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Kyrene
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 Posted - 01 Jun 2010 : 08:28:36
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So am I right in thinking we may currently only still produce content under the OGL? Anything post-Spellplague would fall under 4E, thus under the GSL and therefore not be allowed? Or is the timeline shift and the edition move-forward two seperate legal entities? Should I remove for instance the word "turnshield" from the glossary I'm working on, because it came from a 4E/post-Spellplague official source?
[mild rant]We don't have, and thankfully never had, New Coke here in South Africa, but I'm going to use it for this analogy nevertheless. It seems like WotC has wittingly or unwittingly got a new poilicy of: Buy our awesome New Coke! Drink it only out of our metal based or glass based containers. If you pour it into any other glass based container, or drink it with a vacuum inducing instrument, or with some spiced, cane-based alcohol, water in solid form, and a slice of citrus fruit we will probably sue you. [Oh, and just by the way,] We are no longer allowing any new Coke to be sold. If you sell any new Coke we will probably sue you. You may sell, or resell, any old Coke. If you mention that you prefer old Coke, or just mention the word "Coke" or "Coca Cola" we will probably sue you. It boggles the mind.  [/mild rant] |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 01 Jun 2010 : 11:15:27
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Originally posted by Kyrene
So am I right in thinking we may currently only still produce content under the OGL? Anything post-Spellplague would fall under 4E, thus under the GSL and therefore not be allowed? Or is the timeline shift and the edition move-forward two seperate legal entities? Should I remove for instance the word "turnshield" from the glossary I'm working on, because it came from a 4E/post-Spellplague official source?
OGL refers to the gaming system itself, not to the settings. So FR is not covered by that.
Add that word to your glossary. Even under the most strict IP considerations, I don't see a word on a forum causing an issue.  |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 01 Jun 2010 : 11:43:39
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| This reminds me that I've yet to hear anything back from my legal friend about this. She's got all the relevant and publically available details, so I'm curious about what she thinks of all these developments. Have to remind her the next time we meet. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 01 Jun 2010 : 12:02:11
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This reminds me that I've yet to hear anything back from my legal friend about this. She's got all the relevant and publically available details, so I'm curious about what she thinks of all these developments. Have to remind her the next time we meet.
Wow, the Sage has to wait on someone else operating on an indeterminate time-frame? Irony! |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 01 Jun 2010 : 13:31:24
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Heh, indeed. She has quite the knack for such delaying skills. So much so, that I am nothing but a lowly apprentice when compared to her mastery of this discipline.  |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
3054 Posts |
Posted - 01 Jun 2010 : 16:56:12
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Great Reader
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
3567 Posts |
Posted - 01 Jun 2010 : 18:32:16
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I read one okay bit of FR fanfiction, years ago... It was a crossover with Sailor Moon, and that's what caught my attention! The first part was good, but if the author ever continued it, I never saw it.
teehee! There's a campaign in there somewhere!
It involved a handful of the Sailor girls. I don't recall an explanation for how they wound up in the Realms, but I do recall that they got scattered -- most of them wound up in the general vicinity of one of the Seven Sisters. That's about all I recall about it.
And Storm has a magnificent "general vicinity"...if that's what the kids are calling it these days!
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 01 Jun 2010 : 19:02:42
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I think this topic is pretty funny - I said a year ago they would never release a fansite policy, because the legal dept would come to the same conclusion I did - the release of a policy that allowed any use of Hasbro's IPs opens the floodgates.
They do not want another 3e - that was a disaster for them (ownership-wise) - and it's still biting them in the arse (Pathfinder, anyone?) Once you give people permission to do one thing, they will find all the loopholes in what you said and do what they want. WotC never expected companies to reprint THEIR rules - 3e was supposed to be open-source so other companies could develop supplementary material - adventures, and perhaps some light campaign material.
