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jornan
Learned Scribe
Canada
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 Posted - 10 Apr 2010 : 04:45:53
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Has anyone else noticed that the covers w/ the FR logos are changing. I don't really like the new look and it irks me especially that it is happening mid-series to some of the novels.
What do you think?
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
2950 Posts |
Posted - 10 Apr 2010 : 09:43:11
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| Are we talking about a recent change or the one done for 3ed.? I never liked the new one; anyone surprised? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3287 Posts |
Posted - 10 Apr 2010 : 19:22:18
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Looks like a Forgotten Realms Logo to me.
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"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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jornan
Learned Scribe
Canada
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Faraer
Great Reader
3308 Posts |
Posted - 10 Apr 2010 : 23:01:48
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| If anything, I was surprised the Realms logo stayed around as long as it did after Wizards' recession-driven official cutback to its 'two core brands' a couple of years ago. |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3287 Posts |
Posted - 11 Apr 2010 : 01:01:52
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I hadn't seen that.
Looks like WotC wants to put more emphasis on Core D&D. (We really need a shrug smilie.) |
"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
Alaundo of Candlekeep |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31773 Posts |
Posted - 11 Apr 2010 : 02:21:11
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Originally posted by jornan
I don't really like the new look and it irks me especially that it is happening mid-series to some of the novels.
What do you think?
Well, it's not like this hasn't happened before. As the original printing of both the "Cormyr" trilogy and "Sembia" series saw similar developments when the old FR logo was replaced with the newer 3e-version midway through the print runs for both lots of books. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31773 Posts |
Posted - 11 Apr 2010 : 02:21:36
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Originally posted by jornan
No, I'm talking about the logo for Book two of the Brotherhood of the Griffon compared to the cover of Book 1. The forgotten realms logo is gone and instead the 4th edition D&D logo is there and in little tiny writing underneath it says "forgotten realms"
look here:
http://www.amazon.com/Whisper-Venom-Brotherhood-Griffon-Book/dp/0786955619/ref=sr_1_14?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1270936069&sr=1-14
Also check out the picture for Book 3 of the Abolethic soverignty.
This is kind of disappointing. Since my well-stocked shelves tend to generally be divided into either series, brand, or genre, I've often stood with a slight sense of pride and accomplishment when looking over my near-complete collection of Realms novels.
Looks like I might need an entirely new shelf. |
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jornan
Learned Scribe
Canada
256 Posts |
Posted - 11 Apr 2010 : 02:53:25
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I too look at my complete set of Realms books on my shelf and admire it...and the logo change mid-series on the Counselors and Kings, Cities, Sembia, etc series bothered me. At least it was still Forgotten Realms. Now its D&D and "Forgotten Realms" doesn't even have a special font anymore and is very small...almost, forgotten.
I've been pretty skeptical about this new post-spellplague era and all the changes, but luckily so far the Ed Greenwood's presents series is redeeming it for me (only midway through book 2). Only time will tell I suppose.
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Dart Ambermoon
Learned Scribe
Germany
253 Posts |
Posted - 11 Apr 2010 : 15:17:57
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In all honesty, and I know many people would tell me things like a logo on a cover donīt matter, but I absolutely hate this development. Loathe it.
Added to that, that my novels are shelved in simimlar fashion to Sageīs, it only irks me even more. This is a rotten move. |
~ In Finder I trust, for danger I lust ~ |
Edited by - Dart Ambermoon on 11 Apr 2010 15:18:44 |
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Brian R. James
Forgotten Realms Game Designer
USA
1098 Posts |
Posted - 11 Apr 2010 : 22:05:48
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| I understand why WotC is doing it, but I'm not happy about it. |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
3054 Posts |
Posted - 12 Apr 2010 : 17:03:50
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I've not liked the covers of FR novels for a long time.
Are you talking about the FR logo or the artwork? |
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Anauria - Survivor State of Netheril as penned by me:
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
3054 Posts |
Posted - 12 Apr 2010 : 17:05:19
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Originally posted by Brian R. James
I understand why WotC is doing it, but I'm not happy about it.
