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Sandro
Learned Scribe
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 Posted - 27 Jan 2010 : 08:09:29
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Of course, your other option is to wait until after the spellplague (wait for it) and exploit the single greatest opportunity every offered by Wizbro: no Mystra = no ban.
10th level spells? No problem. |
"Gods, little fishes, and spells to turn the one to the other," Mordenkainen sighed. "It's started already..." |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 27 Jan 2010 : 11:14:01
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Originally posted by Sandro
Of course, your other option is to wait until after the spellplague (wait for it) and exploit the single greatest opportunity every offered by Wizbro: no Mystra = no ban.
10th level spells? No problem.
Not necessarily. If magic itself was changed to make the ban effective, the absence of Mystra won't necessarily change things back. It didn't before, during the ToT. |
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sfdragon
Great Reader
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Posted - 27 Jan 2010 : 14:49:42
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Originally posted by Hoondatha
Netheril box set, page 116, in the Magical Items section of the After the Fall chapter. It says: quote:
"Quasimagical items became virtually useless after the fall, since their source of power—the mythallars— was destroyed."
many thanks for that.....it still leaves me to wonder though what does it mean by destroyed, battery just without power for just long enough for the enclave to hit terminal velocity or destroyed via blowing up..
the one in Negarath survived, sakkors's sentient one survived, Larloch migh event have one... |
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Hoondatha
Great Reader
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Posted - 27 Jan 2010 : 18:01:34
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I'm not sure it makes a whole lot of difference whether they blew up or powered down. My own guess would be that they lost power, and then Mystra changed the Weave so that they couldn't access it anymore, turning them into regular stone/crystal in the process. I think there's just too much magical power there; if they blew up they would have taken a significant chunk of the enclaves with them, and explosions of that magnitude weren't recorded. The fact that the populations of the three surviving enclaves were big enough to still form viable nations also seems to argue against the blowing up hypothesis.
A good way to look at it is probably that when Mystra rebooted the Weave, she also changed all the A/C outlets from American to German. The mythallars couldn't plug in, couldn't draw power, and so remained shut down permanently. |
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sfdragon
Great Reader
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Posted - 28 Jan 2010 : 01:57:33
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then I would have to wonder about how the one in Negarath maintained its power then...
but hey, as they all say, It your Realms... |
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Nicolai Withander
Master of Realmslore
Denmark
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Posted - 28 Jan 2010 : 17:14:56
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interesting... If one could find it, one might be able to find a way to "plug" them in agan. That woul make for an interesting epic qeust!
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Hoondatha
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 28 Jan 2010 : 19:38:46
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| It's at least theoretically possible, since we know that Mystra didn't out-right ban 10th and 11th level spells, she just changed the incantations around so that existing version don't work and then broadly "hinted" that they didn't work at all. But I think it would be hideously difficult to figure out how to make mythallars work in the current magical environment, and there's a pretty good chance that the current Mystra would come down hard on the idea. |
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Nicolai Withander
Master of Realmslore
Denmark
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Posted - 28 Jan 2010 : 21:02:20
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just to be sure... we're talking about 3,5 ed right?
Thats what we are playing so... But you say she altered the machanics of magic and not directly banned 10 and 11 lvl spells???
I have ingame spent a year developing a spell that made it possible to cast 10th and 11th lvl spells... You say thats its generelly possible if one knew how??? I was pretty sure she didn't alow it! |
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Hoondatha
Great Reader
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Posted - 28 Jan 2010 : 23:32:05
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The lore comes from the 2e book Secrets of the Magister, but lore is edition-agnostic. Under the section detailing Forbidden Spells it says the following: "She [Mystra] did this by altering their [10th and 11th level magics] enchantments to make them both inoperative and incomprehensible to the Netherese alive at the time (in other words, all of the recorded incantations could no longer "take hold of the Weave" at all, and hence the spells simply would not work). Mystra also altered a few of the symbols and glyphs of these incantations to make them injurious to the minds of beings attempting to memorize them or read and tinker with them.
"History incorrectly records this as changing humans to make the use of such magic beyond their grasp, or changing the nature of magic to make spells of greater than 9th level unintelligible to humans, because that is what the goddess wanted mortals to believe (to keep strivings after such forbidden spells to a minimum and the waste of spellcasters' lives and efforts small)."
