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Hordak
Acolyte
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 Posted - 18 Oct 2009 : 14:44:56
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Just finished the Erevis Cale trilogy.
I liked the development of Erevis Cale and Riven. And I really liked Magadon.
But I got really tired of reading after the second book, because it stopped being exciting. The fact that I knew Azrim and Dolgan would get away no matter how closed they were to being killed just got boring. I mean they battled and escaped like 7 times!
It didn't work for me at all and I got really disapointed.
It felt like Paul S kemp loved the two villans so much he couldn't kill them. Every time I read teleportationrod I was screaming. Not because I was frustraded that Azrim and Dolgan got away, but because it was the same pattern every time.
Am I alone on this or did anyone else have the same issue?
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Lady Fellshot
Senior Scribe
USA
379 Posts |
Posted - 18 Oct 2009 : 17:19:36
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| No you aren't the only one who had that particular problem, though I managed without the screaming. I stopped after the second from a bad case of ennui and never felt the need to pick up the last one. Don't get me wrong, I liked the books up until I stopped, but I didn't feel the need to continue watching the downwards slide of all the characters. |
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Arion Elenim
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 18 Oct 2009 : 20:48:19
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Well my friend, I'm afraid the ending will surprise you. I think that's where Kemp wanted you - how the hell do we catch these guys?
Well...there's an answer. A thumping good one.
In other words, I highly recommend you finish. It's not pretty.
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My latest Realms-based short story, about a bard, a paladin of Lathander and the letter of the law, Debts Repaid. It takes place before the "shattering" and gives the bard Arion a last gasp before he plunges into the present.http://candlekeep.com/campaign/logs/log-debts.htm |
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skychrome
Senior Scribe
713 Posts |
Posted - 19 Oct 2009 : 02:04:47
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Originally posted by Hordak
Am I alone on this or did anyone else have the same issue?
Interesting you felt this way. I can understand it in case of Dolgan, but I always felt that the final showdown with Azrim will not happen before the end of the trilogy, so it did not bother me.
For me it has been by far the best FR series I have read, but it is only normal that opinions on this vary among readers. Anyways, I recommend finishing the series, Kemp always puts lots of surprises in his final books. |
"You make an intriguing offer, one that is very tempting. It would seem that I have little alternative than to answer thusly: DISINTEGRATE!" Vaarsuvius, Order of the Stick 625 |
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Hordak
Acolyte
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Posted - 19 Oct 2009 : 09:46:01
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Thank you for your response.
Well I did finish it and while there where some great things in the book, this still bothered me to no end.
I read the Twilight wars and those were some great book! So I am not saying Kemp is a bad writer, but as I read
the Twilight wars first, these were a bit of a disapointment. |
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swifty
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
517 Posts |
Posted - 20 Oct 2009 : 22:22:16
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| i havent read twilight war yet but i actually enjoyed shadows witness more than any of the cale trilogy. |
go back to sleep america.everything is under control.heres american gladiators.watch this.shuttup. BILL HICKS. |
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Thielan
Acolyte
Australia
25 Posts |
Posted - 21 Oct 2009 : 10:16:52
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| I agree that the Twilight War was probably better, but I think Paul S Kemp's writing style improved over that time. But despite that, the Erevis Cale trilogy were far from bad books, and the character development for Cale and Riven set up well for the Twilight War. |
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Hordak
Acolyte
17 Posts |
Posted - 21 Oct 2009 : 21:45:57
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Originally posted by Thielan
I agree that the Twilight War was probably better, but I think Paul S Kemp's writing style improved over that time. But despite that, the Erevis Cale trilogy were far from bad books, and the character development for Cale and Riven set up well for the Twilight War.
I agree! They were set up very well for the Twilight Wars, so was Magadon though I felt he wasted it a bit (I really liked Magadon in the Erevis Cale trilogy).
