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Jorkens
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Posted - 26 Mar 2010 :  10:56:07  Show Profile Send Jorkens a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
Jeff Grubb just added a great post at his blogg about his early work on the Realms and the early days of the setting. Much of it has been mentioned in one form or another earlier, but worth a look for anyone interested.

I do think though, that Fonzie would have been a better adition to the Realms than Drizzt

PS. My computer skills are those of a rodent (other than hamster), could someone post a link maybe?

Brimstone
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Posted - 26 Mar 2010 :  13:04:22  Show Profile Send Brimstone a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Good stuff.

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Alisttair
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Posted - 26 Mar 2010 :  16:00:10  Show Profile  Visit Alisttair's Homepage Send Alisttair a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Yes very good. Thanks for sharing this. I learned some things I didn't know before (such as the real history behind Tyche lol)

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skychrome
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Posted - 26 Mar 2010 :  18:46:36  Show Profile  Visit skychrome's Homepage Send skychrome a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Loved that one! Give us more! Interesting how Waukeen was born.

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Jorkens
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Posted - 27 Mar 2010 :  09:09:04  Show Profile Send Jorkens a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Alisttair

Yes very good. Thanks for sharing this. I learned some things I didn't know before (such as the real history behind Tyche lol)



An indication of the late date of the change is the mentioning of the temple of Tyche in Shadowdale, on a map found in the Grey Box. If my memories isn't playing a really cruel trick on me that is.
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Elfinblade
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Posted - 27 Mar 2010 :  12:07:06  Show Profile Send Elfinblade a Private Message  Reply with Quote
An entertaining and informative read indeed!
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Blueblade
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Posted - 27 Mar 2010 :  15:16:32  Show Profile  Visit Blueblade's Homepage Send Blueblade a Private Message  Reply with Quote
One little correction to what Mr Grubb posted: I've seen photocopies of Ed's original turnover "master map" of the Realms, at a GenCon seminar. They were in the keeping of, and were shown by, a female TSR editor (Karen Boomgaarden, I think, though someone else who was there says my memory is faulty, and it was Julia Martin).
There were fifty-six 8.5" x 11" sheets.
The probable reason Mr. Grubb remembers "24" is that 24 of those 56 sheets cover the same area that the up-close colour maps included in the Old Grey Box cover (the rest of the geography got covered in later products, or - - like Lantan - - never, properly).
Great post, though!
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Faraer
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Posted - 27 Mar 2010 :  16:38:37  Show Profile  Visit Faraer's Homepage Send Faraer a Private Message  Reply with Quote
2) And Glorantha.

13) Unlike James M., I don't mind the term 'festhall' because they aren't all the one-purpose knocking shops 'brothel' can convey.

15) Thank you for Waukeen, Jeff.

16) 'Tyche' also appears in the original Spellfire.
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Jorkens
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Posted - 29 Mar 2010 :  10:32:18  Show Profile Send Jorkens a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Faraer


16) 'Tyche' also appears in the original Spellfire.



Now how did I miss that I wonder, unless it was just in the first printing of the book? You don't remember approximately where it was do you?
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Cleric Generic
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Posted - 29 Mar 2010 :  12:44:56  Show Profile  Visit Cleric Generic's Homepage Send Cleric Generic a Private Message  Reply with Quote
26) hahaha! I demand Zeppelins!

Good stuff. I knew the Realms had been around for a while in some fashion or other, but I didn't know it pre-dated DnD.

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Faraer
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Posted - 29 Mar 2010 :  15:19:57  Show Profile  Visit Faraer's Homepage Send Faraer a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Jorkens
Now how did I miss that I wonder, unless it was just in the first printing of the book? You don't remember approximately where it was do you?

Suddenly I'm not sure about it -- may possibly be mixing up with a line in The Temptation of Elminster.
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Dart Ambermoon
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Posted - 02 Apr 2010 :  13:22:55  Show Profile  Visit Dart Ambermoon's Homepage Send Dart Ambermoon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Great litle gems there.

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Steven Schend
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Posted - 02 Apr 2010 :  15:53:46  Show Profile  Visit Steven Schend's Homepage Send Steven Schend a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Blueblade

One little correction to what Mr Grubb posted: I've seen photocopies of Ed's original turnover "master map" of the Realms, at a GenCon seminar. They were in the keeping of, and were shown by, a female TSR editor (Karen Boomgaarden, I think, though someone else who was there says my memory is faulty, and it was Julia Martin).



Karen did truly have it originally (as the editor of the Grey Box & eventual product group leader); when she left TSR, she bequeathed it to Julia Martin, who I believe may have it still. I know I jealously guarded and kept all of Ed's original maps (or copies thereof) because not everything would make it onto final production maps. I actually used a few of those maps when writing BLACKSTAFF TOWER to detail the subterranean areas in which my heroes ventured.

steven
who is still amazed to this day as to how much Ed does in the Realms that doesn't quite make it into publication...

PS: Jeff Grubb's blog is worth bookmarking and reading regularly, trust me.

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Elfinblade
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Posted - 05 Apr 2010 :  22:05:53  Show Profile Send Elfinblade a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
PS: Jeff Grubb's blog is worth bookmarking and reading regularly, trust me.


Done and done :)
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Alisttair
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Posted - 07 Apr 2010 :  12:59:12  Show Profile  Visit Alisttair's Homepage Send Alisttair a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Steven Schend I actually used a few of those maps when writing BLACKSTAFF TOWER to detail the subterranean areas in which my heroes ventured.


Now that's what I call dedication

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froglegg
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Posted - 08 Apr 2010 :  20:13:35  Show Profile Send froglegg a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Yes it was a nice read, I enjoyed it.

John

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Jorkens
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Posted - 10 Apr 2010 :  09:33:56  Show Profile Send Jorkens a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Faraer

16) 'Tyche' also appears in the original Spellfire.



I actually found another one today. Page 107 of the Hall of Heroes book. And that came out in'89.
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