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_Jarlaxle_
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Germany
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 Posted - 20 Apr 2010 : 16:57:23
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Everytime when it comes down some to some mighty characters in the realms there are a lot of people who praise him to the heavens.
But if you take a look at the netheril triology he was only a mad mage with the mind of a child. He was very powerfull indeed but there where a lot of other powerfull casters too and besides his fatal Avatar spell there is no indication that was more powerfull than others (when you ignore is own proclamations that he is the greatest). Actually he was losing a war for fun against iolaums encalve while iolaum wasn't even there, so he couldn't have been that great.
So why do people still love him that much?. Is it because of the lack of information from the rule books where he is only mentioned with his avatar spell and their own gloriuos image of him or for something else? Seriously I don't get it ;)
This is not ment as an offense for Karsus fans, I'm just curious :)
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Cleric Generic
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
565 Posts |
Posted - 20 Apr 2010 : 17:22:03
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Cus he so seeexy...
EDIT: *ahem*
Anyway...
I think it's largely because most people know him as the 'Best Mage EVAR' and that he ate the goddess of magic, got horrible indigestion and nearly blew up the planet after briefly becoming a god himself. There's plenty of awesome to be extrapolated from that, and further details of his existence probably aren't that well known beyond the very well read. |
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 20 Apr 2010 : 17:24:05
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Some are attracted to power.
He did something that cause the goddess of Magic limit the power of the Weave.
He did cause a RSE. |
"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 20 Apr 2010 : 18:53:39
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| How can one not worship the single greatest spellcaster in history, who created the ultimate spell that stole the divine power of the goddess of magic herself? That puts him above and beyond any deity even. He is the great and almighty KARSUS for crying out loud!! Bow down before his might. He WILL return to rule the new Ntheril, and in time, all the realms!!! Mwahahahaha!!!! |
Karsite Arcanar (Most Holy Servant of Karsus)
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Cleric Generic
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
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skychrome
Senior Scribe
713 Posts |
Posted - 20 Apr 2010 : 19:39:01
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Help!!! Who let the fanatics out of their cells?  |
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Cleric Generic
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3287 Posts |
Posted - 20 Apr 2010 : 20:07:19
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If MarkusTay was still around he would be quick to remind us that Karsus in a TSR Shoehorn. How Karsus was originally not in the Realms, yadda, yadda, yadda. He used to bust LK's bubble on the WotC Boards with it. |
"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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Cleric Generic
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
2950 Posts |
Posted - 20 Apr 2010 : 22:18:01
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Originally posted by Brimstone
If MarkusTay was still around he would be quick to remind us that Karsus in a TSR Shoehorn. How Karsus was originally not in the Realms, yadda, yadda, yadda. He used to bust LK's bubble on the WotC Boards with it.
I could always step in and say it instead |
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Ashe Ravenheart
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sfdragon
Great Reader
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Posted - 20 Apr 2010 : 23:18:30
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| ALL HAIL LORD KARSUS, His RETURN IS NIGH AND LORD SHADOW WILL QUAKE IN FEAR!!!! |
why is being a wizard like being a drow? both are likely to find a dagger in the back from a rival or one looking to further his own goals, fame and power
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Cleric Generic
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 21 Apr 2010 : 00:29:21
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| Karsus is one of many FR characters whose continued popularity mystifies me. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 21 Apr 2010 : 01:05:53
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Karsus is one of many FR characters whose continued popularity mystifies me.
It probably has to do with his connection to Netheril, and the whole Shade/Shadow dynamic. We know that's popular! |
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Jakk
Great Reader
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Posted - 21 Apr 2010 : 01:08:20
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Karsus is one of many FR characters whose continued popularity mystifies me.
You're not the only one, Wooly... I find Karsus himself just as mystifying as his popularity, however. He clearly flunked out of divination in wizard school... 