Actually this is one thing I definately don't understand why WotC is doing. I don't see how this is a good thing in any way. I freaking hate the new way to do it (I was mad enough about how it was done with the three FR books for 4E, and now they are doing it to the novels)  |
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Corrupteddragon
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 12 Apr 2010 : 19:49:16
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| I don't mind them changing the logo, but not in the middle of a series. Let that series finish out with a unified look at least. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 13 Apr 2010 : 00:11:21
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Originally posted by Alisttair
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I've not liked the covers of FR novels for a long time.
Are you talking about the FR logo or the artwork?
I always liked the old 2E FR logo -- the one that looked like a stone plaque. As for artwork, there was some nice cover art in 3E, but some of it was downright hideous. I've not paid attention to the 4E novels... And of course, my love of artwork from the 1E/2E timeframe is well-known.  |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31773 Posts |
Posted - 13 Apr 2010 : 02:05:17
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Alisttair
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I've not liked the covers of FR novels for a long time.
Are you talking about the FR logo or the artwork?
I always liked the old 2E FR logo -- the one that looked like a stone plaque. As for artwork, there was some nice cover art in 3E, but some of it was downright hideous. I've not paid attention to the 4E novels... And of course, my love of artwork from the 1E/2E timeframe is well-known.
The 2e logo has the added advantage of being among the most recognised symbols of the "old" Realms. And, also, maybe, being among the first images some of the old folk of the Realms, like myself, remember when picking up their first FR products back in the late 80's. |
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Edited by - The Sage on 13 Apr 2010 02:15:25 |
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jornan
Learned Scribe
Canada
256 Posts |
Posted - 13 Apr 2010 : 02:34:35
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I remember being pretty angry about the logo change from 2nd Ed. to 3rd Ed. Logo. I too was drawn into the series partly because of the old stone chiseled looking logo. Then 3rd edition Parchment one came and I accepted it. Now it's "Times New Roman" black. Why even make it the core setting when what distinguishes the settings is becoming more and more unrecognizable.
I've seen a couple Eberron novels with the same style. At a glance, a forgotten realms novel and an eberron one look to be from the same series. |
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Faraer
Great Reader
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Posted - 15 Apr 2010 : 00:40:09
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| I wasn't fond of Realms logo 2 because it was based on a voguish store-bought font (Mason Serif), rather than an original design. I did like that it was used in a more discreet size, not outweighing authors' names. Its demise is of a piece with the rest of what befell in 2008, which in a sense had been pending since Wizards' original finding that the diversification of settings had contributed to TSR's end. |
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
2950 Posts |
Posted - 15 Apr 2010 : 10:07:27
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| Just an interesting side note. I just started reading Dungeon nr 7, published in '87. On the back cover there is an add for the soon to be published Realms, and an image of the Parkinson picture used for the first Moonshae cover. The interesting thing is the topmost part of the picture; it contains a different logo that looks like a mix of the logo used for 1st and 2nd edition and the one they went with muxh later for the 3ed. The shape of the logo and the writing is the same as the published logo, but the colours are more or less as the newer logo. |
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wwwwwww
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 15 Apr 2010 : 15:08:35
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Are they trying to kill off FR entirely? I guess they pretty much already have with 4E, so I suppose it makes sense. Geez, nothing like having "Dungeons And Dragons" plastered across the top of the novel . . . that's sure to bring in new fantasy readers . . .
It astounds me that any long time FR fans still buy any 4E products. Wizards has damanged the setting beyond repair . . . and now they're (not-so-subtly) fading out the actual name of the setting. How long will it be before they remove the "Forgotten Realms" completely? Just awful. |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
3054 Posts |
Posted - 05 May 2010 : 17:08:07
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| I have purchased two new realms novels with the new cover format. Sucks but on the bright side, the side of the book still has the FR logo on it, so a regularly stocked bookshelf will not lose the FR logo (unless it is stocked showing the covers instead). |
Karsite Arcanar (Most Holy Servant of Karsus)
Anauria - Survivor State of Netheril as penned by me:
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3287 Posts |
Posted - 05 May 2010 : 20:28:03
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Originally posted by Alisttair
I have purchased two new realms novels with the new cover format. Sucks but on the bright side, the side of the book still has the FR logo on it, so a regularly stocked bookshelf will not lose the FR logo (unless it is stocked showing the covers instead).
