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NightElf
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 Posted - 29 Aug 2003 : 12:36:30
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Clerics are given the ability by their gods to cast clerical spells, but this requires the Deity to give up a slight portion of their power so that the clerics can use it.
In some texts it mentions that certain deities make a presence as an avatar during religious holy days. If this happens, surely the clerics would lose their spells during this period because the deity is no longer there to provide.
Secondly, if a Deity was slain by some means while they were prowling the Forgotten Realms as an Avatar, would that kill the actual god themselves? After all, the avatar is the god.
Any ideas on that?
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 29 Aug 2003 : 13:43:53
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The one important thing to remember about avatars is that they are (in most cases) only a portion of the deity's power given physical form (obviously the Time of Troubles was a unique case). The deity still exists in his/her home plane, and is still able to grant divine powers to all his/her followers (clerics).
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The Sage
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Posted - 29 Aug 2003 : 13:49:14
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As for the second part of your post, well that is really also answered by my last post.
Another important thing to remember to ask yourself is, what planar cosmology you are using for your deities in FR? - 2e (Planescape cosmology), or 3e (FR cosmology). If it is 2e, then killing an avatar of a deity only affects the deity for that particular plane. The deity is still able to create avatars on another prime material plane. In 3e it is somewhat different since the planes for the FR cosmology are separate from the standard D&D structure.
Again the Time of Troubles was a unique case. This was because all of the essence of the deities were forced into avatar form. If a deity/avatar was destroyed during that period (and had not planned ahead to resolve his/her demise like Bane and Mystra), then that particular deity would be absolutely destroyed (like Myrkul and Bhaal), and sent to drift upon the Astral Plane.
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Bookwyrm
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Posted - 30 Aug 2003 : 06:07:19
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| If you recall an example from the books, specifically Song of the Saurials, Moander (god of decay) was destroyed as an avatar twice; then he was killed on his home plane right after the second time. |
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The Sage
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The Sage
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Posted - 30 Aug 2003 : 13:50:30
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Also remember that although the deity may be 'destroyed' in the traditional sense, most 'dead gods' are left to float through the Astral Plane as husks with access to only very...very limited abilities that can only affect those creatures in direct physical contact with the husk (although the deity is usually not conscious of this contact since it is purely instinct).
In some very rare cases (Aoskar) for example, a deity may be resurrected from the status of 'dead god', but the process is long and complicated, and has only ever been attempted once successfully.
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Fibura Gauntlet
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Posted - 01 Sep 2003 : 12:08:45
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If someone could lure Tiamat into fully manifesting herself on the Prime Material Plane by challenging her in her own Plane and then retreating through a portal back here leaving it open for her to follow, she could be destroyed permanently. You'd be able to take her place amongst the Gods too.
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The Cardinal
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Posted - 01 Sep 2003 : 15:10:13
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Sorry for intruding, But I can't help myself when Deities are concerned ( and their deaths)
Aoskar... Who is he?
Umm In what tome is this process described... Just cause I'm curious
and Say you provoked a deity into fighting you on their own plane then say... gated into the Material with that big bad..... well anyways, they followed you and by quirk of Luck, you managed to defeat them... Would that be considered a true or avatarial death? |
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The Sage
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Posted - 01 Sep 2003 : 15:23:40
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Aoskar was (is???) the God of Portals, at least in the Planescape setting. He was destroyed by the Lady of Pain (for reasons too long and complex to type here) because his 'ambition exceeded his reach'...
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Clerical Power and Avatars
