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Nicolai Withander
Master of Realmslore
Denmark
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 Posted - 22 Jan 2010 : 16:26:37
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Well met all ye powerful and wise old sages... I have questions for you set in this hall of knowledge.
I was wondering how I, a level 24 wizard, goes about getting a flying enclave like the ones they had during the time of High Netherill?
And on a side note, how do you think people would respond to the sight and idea?
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Hoondatha
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Posted - 22 Jan 2010 : 17:04:57
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Well, the "canon" way, via the Netheril box set, is to cast Proctiv's Move Mountain to sheer away the top thousand feet or so of a mountain and cause it to hover. Unfortunately, you can't cast it. First, you're too low level. Second, even if you were the proper level, Mystra's banned 10th level spells. Third, even if you got around that, it requires a mythallar as a component, and they can't be made any more either.
So that option is out. Ed has mentioned that not all enclaves were floating mountain tops, others were more like floating towers or towns. I'd search his scroll for references, but there probably aren't any existing spells that would do the trick.
One option you might consider is creating a cloud castle, as written in the Encyclopedia Magica. Essentially you take a cloud, you work some magic over it so that it doesn't dissipate, and then you throw a whole bunch of walls of force onto it to form floors. Hit each one with a permanecy so it doesn't fade away, and then you can build whatever you want on top of it. I've always really liked the writeup for the cloud castle (there's a second version on the next page that involves calling in a favor from some giant deities and a titan of gravity), but never got a chance to play with one. Hope that helps. |
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Archistratege
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Denmark
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Posted - 22 Jan 2010 : 17:31:55
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Forgive me for not being of much help, but I remember reading about a certain witch-queen of Aglarond, who, in order to save her lover from the depths of Hell, sheared off a mountian top from the pits of Avernus and crashed it onto an unsuspecting army of devils, which stood in her way. Much like the Netherese did the same to create their floating cities - without the destruction og hellish hordes of course. This even happened not so long ago...
Granted, she 'is' one of the Chosen of Mystra and may just be able to circumvent the ban of tenth-level spells in order to cut off the top of the mountian. However, she may just have used a spell that is unknown to us, and if so, perhaps this spell can be of aid to you. Where to find it though, I have no idea. |
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Nicolai Withander
Master of Realmslore
Denmark
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Posted - 22 Jan 2010 : 17:36:45
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hmmm... ill just convinse the Simbul to give it up... if not willingly then forcefully... which mill be even easyer
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sfdragon
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Posted - 22 Jan 2010 : 19:44:08
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| in lost empires ;I think, there was an epic spell there that is what you seek. |
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Dalor Darden
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Posted - 23 Jan 2010 : 05:05:42
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I think perhaps that she was able to cast that spell in the Nine Hells simply because she wasn't within the world of Faerun...I'm not sure if the rules to casting magic in the mortal realm apply to the outer planes.
Someone have an idea? |
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sfdragon
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Posted - 23 Jan 2010 : 08:36:43
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| well she was/is the Realm's most power living caster |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 23 Jan 2010 : 14:30:37
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| I think there's some differences between making a mountaintop float and simply making one fall. |
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Kilvan
Senior Scribe
Canada
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Posted - 23 Jan 2010 : 14:31:29
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| Proctiv's Move Mountain Epic spell is available in 3.5 Player's guide to Faerun. Being an epic spell (meaning a powerful 9th level spell that requires extensive research and spellcraft), it is unaffected by Mystra's ban. |
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Nicolai Withander
Master of Realmslore
Denmark
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Posted - 23 Jan 2010 : 14:53:04
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hmm.. so epic spell is needed... crap. I realy hate those. But what about the atitude towards it? what do you think would happen i waterdeep when they saw a plying enclave?
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Arion Elenim
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 23 Jan 2010 : 18:41:44
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| I'd play it that such a thing would throw the city into an utter panic. Most of the populace would probably assume that the new city was actually Shade Enclave come to wreak havok. |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
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Posted - 23 Jan 2010 : 21:42:36
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Originally posted by Nicolai Withander
hmm.. so epic spell is needed... crap. I realy hate those. But what about the atitude towards it? what do you think would happen i waterdeep when they saw a plying enclave?
Plus, depending on when the game is set, you'd probably be set upon by Khelben, Laeral, Halaster and whomever else felt that the 'upstart' needed to be brought down. If you even got that far. I suspect that you might get some divine nudges that such an abuse of magic is frowned upon.
But, knowing the background of your über-character, you'd probably ignore such warnings anyway. |
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sfdragon
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Posted - 24 Jan 2010 : 00:05:41
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not necessarily. oh sure they would be scrying on you, and you would attract attention of the local mages guild and head government of the area you slash off a mountain top.
not to mention the shade would try to infiltrate your city. |
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Brimstone
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Posted - 24 Jan 2010 : 04:11:24
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| The Shades do have two. Steal one of theirs. |
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sfdragon
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Posted - 24 Jan 2010 : 06:37:37
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or do one better, reclaim one of the fallen....
how do you feel about moving into Seventon???? |
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Nicolai Withander
Master of Realmslore
Denmark
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Posted - 24 Jan 2010 : 12:57:13
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Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
quote:
Originally posted by Nicolai Withander
hmm.. so epic spell is needed... crap. I realy hate those. But what about the atitude towards it? what do you think would happen i waterdeep when they saw a plying enclave?
