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Lord Rad
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 Posted - 24 Aug 2003 : 15:15:15
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I always saw King Azoun IV as a great king to look up to and admire, who was a great leader of his kingdom, who cared for his people and loved his queen..... EEK! Thats where im wrong!
I have read the Cormyr Saga, the Empires Trilogy and and now reading Hand of Fire. Prior to Hand of Fire, Azoun WAS the person I had described above, but the latter parts of Crown of Fire and now in Hand of Fire show that his is extrememly unfaithful to Queen Filfaeril. On numerous occassions he is seen in anothers bed and giving his love and affections elsewhere.  Boooo, bad Azoun! tut tut!
Obviously Death of the Dragon (Cormyr Saga, book 3) takes place AFTER Hand of Fire, and Azoun is shown to be in love and with Filfaeril, but his unfaithfulness is still unacceptable. The worst thing is, is that many of the Purple Dragons, and numerous guards from Cormyr, know of this and either aid him or turn a blind eye!
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Edited by - Lord Rad on 24 Aug 2003 15:15:45
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Zacas
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 24 Aug 2003 : 17:51:47
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| yeah... but it hinted at this quality of his, if i recall, in most of the books/short stories he was in. But if you think about it... Most royalty, famous, rich people often have their 'mistresses' and what not... it's often expected (but then, often the reason for this is because they married for their country, reputation, financial needs... not for love... tho that is NOT always the case :P just overly common cause the people in such situation aren't given the choice of love... the parents and whatnot force them into those other types of marriages) |
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Malanthius
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Posted - 24 Aug 2003 : 18:28:04
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Actually Rad, I'm really surprised it took you this long to notice this tendency attached to the obarskyr line. It has reaccured repeatedly through out the lineage (Cormyr, a novel) and as before has been noted by many a sage. The thing that surprises me is your automatic assumption that Azoun IV didn't always love queen Filfaeril.
I honestly think Azoun took his marriage vows quite seriously, his problem was that he couldn't stop loving everyone else.  |
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Bookwyrm
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Posted - 25 Aug 2003 : 05:34:20
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| Heh. I like the way you put that one. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 25 Aug 2003 : 12:22:11
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That is certainly an interesting interpretation Malanthius.
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The worst thing is, is that many of the Purple Dragons, and numerous guards from Cormyr, know of this and either aid him or turn a blind eye!
Indeed. However, remember that he is still king of Cormyr (or at least was king), and therefore must have the sworn loyalty and allegiance of his people. Although it does require those who know about his 'activities' to turn a blind-eye as such, I think his subjects purposeful ignorance would only go so far...
Make of this what you will.
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Faraer
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Posted - 31 Aug 2003 : 18:09:38
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| He's not unfaithful to Filfaeril; his dalliances are with her consent. |
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Lord Rad
Great Reader
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Posted - 31 Aug 2003 : 21:57:29
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Originally posted by Faraer
He's not unfaithful to Filfaeril; his dalliances are with her consent.
Surely not!? She cant possible consent to such activities!? Does Filfaeril know about Tessaril and Azoun? |
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 01 Sep 2003 : 00:06:50
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Originally posted by Rad
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Originally posted by Faraer
He's not unfaithful to Filfaeril; his dalliances are with her consent.
Surely not!? She cant possible consent to such activities!? Does Filfaeril know about Tessaril and Azoun?
I don't see how Filfaeril can not have heard of Tessaril and Azoun and many of Azoun's other "activities." Upon reading Filfaeril in the Cormyr trilogy she didn't strike me as naive or foolish. Thus, I don't think she was in the dark at all about what Azoun was up to throughout his life.
Now whether or not she consented ...I think Filfaeril upon marrying a young and, as shown in Realms of Valor, (I think that book was the one featuring the story of a young Azoun), amorous Azoun, she had to know what to expect. I fail to see how Azoun being promiscious with other ladies means he loved Filfaeril any less. |
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KlarthAilerion
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Posted - 06 Sep 2003 : 06:59:05
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Speaking of Filfaeril and Death of the Dragon, when are the events from the end of Death of the Dragon, the Return of the Archmages series, Elminster in Hell (etc) going to be continued? It seemed to me that there were still a lot of loose ends to be tied up in what could be considered the "main" story in Faerun, at least in the Dales and the surrounding areas.
Knights of Myth Drannor, perhaps? |
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Lord Rad
Great Reader
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Posted - 06 Sep 2003 : 10:30:43
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Originally posted by KlarthAilerion
Speaking of Filfaeril and Death of the Dragon, when are the events from the end of Death of the Dragon, the Return of the Archmages series, Elminster in Hell (etc) going to be continued? It seemed to me that there were still a lot of loose ends to be tied up in what could be considered the "main" story in Faerun, at least in the Dales and the surrounding areas.