The aspects of Karsus that really interest me are all found in the entry on Karse in FR5, The Savage Frontier. The product is also an interesting one; Paul Jaquays is the credited author, but most of the material is from Ed's original notes on the North that didn't make it into FR1 due to the vast detail on Waterdeep that required the tiny typeface in and of itself. Mind you, a fair amount of the material in FR3, Empires of the Sands, and FR6, Dreams of the Red Wizards, was probably Ed's originally as well, and he's not credited as a primary author of either one. I guess it depends on how much was changed in the South and Thay from Ed's original Realms. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 21 Apr 2010 : 05:29:28
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[/quote]It probably has to do with his connection to Netheril, and the whole Shade/Shadow dynamic. We know that's popular!
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I agree... Karsus had been the very representation of the greatness of Netheril. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 21 Apr 2010 : 05:32:39
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Originally posted by dennis
I agree... Karsus had been the very representation of the greatness of Netheril.
Karsus represents many elements of life in Netheril... Few of those elements were positive. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31772 Posts |
Posted - 21 Apr 2010 : 06:01:11
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by dennis
I agree... Karsus had been the very representation of the greatness of Netheril.
Karsus represents many elements of life in Netheril... Few of those elements were positive.
Which is an interesting consideration. After all, while many may, ultimately, see Karsus as "the very representation of the greatness of Netheril," they should also remember, too, that this apparent greatness, eventually, led to his greatest failing -- and all as the so-called representative of the greatness of Netheril.
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Faraer
Great Reader
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Posted - 21 Apr 2010 : 15:05:34
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| He's such a rebel 'cause he's not like other characters in the Realms! He's like a movie star. And so . . . powerful! |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3287 Posts |
Posted - 21 Apr 2010 : 16:09:42
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Originally posted by Jorkens
quote:
Originally posted by Brimstone
If MarkusTay was still around he would be quick to remind us that Karsus in a TSR Shoehorn. How Karsus was originally not in the Realms, yadda, yadda, yadda. He used to bust LK's bubble on the WotC Boards with it.
I could always step in and say it instead
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"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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Noxica
Acolyte
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Posted - 21 Apr 2010 : 17:05:27
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| I think the real accomplishment here is that one of the spell components for the Karsus Avatar spell was the "epidermis of the pituitary gland of a tarrasque", From what I understand, if you can kill a tarrasque your already a deity. |
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Milith holder of HB8
Seeker
USA
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Posted - 21 Apr 2010 : 17:30:24
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Originally posted by Cleric Generic
we need a Lord Karsus theme tune...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jYcW1nEsGk
That...is deeply ironic. |
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Elfinblade
Senior Scribe
Norway
377 Posts |
Posted - 21 Apr 2010 : 22:58:59
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| Karsus smarsus.. Gimme Halaster! |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3287 Posts |
Posted - 21 Apr 2010 : 23:07:53
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Originally posted by Elfinblade
Karsus smarsus.. Gimme Halaster!
Or Larloch!
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"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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_Jarlaxle_
Senior Scribe
Germany
584 Posts |
Posted - 22 Apr 2010 : 11:32:46
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| I would go with the Srinshee too...although she a little bit old ;) |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
3054 Posts |
Posted - 22 Apr 2010 : 13:22:26
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| Villains all of you who defy Karsus' might!!!! |
Karsite Arcanar (Most Holy Servant of Karsus)
Anauria - Survivor State of Netheril as penned by me:
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 23 Apr 2010 : 00:43:44
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Originally posted by Alisttair
Villains all of you who defy Karsus' might!!!!
The might of the guy so short-sighted he killed himself?  |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31772 Posts |
Posted - 23 Apr 2010 : 00:56:24
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote:
Originally posted by Alisttair
Villains all of you who defy Karsus' might!!!!
The might of the guy so short-sighted he killed himself?
"It's not what he did... it's how far he reached." Heh. |
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Edain Shadowstar
Senior Scribe
USA
455 Posts |
Posted - 23 Apr 2010 : 01:00:42
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quote:
Originally posed by the Sage:
"It's not what he did... it's how far he reached." Heh.
I suppose there is something inherently impressive about a guy who makes a grab for ultimate cosmic power and then fails, wiping out his entire civilization, changing the world forever and writing his name in the history books in giant flaming letters. On the down side, being a morality tale kind of sucks, but hey, is that too much a price to pay for immortality?
Probably... |
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Archwizard of Rel Astra and Waterdeep
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