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Zireael
Master of Realmslore
Poland
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 Posted - 13 Apr 2010 : 12:14:59
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To avoid confusion. The following are for 3.5 e. They don't necessarily follow the 4e happenings, although some do.
Not all are canon, too. I'll denote the unofficial ones with U and official with O.
Those who have statlines will have them.
I need any kind of ideas you have. Statlines - AL gender race class level (for 3.5!)
The Return of the Archmages
Vala + Galaeron (U) - CG male half-moon elf Bbn1/Sor9
Keya + Dexon (O) - NG male half-moon elf Bbn1/Ftr10
Takari + Kuhl (O)
The Sellswords
Calihye + Artemis (O in this they were together and it is strongly suspected from RotP) - CN female human Ftr 2/Rog 7/Sha 1
Ilnezhara + Jarlaxle (U)
Evermeet
Amnestria + Elaith (O, the lost prince of Evermeet) - NG male moon elf Rog 3/Sor 6/arcane trickster 3
Arilyn + Danilo (O, based on Reclamation excerpt from Elaine's site)
Maura + Lamruil (U)
elven woman + Elaith (O, Azariah) - CN female moon elf Rog3/Ftr10
Myth Drannor
Aravae Irithyl + Josidiah Starym (U) - NG male sun elf Ary1/Wiz12/Ftr2
Ilsevele + Fflar (U)
Fflar's wife + Fflar (O, Lost Mythal)
The Chosen
Simbul + Elminster (U)
Dove + Florin (O, Azalar Falconhand) - NG male fey-touched Rgr10
Laeral + Khelben (O, Krehlan Arunsun and his sister) - NG human male Ary1/Wiz14; LN human female Sor13
Baldur's Gate
Aerie + Bhaalspawn (O, Quayle)
Viconia + Bhaalspawn (O) - CN male half-drow Clr 13 of Selune/Hie 5
Jaheira + Khalid (U)
Skie + Eldoth (U) - CN female human Rog 3/Brd 4/swashbuckler 5
Dynaheir + Minsc (U)- LG male human half-vampire Bbn1/warmage 10
Aerie + Haer'dalis (U) - NG female shimmerer (sp?) [FF] Brd 1/Sor 11
Deheriana + Kivan (U)
Safana + Coran (U)
Suna Seni + Valygar (O)
lady Irlana + Garrick (U)
Ellesime + Joneleth (U)
Bodhi + Suldanesselar elf (U)
Tamoko + Sarevok (U) - LE human male Ftr4/ninja 9
Brielbara + Coran (O, Namarra) - CG wood half-elf female Sor4/Rgr6 of Erevan/Rog2
someone (Dmitra Flass?) + Edwin (U)
NWN (all U)
Valen Shadowbreath + Nathyrra
Gannayev + Safiya
Bishop + Malin
Others
Tanalasta + Rowan (O, Azoun V) - LG human male Ary2/Ftr6
Ashemmi + Dag Zoreth (O, Cara)
Myrmeen Lhal + Vangerdahast (O)
Ashemmi + Sememmon (O, Ashemmon) - LN male moon half-elf Sor3/Wiz10
Ruha + Lander (U) - CG male human Adp3/Wiz10/Harper mage 1
Varra + Erevis Cale (O, Vasen Cale) - N male human warblade 5/Sor 2
Alea Dahast + Baerauble (O)
Gaerradh + Methrammar Aerasume (U)
Dark elves
Halisstra Melarn + Ryld Argith (U)
Prellyn Teh'Kinrellz + Q'arlynd Melarn (U/O, Faathryll Teh'Kinrellz) - NE female drow Sor4/Clr 8 of Lloth
D'dgttu woman + Krashos Morueme (U) - CE male drow half-blue dragon Sor 7/pactbound adept 5
human slave + Zaknafein (U)
surface elf + Valas (U)
Mez'Barris Armgo + Gromph Baenre (O)
Sinnafain + Tos'un Armgo (O, Teirflin & Doum'wielle)
I'm waiting for your input.
Thanks in advance.
Zireael
EDIT: Updated 24/09/2010.
