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BloodAngel72
Acolyte
USA
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 Posted - 11 Jan 2010 : 19:14:20
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Wondering if anyone has any info or insight as to if pharaun mizzrym will be appearing in any future FR novels, possibly a series or trilogy involving kael or a second escape from the demonweb pits that he had returned to after the crystal mountain?? I find it quit a waste to end such an amazing character permanantly.
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
3567 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jan 2010 : 19:36:21
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Just noticed you posted this in two places after I anwered in you scroll over in FR chat. Im guessing on or the other will be sealed. This is actually a better spot for it though , I would suggest the mods close the other and let this one house your debate.
Here was my answer there :
I would say that it is highly unlilkely , given that in the book , the story almost went out of its own way to make sure that Phaerun died a second time. Anything is possible, but I dont see a plausible way out of that. Although, I myself wish that he had been allowed to survive.
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A little nonsense now and then, relished by the wisest men - Willy Wonka
"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -
John F. Kennedy, speech in Dublin, Ireland, June 28, 1963
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Edited by - The Red Walker on 11 Jan 2010 19:36:59 |
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BloodAngel72
Acolyte
USA
19 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jan 2010 : 20:10:58
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| Thankyou for the reply, i appreciate your advise and input as I am brand new to candlekeep. Well as much as i dont want to agree with you, im afraid that I must. It seems that way to me as well. Hopefully we are wrong though. I think it would make for a great story to expand on a new series or trilogy in which takes place in the demonweb pits starring at least Pharaun and maybe even Ryld (tell me thats not wishful thinking!). What really draws me to speculate on this notion is the wide possibilties that this new spellplague has left open. Apparently there are rifts being torn between planes with denizens slipping through into the prime material plane. Hopefully we get i nice motivated author to pickup on something like this to continue the legacy of characters such as Pharaun that seem to be in such a high demand. |
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BloodAngel72
Acolyte
USA
19 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jan 2010 : 20:46:08
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| Another element for continuation is a possible connection between kael and pharaun through the sorcere ring that was left to kael. That could even act as a blood connection as well as a magical connection maybe through a petrified piece of tissue or splotch of dna embedded in the grove of the ring. Just throwing my observations and speculations out there so please bare with me as i am genuinely curious as to what all of you think. |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
3567 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jan 2010 : 20:50:24
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| It might be cool if his consciousness was in the ring and Kael could "talk" to Phaerun once in a while. |
A little nonsense now and then, relished by the wisest men - Willy Wonka
"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -
John F. Kennedy, speech in Dublin, Ireland, June 28, 1963
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BloodAngel72
Acolyte
USA
19 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jan 2010 : 20:59:11
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| That right there is an increditable idea! I hope these authors are paying attention ! Lol |
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MrHedgehog
Senior Scribe
688 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jan 2010 : 04:58:02
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At first I thought it would suck to be stuck in a ring.
Then I remembered the afterlife Lolth rewards her followers with! |
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BloodAngel72
Acolyte
USA
19 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jan 2010 : 06:48:54
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| Lol, good point! |
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
USA
1378 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jan 2010 : 15:04:31
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| The Demonweb Pits were merely a setback. |
Still rockin' the Fey'ri style. |
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gomez
Learned Scribe
Netherlands
254 Posts |
Posted - 27 Jan 2010 : 09:31:25
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"It's only a flesh wound"
I still have to get to Crystal Mountain (am halfway the Gossamer Plains, will get there).
I admit Pharaun was interesting. Who knows, I may use him. I do have plans with the Demonweb Pits.
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BloodAngel72
Acolyte
USA
19 Posts |
Posted - 06 Feb 2010 : 16:35:15
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| A trilogy and/or series stemming from the demon web pits has great potential if placed in the care of the right author. A good story teller can work wonders with a story line such as that especially with Pharaun not to mention the need to follow up on Kael (whom has great potential as well). I am definately hoping for yet another incredible series involving these great characters. Please continue to share your thoughts/opinions and let me know of any official news in regards to this. |
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swifty
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
517 Posts |
Posted - 07 Feb 2010 : 10:21:48
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| that topic was such a tease.i thought it was gonna happen. |
go back to sleep america.everything is under control.heres american gladiators.watch this.shuttup. BILL HICKS. |
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BloodAngel72
Acolyte
USA
19 Posts |
Posted - 12 Feb 2010 : 20:17:32
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| LOL, well if respectable fans such as yourself keep posting comments such as this one, me might very well see a Pharaun series. |
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IZDemon
Acolyte
USA
4 Posts |
Posted - 15 Feb 2010 : 14:25:17
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| I'd love to see Pharaun again. He is one of my favorite characters. |
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draethe
Acolyte
Australia
12 Posts |
Posted - 24 Feb 2010 : 04:59:53
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Originally posted by IZDemon
I'd love to see Pharaun again. He is one of my favorite characters.
Here here. Pharaun was great value. One of my favourite characters and great anti-hero. I hope its not the last we see of him. |
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Dantrag
Learned Scribe
USA
141 Posts |
Posted - 25 Feb 2010 : 09:34:16
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| I agree completley, Pharaun was a character to rival Jarlaxle himself, and was very well constructed by the authors. It was a shame to see him go the first time. I ask the question , "why did they kill him?", his death wouldn't have changed the Lady Pentitent in the least bit(aside from how he enters the story). Good topic, got my blood pumpin!! ;) |
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Alystra Illianniis
Great Reader
USA
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BloodAngel72
Acolyte
USA
19 Posts |
Posted - 02 Mar 2010 : 21:28:20
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| Good to see that I am not the only one who feels so strongly about this. Please correct me if I am wrong but from what I understand, I am under the impression that FR authors review these forums from time to time. Maybe this will act as a petition to bring Pharaun back once and for all, lol. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36968 Posts |
Posted - 03 Mar 2010 : 00:45:12
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Originally posted by BloodAngel72
Good to see that I am not the only one who feels so strongly about this. Please correct me if I am wrong but from what I understand, I am under the impression that FR authors review these forums from time to time. Maybe this will act as a petition to bring Pharaun back once and for all, lol.