Thing is that there were some great scenes and great character development in the trilogy, but the combat scenes with Dolgan and Azrim felt like the same after their second clash and that left about five clashes were the outcome was predictable each time. IMO
The most exciting character, to me, in the Twilight wars, was Abelar(sp?)
His story had me going! They are many we are few! |
You're so dull |
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Firestorm
Senior Scribe
Canada
826 Posts |
Posted - 22 Oct 2009 : 04:19:47
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Originally posted by Hordak
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Originally posted by Thielan
I agree that the Twilight War was probably better, but I think Paul S Kemp's writing style improved over that time. But despite that, the Erevis Cale trilogy were far from bad books, and the character development for Cale and Riven set up well for the Twilight War.
I agree! They were set up very well for the Twilight Wars, so was Magadon though I felt he wasted it a bit (I really liked Magadon in the Erevis Cale trilogy).
Thing is that there were some great scenes and great character development in the trilogy, but the combat scenes with Dolgan and Azrim felt like the same after their second clash and that left about five clashes were the outcome was predictable each time. IMO
The most exciting character, to me, in the Twilight wars, was Abelar(sp?)
His story had me going! They are many we are few!
Really? I always felt like Cale's group was chipping away at the Slaadi group slowly and I never got bored.
First Elura(And Vraggen dies by another's hand), then Serrin, leaving Azrrim and Dolgan for the big showdown, as well as of course, the Sojourner. An Elminster epic level psionicist/Wizard.
Whoever said they stopped after the first 2 books in the trilogy really sells themselves short. Midnight's Mask is one of my favorite realms books period. |
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Thielan
Acolyte
Australia
25 Posts |
Posted - 24 Oct 2009 : 02:14:43
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Really? I always felt like Cale's group was chipping away at the Slaadi group slowly and I never got bored.
First Elura(And Vraggen dies by another's hand), then Serrin, leaving Azrrim and Dolgan for the big showdown, as well as of course, the Sojourner. An Elminster epic level psionicist/Wizard.
Whoever said they stopped after the first 2 books in the trilogy really sells themselves short. Midnight's Mask is one of my favorite realms books period.
To be honest, I loved Midnight's Mask, and the final scenes as still some of my favourites from any book, but I thought that taken as a whole, the Twilight War eclipsed the Erevis Cale trilogy, and the conclusion was even better. But that's just a personal opinion, and I woud still highly recommend the original trilogy, and definitely to read it before the Twilight war. |
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swifty
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
517 Posts |
Posted - 24 Oct 2009 : 10:36:27
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| any word on a new trilogy from paul kemp cale or otherwise? |
go back to sleep america.everything is under control.heres american gladiators.watch this.shuttup. BILL HICKS. |
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Arion Elenim
Senior Scribe
933 Posts |
Posted - 24 Oct 2009 : 16:17:37
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Yup. Godborn - book one of the Cycle of Night. Check out his blog for the intro sample.
CAN'T. FRIGGING. WAIT. |
My latest Realms-based short story, about a bard, a paladin of Lathander and the letter of the law, Debts Repaid. It takes place before the "shattering" and gives the bard Arion a last gasp before he plunges into the present.http://candlekeep.com/campaign/logs/log-debts.htm |
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Firestorm
Senior Scribe
Canada
826 Posts |
Posted - 25 Oct 2009 : 01:41:28
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Originally posted by swifty
any word on a new trilogy from paul kemp cale or otherwise?
http://paulskemp.livejournal.com/
http://pics.livejournal.com/paulskemp/pic/0000xzbk
Second Article down has the new cover art for Godborn, which will follow Vasen Coriver. Cale's son apparently(I like that varra named him after Cale's true name), whom Mask stored some of his divine power within while he was still in the womb before sending him to the future.