So now they CAN'T give anyone permission to do anything, because that opens it up to a Judge's decision weather something is within the boundaries of the license. If they release NO policy, then they will ALWAYS be in the right, whenever they want to challenge anyone. Why the hell would they want to give up that power, when the 4e license was so clearly one-sided?
As much as I hate it, they are being very business-savvy in not releasing a fansite policy. On the other hand, they are not making any friends this way... but I think that ship has sailed.
Edit: I just read through the last couple pages to get up to snuff on this. Sage, on the grounds that Candlekeep has previously produced FR material, and some of the contributors of that material have done official work for Hasbro, and one particular project was actually purchased by them (despite the fact they already owned all the material contained therein), I would say you would have a very good case in that Hasbro/WotC has not effectively protected their IPs in the past, and therefore no longer have proprietary rights to those IPs. You could actually make them loose their rights to FR, if you had a crack legal team.
However, I'm fairly certain you, along with everyone else here, do not have the financial power to hire that crack team of lawyers to pick Hasbro's own corporate lawyers apart. The case is winnable, but since there is little to no financial gain to be had, good luck finding a lawyer willing to take the case. |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 01 Jun 2010 : 19:05:10
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| Will they release one for 5E perhaps? Ormaybe in time for 4.2.6E |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 02 Jun 2010 : 01:18:26
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Originally posted by Markustay
Edit: I just read through the last couple pages to get up to snuff on this. Sage, on the grounds that Candlekeep has previously produced FR material, and some of the contributors of that material have done official work for Hasbro, and one particular project was actually purchased by them (despite the fact they already owned all the material contained therein), I would say you would have a very good case in that Hasbro/WotC has not effectively protected their IPs in the past, and therefore no longer have proprietary rights to those IPs. You could actually make them loose their rights to FR, if you had a crack legal team.
However, I'm fairly certain you, along with everyone else here, do not have the financial power to hire that crack team of lawyers to pick Hasbro's own corporate lawyers apart. The case is winnable, but since there is little to no financial gain to be had, good luck finding a lawyer willing to take the case.
Perhaps we should pool all our gold pieces then, and put forth such an initiative? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36803 Posts |
Posted - 02 Jun 2010 : 02:10:08
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Originally posted by Markustay
As much as I hate it, they are being very business-savvy in not releasing a fansite policy. On the other hand, they are not making any friends this way... but I think that ship has sailed.
It could be argued that leaving your supporters in limbo and not allowing them to freely promote your product is not business-savvy. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 02 Jun 2010 : 03:53:08
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True... if there were actually enough supporters of your new product to matter.  |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 02 Jun 2010 : 05:25:09
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Ahhh, MT... How I've missed you and your witticisms.
I agree with Wooly on this. Sure, D&D is extremely well-known, but it still doesn't hurt to get free publicity. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 02 Jun 2010 : 05:46:11
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True... if there were actually enough supporters of your new product to matter.
Heh. Seriously, though, to use us and the Compendium as an example... Having fan material like that out there gets your IP noticed by folks who wouldn't necessarily have checked it out, otherwise. And it can also promote sales with those already into the setting, too. If I, for example, wrote up a travelogue of Halruaan cities, the Realms fan unfamiliar with Halruaa might read it and be intrigued enough to buy the Shining South sourcebooks to find out more. The non-Realms fan who reads it might be intrigued enough to do the same thing. It may not be a huge uptick in sales, but it would still move books -- and here's the important part -- without a penny having been spent by WotC.
The Pathfinder RPG is an excellent example of what you can do when you let the fans work for you. It was, I think, the most brilliant marketing move since the release of the 3E OGL. Without spending a dime, Paizo got perhaps the most rigorous RPG playtest in gaming history. They had the people that would use and break the rules tell them how to fix things, and they listened. And the result was a game that I think may save D&D.
The US anime industry, too, knows the power of letting fans work for you. Private individuals and groups subtitle anime that hasn't been released in the US. The US companies watch the fansub communities. And when they see that all the fansub people really like a particular title, that indicates to them a strong possibility of good sales. So a US company picks up an anime title, announces it -- and the fansub community plays fair, and stops distributing the fansubs. Then we get the commercial release, and everybody wins.