FR authors don't make that call -- someone at WotC would have to decide to have a Pharaun book written. And WotC has its own methodology for deciding what will be popular enough for them to take on -- an email or letter campaign might do it, if the volume is high enough, but that's not a guarantee. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 03 Mar 2010 : 01:16:45
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by BloodAngel72
Good to see that I am not the only one who feels so strongly about this. Please correct me if I am wrong but from what I understand, I am under the impression that FR authors review these forums from time to time. Maybe this will act as a petition to bring Pharaun back once and for all, lol.
FR authors don't make that call -- someone at WotC would have to decide to have a Pharaun book written. And WotC has its own methodology for deciding what will be popular enough for them to take on -- an email or letter campaign might do it, if the volume is high enough, but that's not a guarantee.
Indeed. Some scribes, in the past, have attempted the "petition-method" for certain authors and/or characters to make a comeback in the fiction. But experience has told us that while Wizards may appreciate such thinking from time to time, they largely have their own internal dynamics that determine just where and how [and even if] a beloved character may make his/her return.
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Edited by - The Sage on 03 Mar 2010 01:17:34 |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36968 Posts |
Posted - 03 Mar 2010 : 04:06:55
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| I should also like to note that an internet petition is usually worth the paper it's printed on. They simply aren't respected by anyone other than their signers, usually. |
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Dalor Darden
Great Reader
USA
4256 Posts |
Posted - 03 Mar 2010 : 04:40:45
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What number of novels do you think Wizards says is "the minimum" to consider running a book for?
What is their minimum number of "we have to sell this many, or this is a flop"?
Get that number of petitions, on real paper, and deliver it to them (in person...) and you might get your wish.  |
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BloodAngel72
Acolyte
USA
19 Posts |
Posted - 05 Mar 2010 : 22:17:44
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| Well I guess we can only hope then. I don't know exactly how WOTC authorities go about determining what is popular and what is not but I would guess that they would largely depend on what best sells in stores and I also imagine that they would pay particular attention to forums as well to see what stories and characters are most popular among their readers. It may be a long shot with this particular character (Pharaun Mizzrym), but then again I am just another nerd wanting his fantasy character back :) |
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Zireael
Master of Realmslore
Poland
1190 Posts |
Posted - 12 Apr 2010 : 10:32:31
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Well, with some things that happened in the Empyrean Odyssey, I don't think bringing Pharaun back is even possible.
I would have written more, but I'm new and don't know how to make a Spoiler here.
Zireael |
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Richard Lee Byers
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
1814 Posts |
Posted - 12 Apr 2010 : 20:17:08
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| In a high fantasy universe, you can always bring a character back. It may not be a good idea. You may not be able to do it a way that doesn't seem cheap or arbitrary. But you can do it. |
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yanic
Acolyte
Jamaica
8 Posts |
Posted - 13 Apr 2010 : 15:40:36
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| id love to see pharaun brought back, he was such a great character, its funny how writers are so quick to do away with interesting characters, yet the dull ones endure :( sigh |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36968 Posts |
Posted - 14 Apr 2010 : 04:04:15
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Originally posted by Richard Lee Byers
In a high fantasy universe, you can always bring a character back. It may not be a good idea. You may not be able to do it a way that doesn't seem cheap or arbitrary. But you can do it.
I think it was Faiths & Avatars that contained the line "In the Realms, death is not necessarily a career-ending injury." (or words to that effect).
And the City of Splendors boxed set notes that Nain Keenwhistler is the "current record holder for most resurrections of any citizen of Waterdeep". According to the lovely Lady Hooded One, his record stands at more than 20!  |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 14 Apr 2010 : 04:17:17
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Richard Lee Byers
In a high fantasy universe, you can always bring a character back. It may not be a good idea. You may not be able to do it a way that doesn't seem cheap or arbitrary. But you can do it.
I think it was Faiths & Avatars that contained the line "In the Realms, death is not necessarily a career-ending injury." (or words to that effect).
Close. "Death has been shown to by no means be a career-ending proposition for powers of the Realms." -- pg. 15. |
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Edited by - The Sage on 14 Apr 2010 04:18:22 |
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BloodAngel72
Acolyte
USA
19 Posts |
Posted - 18 Apr 2010 : 20:08:46
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| I must say I like where this is going! It is always an honor to have feedback on this thread especially from respected authors such as Mr Byers and Mr Gomez. |
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skychrome
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 12 May 2010 : 23:55:13
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I just finished The Crystal Mountain and I have to say that Pharaun is simply from another league! Which other characters can be as entertaining and grand as this one? This is what I have been missing all the way since finishing WotSQ.
This said, I think his end was pretty much unmotivated.
Anyways, I do not see why he should not appear again. There should be enough ways to replace his finger as a means.
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 13 May 2010 : 17:49:52
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Originally posted by yanic
id love to see pharaun brought back, he was such a great character, its funny how writers are so quick to do away with interesting characters, yet the dull ones endure :( sigh
At least not all the interesting characters in the realms are killed...But if ever they bring Pharaun back, it has to be for a sensible and far more interesting reasons than to rescue a lover. |
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Pharaun Mizzrym's own series?? ***possible spoiler