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Edited by - Zireael on 24 Sep 2010 10:15:26
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Zireael
Master of Realmslore
Poland
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Posted - 17 Apr 2010 : 08:21:25
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| In case I didn't mention it, I really need your input! |
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Jakk
Great Reader
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Posted - 17 Apr 2010 : 15:39:11
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Statting official characters isn't really something I do, largely because I believe that giving the big NPCs stats at all in the first place is what ultimately led to the Spellplague, which I am decidedly not a fan of as written by WotC. That being said, I have a comment and suggestion regarding one of your unofficial entries:
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[i]Originally posted by Zireael
Aravae Irithyl + Josidiah Starym (U) - NG male sun elf Ary1/Wiz12/Ftr2
This one jumped out at me; Aravae Irithyl was murdered while Josidiah Starym was away on his quest for the Warblade as proof of his suitability as a husband to the daughter of the Coronal, so I'm not sure how they would have a child... and if they did have a love child out of wedlock, I'm sure that the child would have been murdered along with his mother. That being said, if you have a way to explain it that takes those possibilities into account, it works; it's your world, just as it is for the rest of us.  |
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Zireael
Master of Realmslore
Poland
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Posted - 21 Apr 2010 : 16:48:23
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Well, my idea was that he was conceived before Josidiah left for that quest, and born later. He was secreted away during Myth Drannor's height, and fought beside his father in Josidiah's last battle. Eltar survived, whereas Josidiah did not.
On that note, thanks for your input, I'm waiting for anyone else to jump up and say his opinion! |
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Zireael
Master of Realmslore
Poland
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Posted - 10 May 2010 : 08:46:47
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| I need your input, o learned scribes of Candlekeep! |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 10 May 2010 : 11:11:58
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Originally posted by Zireael
I need your input, o learned scribes of Candlekeep!
Out of curiosity, what's the objective, here? |
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Zireael
Master of Realmslore
Poland
1190 Posts |
Posted - 10 May 2010 : 12:02:54
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My objective? Have an idea what the next generation after 1374'ish Realms would be. Kids of known Realms heroes... Should they follow in their parents' footsteps or not. Would they take after one of the parents or be a mixture of both. Etc etc...
Your objective? Post any ideas, not necessarily statlines, you would have concerning listed children. Any more Realmsian couples that could sensibly produce children around this time are definitely welcome too!
I hope that explains my little pet project!
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Zireael
Master of Realmslore
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Sill Alias
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Posted - 27 May 2010 : 03:57:54
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No existence of Drizzt - no lore about drow for people. That breaks Artemis pair and makes him some freaking evil monster (possibly).
But the Sarevok... I liked idea of his resurrection and redemption.
Whatever child that would be spawned from Zaknafein in AR most likely would go to surface. He would not have talents of Drizzt, but that would save Zaknafein and he could go with his half-blooded son. |
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Zireael
Master of Realmslore
Poland
1190 Posts |
Posted - 27 May 2010 : 11:43:24
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Originally posted by Sill Alias
No existence of Drizzt - no lore about drow for people. That breaks Artemis pair and makes him some freaking evil monster (possibly).
But the Sarevok... I liked idea of his resurrection and redemption.
Whatever child that would be spawned from Zaknafein in AR most likely would go to surface. He would not have talents of Drizzt, but that would save Zaknafein and he could go with his half-blooded son.
Nice! Anything else to say? |
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Zireael
Master of Realmslore
Poland
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Posted - 07 Jun 2010 : 16:31:13
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I already mentioned the rumor about Calihye being pregnant...
Do you have any ideas? |
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Zireael
Master of Realmslore
Poland
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Zireael
Master of Realmslore
Poland
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Posted - 06 Jul 2010 : 16:42:58
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| No input whatever? Come on, scribes of Candlekeep, you can do better! |
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mensch
Seeker
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Posted - 08 Jul 2010 : 08:50:40
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| I would love to provide some input, but it's a bit unclear to me what you are looking for. Are you searching for bits of lore on the offspring of the couples you posted in your opening entry or just the hypothetical scenarios of the "marriages" and their possible offspring? |
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Zireael
Master of Realmslore
Poland
1190 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jul 2010 : 13:12:03
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Originally posted by mensch
I would love to provide some input, but it's a bit unclear to me what you are looking for. Are you searching for bits of lore on the offspring of the couples you posted in your opening entry or just the hypothetical scenarios of the "marriages" and their possible offspring?
Bit of lore about their offspring (if it's available) but also your hypothesis. Anything really. Any more hypothesis is welcome, too. |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
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Posted - 08 Jul 2010 : 13:30:05
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It's a slippery slope, Zireal. So far, there's barely any information on any canonical descendants, and to theorize on possible children can be wildly off-kilter.