There's a lot more there, I really suggest you track down the book. It's, IMO, one of Ed's best from a pure Realmslore perspective. Not to be confused with FR 4 The Magister, which is a much older book. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 29 Jan 2010 : 00:35:14
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Originally posted by Nicolai Withander
I have ingame spent a year developing a spell that made it possible to cast 10th and 11th lvl spells... You say thats its generelly possible if one knew how??? I was pretty sure she didn't alow it!
She won't necessarily allow your spell to work. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 29 Jan 2010 : 00:35:44
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Originally posted by Hoondatha
There's a lot more there, I really suggest you track down the book. It's, IMO, one of Ed's best from a pure Realmslore perspective. Not to be confused with FR 4 The Magister, which is a much older book.
There's a lot of good Ed lore in both books.  |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 29 Jan 2010 : 01:08:28
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote:
Originally posted by Nicolai Withander
I have ingame spent a year developing a spell that made it possible to cast 10th and 11th lvl spells... You say thats its generelly possible if one knew how??? I was pretty sure she didn't alow it!
She won't necessarily allow your spell to work.
Indeed. Secrets of the Magister talks about what happens if mages [and Magisters and Chosen] try and cast 10th-level spells, as does the Cormanthyr accessory. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 29 Jan 2010 : 01:09:54
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote:
Originally posted by Hoondatha
There's a lot more there, I really suggest you track down the book. It's, IMO, one of Ed's best from a pure Realmslore perspective. Not to be confused with FR 4 The Magister, which is a much older book.
There's a lot of good Ed lore in both books.
Yep! There's a reason I purchased two copies [like I did with most 2e Ed-lore sources] back when it was first released. One copy for the gaming table, and one copy for my nightly reading endeavours.  |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3287 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jan 2010 : 04:43:17
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Lady K lets you read at night Sage?   |
"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Nicolai Withander
Master of Realmslore
Denmark
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Posted - 29 Jan 2010 : 17:31:02
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| Thats very interesting! So its possible in theory! And the book you mentioned where could they be bought? |
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Hoondatha
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 29 Jan 2010 : 20:32:58
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| Heh. Well, now that's the question. WotC shut down all the legitimate pay-for-download sites, and I'm fairly certain that Secrets of the Magister isn't one of the free downloads on their site. And it's obviously not in print any longer. That leaves ebay, used book stores/FL game stores with old books, or finding a pdf on some file sharing network somewhere. |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 29 Jan 2010 : 20:42:14
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Originally posted by Nicolai Withander
Thats very interesting! So its possible in theory! And the book you mentioned where could they be bought?
NobleKnight has 2 copies :
http://www.nobleknight.com/searchresults.asp?search=secrets+of+the+magister |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 29 Jan 2010 : 20:43:11
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Originally posted by Hoondathafinding a pdf on some file sharing network somewhere.
Which, of course, is totally breaking copyright and illegal and we don't suggest you do it at all!
Edit:Oops, forgot to add the [sarcasm] tags. |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 29 Jan 2010 : 22:13:27
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Brimstone
Lady K lets you read at night Sage?
Yep. See, she won't let me do "anything" else. 
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"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3287 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jan 2010 : 22:14:37
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quote:
Originally posted by The Red Walker
quote:
Originally posted by Nicolai Withander
Thats very interesting! So its possible in theory! And the book you mentioned where could they be bought?
NobleKnight has 2 copies :
http://www.nobleknight.com/searchresults.asp?search=secrets+of+the+magister
Thats where I got my near mint copy around 6 months ago. |
"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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The Masked Mage
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 26 Jan 2013 : 10:28:35
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There is a much easier way, if all you want to do is have a big floating rock with a castle or something... Dragon Magazine 257 had a Wyrm of the North named Valamaradace, "the Dragon Queen."
"The Dragon Queen and her consort Deszeldaryndun dwell in the Floating Mountain. Thisgigantic, hollow, oval rock is kept aloft by the Dragon Queen's magic, which also enshrouds it in mists, and directs it wherever she desires. Usually it hovers low over the woods due west of Everlund, or south of there on the verges of the High Forest. The dragon couple refers to it as "Softwing." "
Later in the article it describes the artifact she uses to do this AND the spells the the artifact that she uses uses to do it. Really its nothing more than a powerful version of levitation and you could throw in a permanency spell and presto you have your very own floating mountain, no mythallar required.
As far as mythallars are concerned, I always figured some survived and could be active. This is how I reasoned out Larloch making his home where his enclave fell and not finding a location that is less accessible to the rabble of the world. |
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