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Originally posted by Razz

Why aren't any of the phrases in "Elminster's Forgotten Realms" listed here?

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Down the centuries, in all Faerfmian societies, there has been tension between the nobility and those who aspire to such status-to say nothing of the tension between the wealthy and the hard-working, middle-classor-lower guilded merchants, shopkeepers, and crafters (craft workers). There are many terms used to describe the wealthy who lack titles or have only recently acquired them.

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Originally posted by neutrondecay

Is there a listing anywhere of high noble titles from different races and cultures? I'm particularly interested in demihumans. I know that elves have 'coronal' for a great king or emperor, and 'laranlor' for a lesser king, and some dwarven kings are styled 'arcrown'. There was also mention (by Eric L Boyd, I think) of a 'kulduke' among the royal family of Ammarindar before its fall. And the halfling realm of Meiritin was ruled by a margrave, which is of course a RL human title. Does anyone know of any other noble titles - anything from a knight or baron up to an emperor - for elves, dwarves, gnomes or halflings? (Leaving out the knights and heads of orders specific to Cormanthyr, which I'm already aware of.)

Many thanks,

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As far as I can recall, re. A Gavel's query: Steven wrote almost all of it (using Ed's very brief overall outline of the character of Amn and Tethyr, the Council of Six, and so on), and Ed was his weekly consultant (cheerleader). But I'll let the two gentlemen who know the truth speak.

And now, Ed replies to a request from Lore Lord of the Realms George Krashos, for “names/titles for the various races in respect of rulers of places/kingdoms etc.” as follows:



Ah, a deliciously useful question, George. Not as delicious as my Lady Hooded, but . . . ahem, being happily married to a lady (who plays D&D in the Realms on rare occasions), I really wouldn’t know anything about that, and must be relying entirely on my overly vivid imagination. Yes, that’s it! ;}
To answer this properly would take a long time and much space, but here’s a quick and incomplete summary that largely ignores local idiosyncrasies, etymologies, and suchlike (and leaves out religious ranks and offices entirely):


ELVES (additional to Coronal, etc.):
[[The following terms aren’t used in every elven realm or community.]]
The mayor or ‘chief of police and defense’ of a community is a DESMRAR (DESMRIL if female) (“DEZZ-mrar” or “DEZZ-mrill”)
A far-traveled, experienced elf who knows or remembers a lot, and can impart it (humans might use the term ‘sage,’ but that often implies book-learning and deduction, whereas the elves mean someone who’s seen with their own eyes, and only augments their own experience with what they’ve learned from others) is often, regardless of gender, called an ALANTAR (“Al-LAN-tar”)
A war leader (unit commander) or mission leader is sometimes called a TELEGAUNT (“TELL-eh-gont”), regardless of gender, but this term is usually used only if the individual is a veteran of proven merit
A SHEE (in some places, “SHREE”) was a wise female elder, strong in magic (in some cases, High Magic specifically; this is a corruption of the very old Elven word VELARSHEE) (“Ssh-EE” or “Shh-REE”)
Finally, IYILITAR (“ILL-i-tar”) was a unigender equivalent to Coronal in elder days, but is nigh-forgotten today


DWARVES:
The hereditary ruler of a kingdom, regardless of gender, is an ARCORM (long ago corrupted into “Arcrown,” a form used by some dwarves today: ARCROWN) (“ARR-corrum” or “AR-crown”)
A clan-chief, regardless of gender (most clans elect chiefs, from a limited number of candidates determined by blood descent, some clans excluding or preferring individuals on gender or gender-descent grounds), is a HARAXLORL (corrupted into “Axelord,” the usual form used by dwarves today: AXELORD) (“Har-AX-lore-ull” or “AX-lord”)
An elder or senior officer of a community, clan, or family is a TULVADE (“Tull-VAY-dd”), regardless of gender; this term originally meant ‘old veteran of wars,’ and dwarven writings should be examined with that in mind
A war-leader was of old called an IRAUNLOR in some realms and clans (this being a unigender title that could be held in addition to other titles), but this was long ago corrupted into “Iron Lord,” and this latter form is the only one used by [some] dwarves today: IRON LORD) (“EYE-rawn-lorr” or “EYE-urn Lord”)