I mean, I could theorize that after Catti-brie's death, Drizzt seeks solace in the arms of Liriel Baenre, and they have a bunch of kids to raise as two-weapon wielding/Lolth-hatin'/Rashemen witches. Which is something that I could drop into a post-Spellplague game for fun. But then, IMO, that takes the story away from the PCs for me to show off my NPCs. |
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mensch
Seeker
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Posted - 08 Jul 2010 : 14:33:41
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I agree what Ashe is saying about the slippery slope thing. It's quite hard to track down famous NPCs in the 4e realms anyway, some of them have just seem to have disappeared. The 1e, 2e and 3e Forgotten Realms seemed much more lore heavy and now WotC is leaving much of the development to the fantasy of the DM and the players. Whether that's a wise move, considering the FR is not a homebrew DM's fantasy (it started as such, way back, of course), is another discussion.
SPOILERS!
I did notice the inclusion of Jaheira and Khalid on your list. I believe Baldur's Gate II established it as canon that Khalid died due to the experiments of Jon Irenicus. The fate of Dynaheir is the same, she's dead at the start of BG II, anyway. Khalid's death is one of Jaheira's motivations for joining the Bhaalspawn to do battle against Irenicus. Also, most of the party NPCs of BG II serve as a romantic interest to the player, I believe.
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Just read that it was your intention to put those matches on the list.  |
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Zireael
Master of Realmslore
Poland
1190 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jul 2010 : 19:11:46
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quote:
Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
It's a slippery slope, Zireal. So far, there's barely any information on any canonical descendants, and to theorize on possible children can be wildly off-kilter.
I mean, I could theorize that after Catti-brie's death, Drizzt seeks solace in the arms of Liriel Baenre, and they have a bunch of kids to raise as two-weapon wielding/Lolth-hatin'/Rashemen witches. Which is something that I could drop into a post-Spellplague game for fun. But then, IMO, that takes the story away from the PCs for me to show off my NPCs.
I don't mind theorizing. And such children could be my PCs in the future. Right now I don't have a PC or even a good gaming session, so I amuse myself with imagining such NPCs... |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
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Posted - 08 Jul 2010 : 19:30:26
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Oh, I agree totally on that point. Just that a lot of scribes around here may not join in due to the nature of the topic.  |
I actually DO know everything. I just have a very poor index of my knowledge.
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Zireael
Master of Realmslore
Poland
1190 Posts |
Posted - 12 Jul 2010 : 15:31:25
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Thanks Ashe.
Still waiting for people's theories. /bolded so that there's no misunderstanding./ |
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Mournblade
Master of Realmslore
USA
1288 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jul 2010 : 19:52:58
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I made a post about how Mystra was saved from assassination. I think it I titled it saving Mystra or something. I posted it today (July 21st)
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Mournblade
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 22 Jul 2010 : 19:58:43
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bump because for somereason there was a mistake with my post
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Diffan
Great Reader
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Posted - 22 Jul 2010 : 20:10:22
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Originally posted by mensch
I did notice the inclusion of Jaheira and Khalid on your list. I believe Baldur's Gate II established it as canon that Khalid died due to the experiments of Jon Irenicus. The fate of Dynaheir is the same, she's dead at the start of BG II, anyway. Khalid's death is one of Jaheira's motivations for joining the Bhaalspawn to do battle against Irenicus. Also, most of the party NPCs of BG II serve as a romantic interest to the player, I believe.
The problem with that is I don't think the games can establish any Canon when there is already a novel source. Which trumps which? In Baldur's Gate book by Philip Athens, Khalid dies from an attacking ooze and is somehow re-animated by the ooze to attack Jaheira and the Bhaalspawn character (can't remember his name ATM).
Dynaheir isn't even mentioned in the second book and Mincs is barely mentioned in either. It wasn't a very good set of novels IMO because it seemed as if Philip either didn't play the game to get the supporting cast's manners (or even class levels right) and decided that they weren't as important as the main story between the main character and Saervok (sp?). Either way, the book was less than 300 pages and i think, if re-done with the actual characters would be a better read by far. |
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Zireael
Master of Realmslore
Poland
1190 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jul 2010 : 12:58:58
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@ Mournblade - isn't it the wrong thread?
@ Diffan - I prefer games to books. And I said 'not all here are canon'.
Besides, this thread is about theorizing, not setting canon or whatnot.