Thats right Circle of Skulls, and Brotherhood of the Griffon came out today.
Guess I will get them tomorrow. More Realmslore to read...sigh... |
"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
Alaundo of Candlekeep |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31773 Posts |
Posted - 06 May 2010 : 01:30:42
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Originally posted by Brimstone
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Originally posted by Alisttair
I have purchased two new realms novels with the new cover format. Sucks but on the bright side, the side of the book still has the FR logo on it, so a regularly stocked bookshelf will not lose the FR logo (unless it is stocked showing the covers instead).
Thats right Circle of Skulls, and Brotherhood of the Griffon came out today.
Whoa. I actually received my copies *before* their release in the US? That has to be a first.  |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
3054 Posts |
Posted - 06 May 2010 : 13:36:29
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Brimstone
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Originally posted by Alisttair
I have purchased two new realms novels with the new cover format. Sucks but on the bright side, the side of the book still has the FR logo on it, so a regularly stocked bookshelf will not lose the FR logo (unless it is stocked showing the covers instead).
Thats right Circle of Skulls, and Brotherhood of the Griffon came out today.
Whoa. I actually received my copies *before* their release in the US? That has to be a first.
Can't tell you when Chapters got them here in Canada, I only happened to stop by there on Monday and they were there (and thus quickly snatched by yours truly). |
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Anauria - Survivor State of Netheril as penned by me:
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Caolin
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 07 May 2010 : 01:34:54
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| As long as they keep printing good Realms stories and get away from bashing our heads with "this is 4th Edition Realms look at all the new changes we made". If they do those two things they can wrap the books in paper bags, I would still buy them. |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
3054 Posts |
Posted - 07 May 2010 : 12:52:25
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Originally posted by Caolin
As long as they keep printing good Realms stories and get away from bashing our heads with "this is 4th Edition Realms look at all the new changes we made". If they do those two things they can wrap the books in paper bags, I would still buy them.
May as well do that since it will all be exclusively digital one day I fear  |
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Anauria - Survivor State of Netheril as penned by me:
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 07 May 2010 : 13:36:12
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Originally posted by Alisttair
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Originally posted by Caolin
As long as they keep printing good Realms stories and get away from bashing our heads with "this is 4th Edition Realms look at all the new changes we made". If they do those two things they can wrap the books in paper bags, I would still buy them.
May as well do that since it will all be exclusively digital one day I fear
 This, I am sick of.
No matter the technological advances we may come by, there will NEVER be an 'exclusively digital' publishing age. There will always be someone that wants a physical copy, even if it means ordering a copy up on your Star Trek replicator. |
I actually DO know everything. I just have a very poor index of my knowledge.
Ashe's Character Sheet
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
3054 Posts |
Posted - 07 May 2010 : 15:55:01
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Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
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Originally posted by Alisttair
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Originally posted by Caolin
As long as they keep printing good Realms stories and get away from bashing our heads with "this is 4th Edition Realms look at all the new changes we made". If they do those two things they can wrap the books in paper bags, I would still buy them.
May as well do that since it will all be exclusively digital one day I fear
This, I am sick of.
No matter the technological advances we may come by, there will NEVER be an 'exclusively digital' publishing age. There will always be someone that wants a physical copy, even if it means ordering a copy up on your Star Trek replicator.
Well I hope it never comes to that. As an option it's fantastic. Personally I'm part of the group that not only wants, but NEEDS the physical copy. It's just not the same without it (plus no worries of the battery dying in the book since it requires none) |
Karsite Arcanar (Most Holy Servant of Karsus)
Anauria - Survivor State of Netheril as penned by me:
http://www.dmsguild.com/m/product/172023 |
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
2950 Posts |
Posted - 07 May 2010 : 16:41:09
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| There is a reason I hoard as many books and as much vinyl as I can at the moment. When they finally decide that we "should" all enter the digital age whether we ant to or not I'll be ready. At least were books are concerned I should soon be sett for life. Now, if I could just get my hands on the couple of hundred records I still want to get my hands on... |
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