Knights of Myth Drannor, perhaps?
Well said KlarthAilerion! I felt that the events in RotAW were left too unfinished, I wont give any spoilers here but we need to know more about what happens to Shade.
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Faraer
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Posted - 09 Sep 2003 : 00:05:57
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| I suspect Elminster's Daughter (May 2004) will be forced to incorporate some of these threads, since it's set in the WotC 'present'. The Rage? The Last Mythal? (The Knights books will be set, gods be praised, in the early years of the company, the 1350s.) |
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 09 Sep 2003 : 05:49:55
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Originally posted by Rad
[quote]Originally posted by KlarthAilerion
I believe that the upcoming Players Guide to Faerunis going to give an updated events and timeline from the FRCS
Your post made me pose a question on the official WOTC board. Here's what Richard Baker said in his reply to it:
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Yes, there's a good discussion of the principal events in Return of the Archwizards and the opening books of War of the Spider Queen, plus some other updates. We would have liked to make it more comprehensive, but space turned out to be a real limitation in the book.
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Mr. Baker:
Apologies if this has been asked before, I've kept up with this thread and don't recall it being put forth previously.
Will the Player's Guide to Faerun feature an updated timeline for events that have taken place since the FRCS came out? Someone on another messageboard was asking and I thought you might be able to shed some light on the matter.
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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Posted - 10 Mar 2005 : 21:59:02
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| When I was a bit younger I couldn't comprehend a lawful good character that I really liked doing something so base and imoral. As I got older I realized that Azoun would die for Filfaeril and his daughters, and he was a good and kind king who wasn't willing to go to war without risking his own hide. I think Death of the Dragon really showed his character, and as I get older I realize that sometimes even great men have flaws. |
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Garen Thal
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Posted - 10 Mar 2005 : 22:18:51
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Responding to all in a single post, so please forgive the lack of large "Originally Posted by" quote blocks. I know it's an old thread, but since it's been revived, I may as well pipe in. 
Lord Rad, Azoun did indeed love Filfaeril, until the moment of his death. In the Realms, however, "open" marriages are more common, and far more leniency is shown to monarchs than common folk. The Obarskyr line is known for its dalliances, and has been for generations.
Faraer is correct; Filfaeril knows full well about Azoun's tendencies, and did before they were married (having fallen victim to his charms in her own youth). In Hand of Fire, Tessaril states in no uncertain terms that Filfaeril knows all about their affair. I am without my copy at the moment, so a page reference eludes me, but it's something about allowing Filfaeril to snoop, and having to consider herself a traitor if she didn't. (This, by the way, is likely the sort of thing that tempered Azoun's lust later in life, combined with his age, of course)
Elminster's Daughter, of course, picked up on the various threads of the above-mentioned novels. Let us all hope for more Cormyr fiction soon. |
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Ethriel
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 10 Mar 2005 : 23:54:45
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Yeah, the Obarskyrs've always been known for dalliances and Azoun was no exception.
However, Filfaeril didn't know as evidenced in 'Beyond the High Road'. It's implied she didn't know about how he cheated on her so much...the line went something like... 'But did her husband really love her? Filfaeril was neither deaf nor blind. She had heard rumors of noble children who bore uncanny resemblance to her husband...and she'd seen with her own eyes some were well founded."
I'd loooove to see Azoun try to explain some of this stuff to Elminster |
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 11 Mar 2005 : 00:03:48
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Hmm... if I remember correctly, Cormyr the novel had many "stories" of past kings being quite amourous with other ladies and cheating on their wives. In fact, the Azoun the First was almost killed by Sembian assassins because he betrayed Amedahast's trust!
Like many others have said, in Medieval times it's not uncommon for a man, especially a noble wiht lots of wealth and power to have more than one spouse or lover. I'm sure that Cormyr probably had laws on adultery, but who's going to force them on King Azoun IV?! Lol. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 11 Mar 2005 : 02:04:25
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| I asked a question about Filfaeril and Azoun and their relationship in Ed Greenwood's 2005 Q&A thread in the Chamber of Sages. I got a beautifully detailed response, though I don't remember what page it was on (maybe Kuje could copy and paste it here?). Anyway, Ed told me that Azoun always loved Filfaeril, that Filfaeril didn't mind his dalliances, and also that she often felt closer to the women he made love to--in other words, she didn't mind "sharing" her husband. |
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The Hooded One
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Posted - 11 Mar 2005 : 02:12:37
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Rinonalyrna, that response (posted through me, for scribes looking in vain down the left margin for Ed's name) can be viewed two-thirds of the way down page 15 of the Questions for Ed Greenwood (2005) thread in the Chamber of Sages. I agree, a beautiful response, and I recall Ed was very pleased at your asking that question.