Fans can do just as much for a company as that company's advertising team can do -- and in most cases, fans do it for free. It doesn't make sense not to tell the fans what they can and can't do, and then let them help your bottom line. Fans and the companies they support are all on the same team -- so let them play together.
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 02 Jun 2010 : 06:04:41
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Huge corporations like Hasbro have lost touch - they don't understand the whole concept of 'fans' - they just know that if they under-produce the next tickle-me-Smelmo and then hype the crap out of it, it will be this year 'hot ticket item' at x-mas.
They are clueless when it comes to these niche genres - they think you can sell everything with TV adds, and D&D doesn't work that way - it takes groups of friends and social interaction. Fansites build that sort of interaction as well, in the virtual world, and if they don't allow that, then when those groups of friends get together all they will have to say about a product is bad things, because the company has gone and 'hurt their feelings'.
People forget that the thing that built D&D to the phenomena it is were 100 photocopied sets of the rules for every rulebook Gygax sold. Gary knew what was going on, but he didn't care - you can't buy word-of-mouth like that. The fans built D&D to what it was - the companies have always been along for the ride. |
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Drizztsmanchild
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 02 Jun 2010 : 06:15:25
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| MarkusTay: Its the way of corporations....once they purchase a popular smaller corp...it becomes about how much they sell...and quality goes out the window.... |
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Alystra Illianniis
Great Reader
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Posted - 03 Jun 2010 : 19:27:41
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Diffan
Great Reader
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Posted - 04 Jun 2010 : 15:50:50
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
Agreed on all fronts. It's sad how much I didn't want to go out and buy 4th ed stuff, after seeing it, and then playing it ONE time. I tried to re-do an old pc for it, and it just did not come out right AT ALL. I hated the system changes, and I don't see why they were deemed neccessary. So there goes the quality, right out the window, like you said!
It's funny cuz I was thinking the same thing towards the tail end of 3.5. Honestly, that system was SOO saturated with rules from over 60+ supplements that I believe there was little room left for yet more books. And then what happens? If they didn't do something the game would've surely died out IMO. And quality is in the eye of the beholder, obviously. |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
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Posted - 04 Jun 2010 : 19:29:47
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
Agreed on all fronts. It's sad how much I didn't want to go out and buy 4th ed stuff, after seeing it, and then playing it ONE time. I tried to re-do an old pc for it, and it just did not come out right AT ALL. I hated the system changes, and I don't see why they were deemed neccessary. So there goes the quality, right out the window, like you said!
It's funny cuz I was thinking the same thing towards the tail end of 3.5. Honestly, that system was SOO saturated with rules from over 60+ supplements that I believe there was little room left for yet more books. And then what happens? If they didn't do something the game would've surely died out IMO. And quality is in the eye of the beholder, obviously.
Careful there, Diffan. We went over the number of 4E supplements and it's well over 40 by now. So by your logic, 5th Edition will be needed by 2012. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 04 Jun 2010 : 19:31:49
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I have no problems with the rules - I am sure they are good in their own way. They are just not for me. The way magic (and other abilities) now reminds more of 'The Force', or even super-powers (which is why I think the 4e rules would make an excellent 'Supers' game).
One of the biggest aspects of D&D, right from the beginning, was its magic system, and even the spell-names themselves evoked your imagination, with thoughts of legendary wizards from ages past. Gary got that from the Dying Earth novels of Jack Vance. Magic is not supposed to be merely a means to an end - its supposed to be fantastical and mysterious.
I never really liked the D&D magic system, which is why I played other RPGs more often early on, but now that I finally got my wish and they changed the whole thing, it just doesn't feel like D&D to me any more.
I actually said more about that then I wanted... the real point I wanted to make is that a good DM can make any rules work - hell I ran Tunnels & Trolls for several years, and there's a majorly broken rules set if their ever was one. But it was fun, and the rules really didn't matter so much.