Plus, depending on when the game is set, you'd probably be set upon by Khelben, Laeral, Halaster and whomever else felt that the 'upstart' needed to be brought down. If you even got that far. I suspect that you might get some divine nudges that such an abuse of magic is frowned upon.
But, knowing the background of your über-character, you'd probably ignore such warnings anyway.
He's not that careless all the time, and some of my... "actions have back fired" 
By the way, how does one create a Mythallar. I have looked but cant seem tho find it anywhere, and yes I know it cant be done anymore! |
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Hoondatha
Great Reader
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Posted - 24 Jan 2010 : 14:38:30
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| It's never been described, since, as you say, they can't be made anymore. They were introduced in 2e, which sensibly didn't try to define absolutely everything. In 2e there was still a sense of wonder in magical items, a glorious impreciseness that I greatly missed in 3e. If you wanted to make your own mythallar, you'd have to rediscover the process (and, as player or DM, create it on your own). |
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Nicolai Withander
Master of Realmslore
Denmark
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Posted - 24 Jan 2010 : 14:57:22
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Hmm... gotta tank to the old bag' o bones know as Larloch! He'll tell me im sure! He still has the remnants laying around somewhere in his ruins I suspect!
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Kilvan
Senior Scribe
Canada
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Posted - 24 Jan 2010 : 15:21:47
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| Or, find the Mythallar from one of the fallen city. Of course, such a search may be the work of a lifetime since you are obviously not the first mage to seek the secrets of fallen Netheril. |
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Nicolai Withander
Master of Realmslore
Denmark
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Posted - 24 Jan 2010 : 16:13:33
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| That would make for an interesting adventure. I might actualy do that! Get the whole party ind on it. That would be epic! |
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Hoondatha
Great Reader
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Posted - 24 Jan 2010 : 16:16:10
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| There aren't mythallars in fallen cities. They were destroyed during the Fall. The only exception is Shade, which technically wasn't present for the Fall. Why Mystra didn't nuke the mythallar the instant the city came back is still mind-boggling. |
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Nicolai Withander
Master of Realmslore
Denmark
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Posted - 24 Jan 2010 : 16:23:16
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There might not be any intact mythallers anywhere, but there might be blueprints, or other pieces of information that could lead to the creation of yet another! Perhaps! I will let that be up to the DM to deside if we ever go!
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Hoondatha
Great Reader
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Posted - 24 Jan 2010 : 18:42:09
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| Everything is possible. Some things are less likely than others, however. |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
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Posted - 24 Jan 2010 : 22:58:12
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Originally posted by Hoondatha
There aren't mythallars in fallen cities. They were destroyed during the Fall. The only exception is Shade, which technically wasn't present for the Fall. Why Mystra didn't nuke the mythallar the instant the city came back is still mind-boggling.
Oh, I think Shar may have a hand in protecting the Mythallar... |
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sfdragon
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Posted - 25 Jan 2010 : 00:43:45
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there is a mythaller in one of the fallen cities.
however It state is not well known, and seizing it is an adventure in its own.
but anyway the enclave wwas mentioned in Depths of madness by ERic Scott De Bie....
a well recommended book and read.
that said, you can also go into the underdark and Ioluam himself about it..... he might charge you, he might not.
otherwise, you could also go down to halruaa and ask them..... they might not tell you though.
but yeah it was never mentioned on how to make those, so you'll have to make something up, and outrageous to do it.
like a piece of quartz the size of a human fist.... |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 25 Jan 2010 : 01:14:29
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Originally posted by sfdragon
but anyway the enclave wwas mentioned in Depths of madness by ERic Scott De Bie....
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sfdragon
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Posted - 25 Jan 2010 : 02:34:35
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yes thats it.
its upside down though....
and a particular creature still lives there, so dont forget yon holy corrosive +5 longsword, and yes must be corrosive.
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sfdragon
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Posted - 25 Jan 2010 : 02:37:46
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on the otherhand, if you are willing to derive from cannon, you could always stumble across a portal that a carbon copy of the longlost thought destroy Fabled City of Rubies lies within complete with the descendants of the population that was in it from times long past.
They would have a copy of it, might even sell you one.
if that does not fancy you, there is always going to Selunarra at the Gates of the Moon. |
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Kilvan
Senior Scribe
Canada
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Posted - 26 Jan 2010 : 21:09:46
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quote:
Originally posted by Hoondatha
There aren't mythallars in fallen cities. They were destroyed during the Fall. The only exception is Shade, which technically wasn't present for the Fall. Why Mystra didn't nuke the mythallar the instant the city came back is still mind-boggling.
Sakkors had its Mythallar intact despite the fall, as seen in the twilight war trilogy of Paul Kemp. But then, it was described as a "special" Mythallar, to say the least. |
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sfdragon
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Posted - 26 Jan 2010 : 23:27:04
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umm you know, I'd like to know where it says they were destroyed during the fall?? or is this speculation by the fanbase
they could of survived, the chances not all that great but they could of( the people had no chance)....
and also when the three cities were saved by mystra, did they take the mythallers of those three cities when they abandoned them?? |
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Hoondatha
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Posted - 27 Jan 2010 : 00:40:30
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Netheril box set, page 116, in the Magical Items section of the After the Fall chapter. It says: quote:
"Quasimagical items became virtually useless after the fall, since their source of power—the mythallars— was destroyed."
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