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Nicolai Withander
Master of Realmslore
Denmark
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 Posted - 10 May 2010 : 14:26:49
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I hope you guys can help me out here. I've been trying to boost my leadership score, and in my studies I stumpled across this ogre warlord Sothillis in "Power of Faerūn", pg 42. He's level 17 and has an effective leadership modifier of 52?!? With the feats and all the modifiers I could think of I could only reach 38... Do you guys have any idea how he is able to reach 52?
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
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Posted - 10 May 2010 : 15:22:03
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| Considering that there are modifiers for Great Renown (+2) and Stronghold (+2); it may be that his renown and stronghold are SO good, they have given him a higher modifiers. |
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Nicolai Withander
Master of Realmslore
Denmark
1093 Posts |
Posted - 10 May 2010 : 15:35:25
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| I did apply the bonus from stronghold and great renown, and still only reached 38. I can imagine raising the bonuses from +2 to +4 perhabs, but there is a differnce of 14 between my calculations and the effective leadership mod given in Power of Faerūn. I simply can't see how he can reach 52... |
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Farrel
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 10 May 2010 : 16:12:16
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Well met Nicolai
I had a look at Sothillis this afternoon and noticed that he has the Legendary Leader class at level 5.
I'm not personally familiar with prestige class but it mentions in the Leadership, Influence, and Rank breakdown on the page after his stat block that Sothillis has a commander rating of 7. I would assume that this class and ability has something to do with his high effective leadership score. The Legendary Leader comes from Heroes of Battle, a book I do not possess.
That's just my best guess and it might be nice if someone with more knowledge of this Prestige Class could shed more light on the matter.
I hope this has been of some use?
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Nicolai Withander
Master of Realmslore
Denmark
1093 Posts |
Posted - 10 May 2010 : 16:15:28
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| Even that have been taken into acount. I have read and re-read his character and all notes, and when everything have been added op it still only amass to 38. So either there is a rule I cant find or dont know about, or its simple just a DM/dedigner ruling; though I doubt that. What am I missing? |
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Farrel
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
239 Posts |
Posted - 10 May 2010 : 16:28:49
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That is rather puzzling, maybe it's a typo?
The only other thing that I've noticed is that Sothillis does not have the Epic Leadership feat which would allow him to use the advanced table in PoF (p157) instead of just the basic table in the DMG (p106). |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 10 May 2010 : 16:41:07
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You get a HUGE bonus for worshipping Karsus so he probably worhships Karsus  |
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Nicolai Withander
Master of Realmslore
Denmark
1093 Posts |
Posted - 10 May 2010 : 17:03:27
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| I think not! Any new ideas!? |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
3054 Posts |
Posted - 10 May 2010 : 17:14:17
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| What does Warlord give for Leadership again? |
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Nicolai Withander
Master of Realmslore
Denmark
1093 Posts |
Posted - 10 May 2010 : 18:20:45
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| not sure what you mean by that? |
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HelldoG
Learned Scribe
101 Posts |
Posted - 10 May 2010 : 21:49:33
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| Did you add the +15 Influence modifier? |
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Nicolai Withander
Master of Realmslore
Denmark
1093 Posts |
Posted - 10 May 2010 : 22:28:00
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| Influence? What, how, where? And no I did not? Where can I read about that? |
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Farrel
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 10 May 2010 : 22:39:12
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I didn't think Influence had any effect on a persons Effective Leadership score?
In PoF (p157) it states that it is more to do with social interaction regarding followers within their organisation. |
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Dalor Darden
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 11 May 2010 : 00:05:26
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Perhaps all the ogre's followers are within his organization...mayhaps they read that as giving him a modifier for followers?
52 sounds really high regardless. |
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Edited by - Dalor Darden on 11 May 2010 00:05:46 |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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Posted - 11 May 2010 : 00:29:35
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I'll check my notes when I get home. I think Eric did this chapter and he always provided clear explanations for his draft stats. If WotC editors changed them after the chapter was submitted, I'll let you know.
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HelldoG
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 11 May 2010 : 01:35:37
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Influence Modifier is added to the effective Leadership Score. Page 154 of PoF.
And the NPC's in PoF don't have the Epic Leadership feat but: "...in a slight variant from the core rules, this book assumes that the character's effective Leadership score is unlimited." |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
3054 Posts |
Posted - 11 May 2010 : 12:54:48
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Originally posted by Nicolai Withander
not sure what you mean by that?
Warlord - I think its a Prestige Class that gives a Leadership bonus...correct me if I am wrong. |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 11 May 2010 : 12:56:12
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Originally posted by Alisttair
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Originally posted by Nicolai Withander
not sure what you mean by that?
Warlord - I think its a Prestige Class that gives a Leadership bonus...correct me if I am wrong.
Actually thinking about it now, I might be thinking about the Orc Warlord Prestige Class so I am likely totally off base...but it might be a bonus given by the designer for the Ogre Warlord just to make him look more Bossy!  |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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Posted - 11 May 2010 : 13:20:02
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Okay, I've checked the draft chapter and can tell you the following:
Eric had him with a base Leadership score of 26, not 25: (19 HD) +6 (Cha) +1 (Leader feat, see HoB, page 96) +2 (great renown) -2 (cruelty) = 26.
His commander rating of 7 was boosted from 5 (natural commander ability) for story reasons.
He concluded by giving Sothillis a Leadership score of 38. On the maths, this is correct when you take into account the Scion of the Horned Mage decoration.
Why WotC changed it to 52 is anyone's guess. The correct number based on the stats, is 38.
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 11 May 2010 : 13:41:27
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Originally posted by George Krashos
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Why WotC changed it to 52 is anyone's guess. The correct number based on the stats, is 38.
-- George Krashos
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The Last Guardian
Acolyte
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Posted - 11 May 2010 : 15:08:50
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I looked up the Warlord Pres. class last from Races of Faerun. The class allow the warlord to take the number of followers for any given leadershp score and multiply it by 150% (lvl 2 abiltiy i think)and then later at 200% (lvl 4) but the restriction is that the followers much all be Orc. Hope that sheds some light.
EDIT: Nevermind, taking another look at the post your wanting to know about leaderships scores, not number of followers. >< |
Edited by - The Last Guardian on 11 May 2010 15:21:25 |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 11 May 2010 : 15:54:45
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| It was likely just a random big number tacked on to make him look like a super leader. |
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