I think the reason why I can't even consider the 4e rules is 2-fold; first I can't bring myself to re-invest in yet another system. I have tons and tons of 3e books, many of which I haven't even fully read. Starting from scratch at my age just doesn't appeal to me.
The second reason is what they did to FR for 4e - I will always feel somehow in the back of my mind that the 4e rules was a murder weapon. So no matter how good they are, I will never like them, because they have been 'tainted' by my love for FR - I can't get past that. Had they left FR alone - merely pushing the timeline ahead another 10 years - there's a good chance I might have bought-into 4e... but not now. There may come a time when I decide to take the plunge, but as of right now I can't even find a 4e group anywhere near me, so what would be the point? |
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Mr_Miscellany
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Posted - 04 Jun 2010 : 23:08:15
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Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
Careful there, Diffan. We went over the number of 4E supplements and it's well over 40 by now. So by your logic, 5th Edition will be needed by 2012.
I wouldn't be surprised at all to see 5E announced by 2012.
WotC has inundated the market (although the printed adventures are a big chunk of that)...based on their prior behavior I'd say 2012 or at the latest 2013. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 04 Jun 2010 : 23:55:51
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If they back-pedal it a wee-bit, I can see myself buying into a 5e. Bring some of the flavor back into the magic... that would be cool. I don't really see that happening - its far more likely that they will just simplify it even more, bringing it closer to Heroscape with a minor RPG element, but we shall see.
If they re-boot the Realms continuity, I can honestly say I would give it a try. It doesn't need to be fast-forwarded (and certainly NOT AGAIN) - it needs to be re-done from scratch, with more concern for continuity and fresh story lines.
Like they did with Star Trek... but I've said that before.
Hmmmmm... would Elminster then take the place of Spock? Egads! TWO Elminsters! 
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althen artren
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Posted - 05 Jun 2010 : 00:06:49
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The world coundn't handle two Elminsters, imagine if they go in a fight
over some supposed mission from Mystra.
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Elfinblade
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Norway
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Posted - 05 Jun 2010 : 01:00:58
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Diffan
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 05 Jun 2010 : 16:37:55
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Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
Careful there, Diffan. We went over the number of 4E supplements and it's well over 40 by now. So by your logic, 5th Edition will be needed by 2012.
Oh I know. I'd wish they would slow a bit. That's the problem with WotC, they produce soo much too fast and then they're changing it over again. Its one reason I don't really get into magic anymore because they change sets like every 6 months and it's just too much to keep up with on a budget.
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Well, Paizo seems to be doing OK with what is essentially, a home-brewed 3.5.
I agree, Pathfinder does a good job fine tuning the 3.5 system but for myself, the temptation is just too strong not to exploit the rules, at least in some small way, in my favor. I still play Pathfinder/3.5 and I always will I just find 4E refreshing and more to the style of my group play.
I'd say 5E is at the very least another 6 to 7 years away. They're not going to jump the edition until they exhaust every single avenue that 4E has to offer and we're only at 25 base classes. We've still got another 2 to 3 Power Sources to exploit and another 2 to 3 Monster Manuals to put out.
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Originally posted by Markustay
I have no problems with the rules - I am sure they are good in their own way. They are just not for me. The way magic (and other abilities) now reminds more of 'The Force', or even super-powers (which is why I think the 4e rules would make an excellent 'Supers' game).
I can respect this and I, to a point, agree with you.
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Originally posted by Markustay
One of the biggest aspects of D&D, right from the beginning, was its magic system, and even the spell-names themselves evoked your imagination, with thoughts of legendary wizards from ages past. Gary got that from the Dying Earth novels of Jack Vance. Magic is not supposed to be merely a means to an end - its supposed to be fantastical and mysterious.
I never really liked the D&D magic system, which is why I played other RPGs more often early on, but now that I finally got my wish and they changed the whole thing, it just doesn't feel like D&D to me any more.