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Zireael
Master of Realmslore
Poland
1190 Posts |
Posted - 13 Aug 2010 : 18:38:15
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| Time has passed, and I'm waiting to see some new theories here! |
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mensch
Seeker
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Posted - 15 Aug 2010 : 23:38:55
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quote:
Originally posted by Diffan
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Originally posted by mensch
I did notice the inclusion of Jaheira and Khalid on your list. I believe Baldur's Gate II established it as canon that Khalid died due to the experiments of Jon Irenicus. The fate of Dynaheir is the same, she's dead at the start of BG II, anyway. Khalid's death is one of Jaheira's motivations for joining the Bhaalspawn to do battle against Irenicus. Also, most of the party NPCs of BG II serve as a romantic interest to the player, I believe.
The problem with that is I don't think the games can establish any Canon when there is already a novel source. Which trumps which? In Baldur's Gate book by Philip Athens, Khalid dies from an attacking ooze and is somehow re-animated by the ooze to attack Jaheira and the Bhaalspawn character (can't remember his name ATM).
Dynaheir isn't even mentioned in the second book and Mincs is barely mentioned in either. It wasn't a very good set of novels IMO because it seemed as if Philip either didn't play the game to get the supporting cast's manners (or even class levels right) and decided that they weren't as important as the main story between the main character and Saervok (sp?). Either way, the book was less than 300 pages and i think, if re-done with the actual characters would be a better read by far.
The Baldur's Gate novels are considered canon, but I read somewhere else on Candlekeep that they aren't particularly well inserted in the existing Forgotten Realms lore. So the way the game treats the FR universe and the characters might even be more preferable than the way the book treats them. Didn't the novels appear after the first game was released? |
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Zireael
Master of Realmslore
Poland
1190 Posts |
Posted - 11 Sep 2010 : 13:33:24
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I'm waiting for ideas/hypothesis.
Some of the characters were statted out in the meantime, I'll update the list after Sunday. |
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Zireael
Master of Realmslore
Poland
1190 Posts |
Posted - 24 Sep 2010 : 10:16:09
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Apologies for double post.
The first post has been updated.
I'm waiting for any ideas.
Zireael |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 24 Sep 2010 : 14:31:45
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In re: a comment above about taking the focus off PCs to show off cool NPC heritages and such, remember that this might provide an excellent source of PC backgrounds. How cool is it to run a PC who is descended from your favorite FR characters?
I run a couple characters in my home game (and write a couple in my novels) who are descendents of my novel characters. It's an awesome continuity.
It might be best to think of it that way--you're building a resource for DMs and players alike by speculating on "how the kids turned out."
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'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
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Zireael
Master of Realmslore
Poland
1190 Posts |
Posted - 24 Sep 2010 : 16:43:30
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quote:
Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
In re: a comment above about taking the focus off PCs to show off cool NPC heritages and such, remember that this might provide an excellent source of PC backgrounds. How cool is it to run a PC who is descended from your favorite FR characters?
I run a couple characters in my home game (and write a couple in my novels) who are descendents of my novel characters. It's an awesome continuity.
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Thank you so much for that comment, Mr. de Bie! Maybe you could shed some light on those characters you run/write? |
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Xysma
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 24 Sep 2010 : 17:25:35
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I was kicking around an idea about Artemis and Calihye's kid, but never got beyond the initial idea of the reason Kimmuriel saved Caolihye was because she was with child. Anyway, I'm making this up as I go, so be gentle.
The reason Kimmuriel came and saved Calihye from that alley and took her back to Menzoberranzan is becasue she was with child. Kimmuriel's end goal was to have someone else to look after Bregan D'aerthe while Jarlaxle was gone, but he sold it to Jarlaxle as "creating" a human face for Bregan D'aerthe to eliminate the need for so many human pawns to manipulate. When he told Jarlaxle his idea to keep the child among Bregan D'arthe, he loved the idea and vowed to kill anyone who would harm the child. Kimmuriel used his psionics to wipe Calihye's memory of the child, then sent her off to continnue being crazy on the surface world. He then trained the child in psionics, and under Jarlaxle's protection, he also learned much from the other members of Bregan D'arthe. Kimmuriel called the boy Bar'Atlam which means "lucky student" in drow. Eventually Kimmuriel set him up as a prominent merchant in Luskan, thus enabling the drow to move more freely there. During this time, Bar'Atla went by a human name, Loundren Deudermont, claiming to be a distant relative of the deceased captain. In time, Loundren solidified support under his banner and became the sole ruler of Luskan. Under his rule Luskan flourished as it never had before.
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