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Garen Thal
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 11 Mar 2005 : 02:28:49
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Originally posted by Ethriel
Yeah, the Obarskyrs've always been known for dalliances and Azoun was no exception.
However, Filfaeril didn't know as evidenced in 'Beyond the High Road'. It's implied she didn't know about how he cheated on her so much...the line went something like... 'But did her husband really love her? Filfaeril was neither deaf nor blind. She had heard rumors of noble children who bore uncanny resemblance to her husband...and she'd seen with her own eyes some were well founded."
I'd loooove to see Azoun try to explain some of this stuff to Elminster
The quote you cite isn't a suggestion that Filfaeril didn't know about Azoun's activities; it's Boldovar reminding her of the fact that Azoun regularly cheated on her in the hopes of turning her to the ghazneths' cause.
And, as I've mentioned elsewhere several times before, Elminster is not Filfaeril's father, but a more distant ancestor. Not that Elminster would be one to talk, in any case... |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 11 Mar 2005 : 02:39:46
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Originally posted by The Hooded One
Rinonalyrna, that response (posted through me, for scribes looking in vain down the left margin for Ed's name) can be viewed two-thirds of the way down page 15 of the Questions for Ed Greenwood (2005) thread in the Chamber of Sages. I agree, a beautiful response, and I recall Ed was very pleased at your asking that question.
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And I was pleased with his answer. Thank you for pointing out where in Ed's thread that bit of lore can be found. |
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 11 Mar 2005 : 02:51:48
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Originally posted by DDH_101
Hmm... if I remember correctly, Cormyr the novel had many "stories" of past kings being quite amourous with other ladies and cheating on their wives.
Or as one of my players once put forth tales of many kings/princes "proving the Obarskyr bloodline runs true." |
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Ethriel
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 11 Mar 2005 : 03:00:47
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Ah, I see now...
I wonder what happened with Gantharla...after all, the next king was called 'The Bastard' |
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Garen Thal
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 11 Mar 2005 : 03:15:41
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Originally posted by Ethriel
I wonder what happened with Gantharla...after all, the next king was called 'The Bastard'
A very long story short, Roderin was known as The Bastard because Gantharla was not forthcoming as to precisely who his father was. Anything more would be to spoil some very interesting bits that will (hopefully) one day be revealed when the full Royal Lineage of Cormyr sees light. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 11 Mar 2005 : 03:45:38
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Originally posted by Garen Thal
Anything more would be to spoil some very interesting bits that will (hopefully) one day be revealed when the full Royal Lineage of Cormyr sees light.
Tease. |
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Garen Thal
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 11 Mar 2005 : 04:57:03
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A tease I may be, but I am bound by agreements both gentlemanly and otherwise to keep things secret that otherwise I would prefer to share. Such is the nature of my lurking.    |
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VEDSICA
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Posted - 12 Mar 2005 : 00:17:58
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| Hey in short form......It's good to be the king!!!!! |
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Thelonius
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Posted - 12 Mar 2005 : 11:28:29
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Indeed, Rad, the continuous prove of Azoun IV unfaithfulness doesn't mean he doesn't love filfaeril, you only must remember his attack of jelousy when he sees the queen with Bolfovar the mad, o that his beloved wife's name is the last word he says. I think that is more a genetical problem that a love one, in my opinion. And one question for advanced observers, who says filfaeril is a "loyal" queen too? Maybe she is only more carefull with her actions You know what I mean, long battle campains...,m the great loneliness in a giant castle...  |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 12 Mar 2005 : 16:52:15
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Ed Greenwood told me in his answer that Filfaeril was always faithful to Azoun. She was comforted by Alphondar (sp?) the Sage, and while his comfort was romantic in nature, she never actually made love to him. Ed Greenwood's thread in the Chamber of Sages is well worth reading for lore.
Filfaeril is with Alphondar now, but Azoun is dead and it only makes sense that she wouldn't want to be alone for the rest of her life.
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 12 Mar 2005 : 17:33:09
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Hey in short form......It's good to be the king!!!!!
Not to be flip, but from what Ed has said, it was good to be with the King, too. Having an Obarskyr bastard wasn't a negative thing. |
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VEDSICA
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Posted - 13 Mar 2005 : 18:16:51
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