I never liked the Vancian-system and I suppose I probably never will. It's a reason I'm more likely to play a Warmage or Sorcerer than a wizard. I do like Clerics though but I spam out the Spontaneous casting, lol. For me, I just can't stand the fact that a wizard (steeped in arcane lore and might) would have reduced to using so trivial as a crossbow or some sort of melee weapon like a dagger. It's a reason that I allowed my arcane casters (before Pathfinder came out) to use cantrips at-will and deal max damage (yea, a whopping 3 per casting). 4E just seems to flow so much easier for us and pumping out Magic Missile at 2d4+13 damage at-will is such an awesome feeling.
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Originally posted by Markustay
I actually said more about that then I wanted... the real point I wanted to make is that a good DM can make any rules work - hell I ran Tunnels & Trolls for several years, and there's a majorly broken rules set if their ever was one. But it was fun, and the rules really didn't matter so much.
QFT.
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Originally posted by Markustay
I think the reason why I can't even consider the 4e rules is 2-fold; first I can't bring myself to re-invest in yet another system. I have tons and tons of 3e books, many of which I haven't even fully read. Starting from scratch at my age just doesn't appeal to me.
The second reason is what they did to FR for 4e - I will always feel somehow in the back of my mind that the 4e rules was a murder weapon. So no matter how good they are, I will never like them, because they have been 'tainted' by my love for FR - I can't get past that. Had they left FR alone - merely pushing the timeline ahead another 10 years - there's a good chance I might have bought-into 4e... but not now. There may come a time when I decide to take the plunge, but as of right now I can't even find a 4e group anywhere near me, so what would be the point?
I hear ya. I got the first bundle package for my B-day so it was my first intro to 4E and had I not liked it off the bat, I would've gone straight to Pathfinder. As it happens, I love both for different reasons, yet I only have the $$ for 1 and I guess that new, Uber-kewl, feeling of 4E is still there so it wins out.
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Zanan
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Posted - 05 Jun 2010 : 20:08:30
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Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
Careful there, Diffan. We went over the number of 4E supplements and it's well over 40 by now. So by your logic, 5th Edition will be needed by 2012.
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
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Posted - 05 Jun 2010 : 21:41:43
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Originally posted by Zanan
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Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
Careful there, Diffan. We went over the number of 4E supplements and it's well over 40 by now. So by your logic, 5th Edition will be needed by 2012.
40? Does that include DDI stuff or do you really mean printed books of a decent enough size?
Just printed material. |
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Dark Wizard
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 05 Jun 2010 : 22:48:21
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Originally posted by Diffan
I'd say 5E is at the very least another 6 to 7 years away. They're not going to jump the edition until they exhaust every single avenue that 4E has to offer and we're only at 25 base classes. We've still got another 2 to 3 Power Sources to exploit and another 2 to 3 Monster Manuals to put out.
Since Wizards said they would put out one PHB and MM a year, then by that estimation, 4E will only last another 2 to 3 years rather than 6 to 7 years. All told, 3E only lasted barely 8 years before they fully pulled the plug. They started working on 4E right after they put out 3.5e. I think we should look at 3e/3.5e as an example of edition cycles rather than 2e, which was probably extended due to the collapse of TSR and different business models at the time. |
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Ashe Ravenheart
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Posted - 09 Jun 2010 : 19:51:48
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Hmmm.... we're not the only ones thinking on the IP issue. Just saw this seminar being done at GenCon this year:
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Game ID: SEM1014184
Gaming Group/Company:
Title: Intellectual Property Law for Gamers
Description: This one hour seminar will cover the basics of intellectual property law for gamers. Basic copyright, trademark and patent concepts will be discussed as they apply to the gaming industry. The speaker is a partner in a leading intellectual property law firm.
Alas, the 'Con is undo-able for me this year. Anyone going and would be interested in attending this for our benefit? |
I actually DO know everything. I just have a very poor index of my knowledge.
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