GNOMES:
The hereditary ruler of a kingdom is a DARANDAR (MARANDAR if female, and unlike most other races, most gnomes value female descent slightly more favourably than male descent ) (“Dar-AND-ar” or “Mar-AND-ar”)
A chosen, elected, or co-ruler (as part of a council or DARTH-DEIR [ = ruling circle]) is a DARRATH (“DAR-rath”)
A clan or family head is a STURTH (this refers to spokesgnome and daily move-and-shaker, not “the oldest gnome of the blood;” many old females decide which slightly younger male or female is going to be their Sturth) (“Ss-TURTH”)
A mayor or community head is a DOAMEN (“DOE-men”)
An elder or any officer of a community is an URSTDOH (“URR-st-doe”)
All of the above terms are gender-neutral, though they tend to be held by males (except for “elders,” wherein the politically active elders and officers tend to be more male than female, with the females concentrating on being ‘wise old crones,’ mothering individuals who come to them for advice, loans, or medicines)


HALFLINGS:
The hereditary ruler of a kingdom is a KLAEL (“CLAY-ull”), a term little used today, except in the Border Kingdoms (where the proud hin bearing it rule a realm rarely larger than a farm)
A chosen, elected, or co-ruler (as part of a governing council) is an ARBAERN (“Arr-BARE-unn”), sometimes mistakenly called “Har-baron” by humans, and in a few cases the halflings don’t bother to correct this, and even start using it themselves)
A clan or family head is an AULDOAN (“Awld-OH-nn”), corrupted in some human records to “Old Stone”) and Auldoans are usually affectionately known by hin as “The Old,” as a prefix, so the head of Clan Minstrelwish will be referred to, even to his face, as “The Old Minstrelwish”
A mayor or community head is a VORN (“VOARR-en”)
An elder or any officer of a community is a HORUL (“HOAR-ull”)
All of the above terms are gender-neutral, though they tend to be held by males (except for “elders,” wherein the politically active elders and officers tend to be more female than male, with the males concentrating on being ‘wise old gaffers’ gruffly dispensing often-unlooked-for advice or physical assistance)


HUMANS:
Use a huge and everchanging list of titles, far too long to explore here, but I’ll give just a few “ruler and nobility” titles. All are gender-neutral unless otherwise noted:

Chessenta:
Sceptanar (wizard-king; officially he rules all, though in practise the city-states do as they please), with noble ranks as follows:
Nornar (duke, city ruler: various city lords craft their own fanciful titles, such as Melarch, Tarlarch, and Yoevyarkh)
Marquar (marquis)
Klelandar (viscount)
Thardoun (earl)
Deltharkh (baron)
Corlar (knight, baronet)

(The above titles are echoed [minor variations] in Tashluta and in various places in the Border Kingdoms and around the Vilhon)


Mulmaster (and many small independent realms and city-states around the Sea of Fallen Stars and points north [recent maps have ‘tidied up’ many tiny realms by simply omitting mention of them]:
High Blade (ruler)
Blades (nobles, sometimes differentiated by colors [e.g Blue Blade, Black Blade] or honorifics [Drawn Blade, Vigilant Blade), and almost always styled “of” a place, thus: Tharcel Marlmantle, Blue Blade of Port Malivar


Veldorn: the monster-ruled cities employ a huge variety of fanciful titles, but also echo an old hierarchy of ancient human realms of the South, remnants of which can be found in hundreds of towns and villages south of the Shaar and east of Chult, especially to the east of the area shown on most published maps thus far:

Ormelarch (king or realm ruler) (“OAR-mel-ark”), almost always styled “The Ormelarch”
Voivarr (duke or city ruler) (“VOY-varr”)
Nahloud (marquis or army commander/castle-lord) (“Nah-LOOD”)
Dauncelpad (viscount or envoy and negotiator of king) (“DON-sell-pad”) [Dauncelpara or Dauncelara if female]
Skorn (earl or territory ruler) [Skornra if female]
Ultarkh (town ruler, keep-ruler, regional forces commander) (“ULL-tark”)
Lancelar (knight, baronet)



So saith Ed. Who hinted that he’d have said more if there wasn’t yet another NDA looming up to meet him. Regarding his opening comments: Ah, yes, the old cinammon on the nipples trick lures ’em, every time.
love to all,
THO

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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

We have some stuff from Ed's pen, from our own pages here...

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As far as I can recall, re. A Gavel's query: Steven wrote almost all of it (using Ed's very brief overall outline of the character of Amn and Tethyr, the Council of Six, and so on), and Ed was his weekly consultant (cheerleader). But I'll let the two gentlemen who know the truth speak.

