting of Drizzt and Viconia in one of his books, will it become canon?
Unfortunately, I don't think it would happen...
EDIT: I saw a lot of Viconia's 3.0/3.5 stats, I even did them myself, but I can't find those I think are the best. |
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Zanan
Senior Scribe
Germany
942 Posts |
Posted - 15 May 2010 : 09:25:47
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BARDOBARBAROS
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Greece
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Posted - 15 May 2010 : 19:34:52
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_Jarlaxle_
Senior Scribe
Germany
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Posted - 15 May 2010 : 22:25:24
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Originally posted by The Sage
The events of the game, however, aren't referenced in FR canon, as the author, Drew Karpyshyn says, "because of their multiple endings, the BG games can't be considered 'official' in the FR world."
What?! My unbelivable powerfull sorcerer which I played throuh uncountaqble times with isn't canon? Damn...  |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 16 May 2010 : 01:39:39
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Originally posted by _Jarlaxle_
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Originally posted by The Sage
The events of the game, however, aren't referenced in FR canon, as the author, Drew Karpyshyn says, "because of their multiple endings, the BG games can't be considered 'official' in the FR world."
What?! My unbelivable powerfull sorcerer which I played throuh uncountaqble times with isn't canon? Damn...
Aside from the actual Bhaalspawn aspect, it's somewhat difficult to determine just what can be considered official Realmslore. Though some of the events prior to the endings of the games have been mentioned in official material before. |
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sfdragon
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Posted - 16 May 2010 : 02:09:05
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Originally posted by _Jarlaxle_
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Originally posted by The Sage
The events of the game, however, aren't referenced in FR canon, as the author, Drew Karpyshyn says, "because of their multiple endings, the BG games can't be considered 'official' in the FR world."
What?! My unbelivable powerfull sorcerer which I played throuh uncountaqble times with isn't canon? Damn...
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Penknight
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USA
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 17 May 2010 : 15:30:02
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| Viconia wasn't a canon character but that doesn't mean she might not end up being one eventually, to be used in another story |
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Penknight
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USA
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woodwwad
Learned Scribe
USA
267 Posts |
Posted - 18 May 2010 : 02:18:50
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Originally posted by Penknight
Does anyone remember what her stats were in BG II? I remember them being pretty good, with a low Con score, I think.
Her stats from the BG game
Cleric
Drow
NE
Str 10
Dex 19
Con 8
Int 16
Wis 18
Cha 14 |
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Penknight
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 20 May 2010 : 15:20:10
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| I'm really surprised WotC never came out with a book that compiled all of the stats from characters based in books and video games. It seems like there would be a pretty decent market for it. But then again, they did a lot of the characters in novels through Dragon articles. |
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Zireael
Master of Realmslore
Poland
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Posted - 20 May 2010 : 16:03:03
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I'm really surprised WotC never came out with a book that compiled all of the stats from characters based in books and video games. It seems like there would be a pretty decent market for it. But then again, they did a lot of the characters in novels through Dragon articles.
I agree wholeheartedly. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 21 May 2010 : 01:00:22
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Originally posted by CrennenFaerieBane
I'm really surprised WotC never came out with a book that compiled all of the stats from characters based in books and video games. It seems like there would be a pretty decent market for it. But then again, they did a lot of the characters in novels through Dragon articles.
Not the video games, but they did cover characters in books... Three times. There was FR7 Hall of Heroes, the Heroes' Lorebook, and the Villains' Lorebook. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 21 May 2010 : 01:26:14
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Originally posted by CrennenFaerieBane
I'm really surprised WotC never came out with a book that compiled all of the stats from characters based in books and video games. It seems like there would be a pretty decent market for it. But then again, they did a lot of the characters in novels through Dragon articles.
As Wooly noted above, we have tomes which features stat'd characters from most of the earlier Realms novels.
And the DRAGON-related issues featuring stat'd characters from Realms-based video games only covered a few titles, as I recall. There are sites online however, that have attempted to rectify that with varying degrees of success. [Don't have my links handy at the moment.] |
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Zanan
Senior Scribe
Germany
942 Posts |
Posted - 21 May 2010 : 10:50:14
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Originally posted by woodwwad
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Originally posted by Penknight
Does anyone remember what her stats were in BG II? I remember them being pretty good, with a low Con score, I think.
Her stats from the BG game
Cleric
Drow
NE
Str 10
Dex 19
Con 8
Int 16
Wis 18
Cha 14
Remember that these scores, if you assume they applied the drow modifiers (which I doubt), are those adjusted to AD&D. They would have changed slightly in 3RE, not least if you add class level - adjustments.
Base - Drow adjustments in AD&D:
+2 Dex, -1 Con, +1 Int, -2 Cha
("Max. Scores" Str 18, Dex 20, Con 17, Int 19, Wis 18, Cha 16) |
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Sill Alias
Senior Scribe
Kazakhstan
588 Posts |
Posted - 21 May 2010 : 10:54:00
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| Which editon you look for? They have +2 to charisma +2 to intellect, -2 to the constitution, not counting the right dexterity bonus. |
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Zanan
Senior Scribe
Germany
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Posted - 21 May 2010 : 22:00:45
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Changes from AD&D to 3RE
Str 10 - 0 (10)
Dex 19 - 0 (19)
Con 08 - -1 (7)
Int 16 - +1 (17)
Wis 18 - 0 (18)
Cha 14 - +4 (18)
Assuming that "she spent" those 2 level-based ability points on Con (and not going for maximized Wis), her 3RE scores at level 8 would be ...
Str 10
Dex 19
Con 09
Int 17
Wis 18
Cha 18
Pretty neat and way beyond your average 3RE NPC. |
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