And now, Ed replies to a request from Lore Lord of the Realms George Krashos, for “names/titles for the various races in respect of rulers of places/kingdoms etc.” as follows:



Ah, a deliciously useful question, George. Not as delicious as my Lady Hooded, but . . . ahem, being happily married to a lady (who plays D&D in the Realms on rare occasions), I really wouldn’t know anything about that, and must be relying entirely on my overly vivid imagination. Yes, that’s it! ;}
To answer this properly would take a long time and much space, but here’s a quick and incomplete summary that largely ignores local idiosyncrasies, etymologies, and suchlike (and leaves out religious ranks and offices entirely):


ELVES (additional to Coronal, etc.):
[[The following terms aren’t used in every elven realm or community.]]
The mayor or ‘chief of police and defense’ of a community is a DESMRAR (DESMRIL if female) (“DEZZ-mrar” or “DEZZ-mrill”)
A far-traveled, experienced elf who knows or remembers a lot, and can impart it (humans might use the term ‘sage,’ but that often implies book-learning and deduction, whereas the elves mean someone who’s seen with their own eyes, and only augments their own experience with what they’ve learned from others) is often, regardless of gender, called an ALANTAR (“Al-LAN-tar”)
A war leader (unit commander) or mission leader is sometimes called a TELEGAUNT (“TELL-eh-gont”), regardless of gender, but this term is usually used only if the individual is a veteran of proven merit
A SHEE (in some places, “SHREE”) was a wise female elder, strong in magic (in some cases, High Magic specifically; this is a corruption of the very old Elven word VELARSHEE) (“Ssh-EE” or “Shh-REE”)
Finally, IYILITAR (“ILL-i-tar”) was a unigender equivalent to Coronal in elder days, but is nigh-forgotten today


DWARVES:
The hereditary ruler of a kingdom, regardless of gender, is an ARCORM (long ago corrupted into “Arcrown,” a form used by some dwarves today: ARCROWN) (“ARR-corrum” or “AR-crown”)
A clan-chief, regardless of gender (most clans elect chiefs, from a limited number of candidates determined by blood descent, some clans excluding or preferring individuals on gender or gender-descent grounds), is a HARAXLORL (corrupted into “Axelord,” the usual form used by dwarves today: AXELORD) (“Har-AX-lore-ull” or “AX-lord”)
An elder or senior officer of a community, clan, or family is a TULVADE (“Tull-VAY-dd”), regardless of gender; this term originally meant ‘old veteran of wars,’ and dwarven writings should be examined with that in mind
A war-leader was of old called an IRAUNLOR in some realms and clans (this being a unigender title that could be held in addition to other titles), but this was long ago corrupted into “Iron Lord,” and this latter form is the only one used by [some] dwarves today: IRON LORD) (“EYE-rawn-lorr” or “EYE-urn Lord”)


GNOMES:
The hereditary ruler of a kingdom is a DARANDAR (MARANDAR if female, and unlike most other races, most gnomes value female descent slightly more favourably than male descent ) (“Dar-AND-ar” or “Mar-AND-ar”)
A chosen, elected, or co-ruler (as part of a council or DARTH-DEIR [ = ruling circle]) is a DARRATH (“DAR-rath”)
A clan or family head is a STURTH (this refers to spokesgnome and daily move-and-shaker, not “the oldest gnome of the blood;” many old females decide which slightly younger male or female is going to be their Sturth) (“Ss-TURTH”)
A mayor or community head is a DOAMEN (“DOE-men”)
An elder or any officer of a community is an URSTDOH (“URR-st-doe”)
All of the above terms are gender-neutral, though they tend to be held by males (except for “elders,” wherein the politically active elders and officers tend to be more male than female, with the females concentrating on being ‘wise old crones,’ mothering individuals who come to them for advice, loans, or medicines)


HALFLINGS:
The hereditary ruler of a kingdom is a KLAEL (“CLAY-ull”), a term little used today, except in the Border Kingdoms (where the proud hin bearing it rule a realm rarely larger than a farm)
A chosen, elected, or co-ruler (as part of a governing council) is an ARBAERN (“Arr-BARE-unn”), sometimes mistakenly called “Har-baron” by humans, and in a few cases the halflings don’t bother to correct this, and even start using it themselves)
A clan or family head is an AULDOAN (“Awld-OH-nn”), corrupted in some human records to “Old Stone”) and Auldoans are usually affectionately known by hin as “The Old,” as a prefix, so the head of Clan Minstrelwish will be referred to, even to his face, as “The Old Minstrelwish”
A mayor or community head is a VORN (“VOARR-en”)
An elder or any officer of a community is a HORUL (“HOAR-ull”)
All of the above terms are gender-neutral, though they tend to be held by males (except for “elders,” wherein the politically active elders and officers tend to be more female than male, with the males concentrating on being ‘wise old gaffers’ gruffly dispensing often-unlooked-for advice or physical assistance)


HUMANS:
Use a huge and everchanging list of titles, far too long to explore here, but I’ll give just a few “ruler and nobility” titles. All are gender-neutral unless otherwise noted:

Chessenta:
Sceptanar (wizard-king; officially he rules all, though in practise the city-states do as they please), with noble ranks as follows:
Nornar (duke, city ruler: various city lords craft their own fanciful titles, such as Melarch, Tarlarch, and Yoevyarkh)
Marquar (marquis)
Klelandar (viscount)
Thardoun (earl)
Deltharkh (baron)
Corlar (knight, baronet)

(The above titles are echoed [minor variations] in Tashluta and in various places in the Border Kingdoms and around the Vilhon)


Mulmaster (and many small independent realms and city-states around the Sea of Fallen Stars and points north [recent maps have ‘tidied up’ many tiny realms by simply omitting mention of them]:
High Blade (ruler)
Blades (nobles, sometimes differentiated by colors [e.g Blue Blade, Black Blade] or honorifics [Drawn Blade, Vigilant Blade), and almost always styled “of” a place, thus: Tharcel Marlmantle, Blue Blade of Port Malivar


Veldorn: the monster-ruled cities employ a huge variety of fanciful titles, but also echo an old hierarchy of ancient human realms of the South, remnants of which can be found in hundreds of towns and villages south of the Shaar and east of Chult, especially to the east of the area shown on most published maps thus far:

Ormelarch (king or realm ruler) (“OAR-mel-ark”), almost always styled “The Ormelarch”
Voivarr (duke or city ruler) (“VOY-varr”)
Nahloud (marquis or army commander/castle-lord) (“Nah-LOOD”)
Dauncelpad (viscount or envoy and negotiator of king) (“DON-sell-pad”) [Dauncelpara or Dauncelara if female]
Skorn (earl or territory ruler) [Skornra if female]
Ultarkh (town ruler, keep-ruler, regional forces commander) (“ULL-tark”)
Lancelar (knight, baronet)



So saith Ed. Who hinted that he’d have said more if there wasn’t yet another NDA looming up to meet him. Regarding his opening comments: Ah, yes, the old cinammon on the nipples trick lures ’em, every time.
love to all,
THO

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Originally posted by neutrondecay

Thank you all! That's exactly what I was looking for.

Best wishes,

nd

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Originally posted by cpthero2


As to Elven, you may find the Treatise on Espruar A Field Study of the Elven Language in the Forgotten Realms Diane Morrison Version 1.0 to be interesting. Let me tell you, it is an amazing book. She has extensive sourcing in her bibliography, and has a disclaimer of free use at the end that I will post below, and a URL to that download too since she is allowing it.

Compilation copyright © 2003, 2014 by Diane Morrison. This work was created entirely for my own enjoyment and that of other elfophiles, so please feel free to distribute it freely, as long as this copyright notice, and all the appropriate acknowledgements of sources, are included.

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Originally posted by George Krashos

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Originally posted by cpthero2


As to Elven, you may find the Treatise on Espruar A Field Study of the Elven Language in the Forgotten Realms Diane Morrison Version 1.0 to be interesting. Let me tell you, it is an amazing book. She has extensive sourcing in her bibliography, and has a disclaimer of free use at the end that I will post below, and a URL to that download too since she is allowing it.

Compilation copyright © 2003, 2014 by Diane Morrison. This work was created entirely for my own enjoyment and that of other elfophiles, so please feel free to distribute it freely, as long as this copyright notice, and all the appropriate acknowledgements of sources, are included.

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Download link to the Elven language book (which definitely has noble words in it and goes into linguistics so you can build the exact words you want too):

https://docplayer.net/120685969-A-field-study-of-the-elven-language-in-the-forgotten-realms.html

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Originally posted by George Krashos

I think anyone should use it for their own home campaigns. People using it for writing projects should be a bit more reticent.

-- George Krashos

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Originally posted by Kyrene

Dear all,

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Regards,
Kyrene
Senior Scribe

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