Christ does he ever look cool in the cover. |
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Hordak
Acolyte
17 Posts |
Posted - 25 Oct 2009 : 05:43:06
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Originally posted by Firestorm
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Originally posted by Hordak
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Originally posted by Thielan
I agree that the Twilight War was probably better, but I think Paul S Kemp's writing style improved over that time. But despite that, the Erevis Cale trilogy were far from bad books, and the character development for Cale and Riven set up well for the Twilight War.
I agree! They were set up very well for the Twilight Wars, so was Magadon though I felt he wasted it a bit (I really liked Magadon in the Erevis Cale trilogy).
Thing is that there were some great scenes and great character development in the trilogy, but the combat scenes with Dolgan and Azrim felt like the same after their second clash and that left about five clashes were the outcome was predictable each time. IMO
The most exciting character, to me, in the Twilight wars, was Abelar(sp?)
His story had me going! They are many we are few!
Really? I always felt like Cale's group was chipping away at the Slaadi group slowly and I never got bored.
First Elura(And Vraggen dies by another's hand), then Serrin, leaving Azrrim and Dolgan for the big showdown, as well as of course, the Sojourner. An Elminster epic level psionicist/Wizard.
Whoever said they stopped after the first 2 books in the trilogy really sells themselves short. Midnight's Mask is one of my favorite realms books period.
Good sir, I did read all three books, I just stated that the excitement wasn't there after the second book, for when they clashed with Azrim and Dolgan, because the outcome was the same each time. Imo
But I did like the books and think they had a lot of great scenes in them. I guess that was why I was so frustrated with the lack of progress for the good guys.
Ofcourse a lot comes down to taste and the way the story went wasn't my favorite. |
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Kno
Senior Scribe
452 Posts |
Posted - 26 Oct 2009 : 16:21:02
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| Honestly I didn't find the way how the story developed in both trilogies very exciting and stopped after Shadowstorm. The basic ideas were great, for example the old gith, Mags, some aspects of Riven's personality and the place where was the first chosen of Mask. |
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Dantrag
Learned Scribe
USA
141 Posts |
Posted - 28 Oct 2009 : 20:45:03
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| So far(though i haven't finished it) Shadow realm is shaping up nicely. Keeps you guessing and i have no idea what is going to happen |
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scererar
Master of Realmslore
USA
1618 Posts |
Posted - 01 Nov 2009 : 16:02:47
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| truly loved all of the novels featuring Cale and crew. |
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Brynweir
Senior Scribe
USA
436 Posts |
Posted - 01 Nov 2009 : 21:57:59
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Originally posted by scererar
truly loved all of the novels featuring Cale and crew.
I have to agree. Cale is my favorite Realms character of all time so far.  |
Anyone who likes to read something that's really dark and gritty and completely awesome ought to read The Night Angel Trilogy by Brent Weeks. You can check out a little taste at www.BrentWeeks.com I should probably warn you, though, that it is definitely not PG-13 :-D
He also started a new Trilogy with Black Prism, which may even surpass the Night Angel Trilogy in its awesomeness.
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draethe
Acolyte
Australia
12 Posts |
Posted - 12 Nov 2009 : 02:28:49
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| The twilight war series was better than the first trilogy in my opinion. But that doesnt mean i found the erevis trilogy disappointing. I think the plot and characters just developed really well from one to the next. I would rate kemp as the finest writer in the realms at the moment. His style just really works for me. Cant wait to see where he gos in the next series. |
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Arion Elenim
Senior Scribe
933 Posts |
Posted - 12 Nov 2009 : 02:53:14
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Originally posted by Arion Elenim
Yup. Godborn - book one of the Cycle of Night. Check out his blog for the intro sample.
CAN'T. FRIGGING. WAIT.
Yeah. Looks like. I'M. DIS. APPOINTED. |
My latest Realms-based short story, about a bard, a paladin of Lathander and the letter of the law, Debts Repaid. It takes place before the "shattering" and gives the bard Arion a last gasp before he plunges into the present.http://candlekeep.com/campaign/logs/log-debts.htm |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
3563 Posts |
Posted - 12 Nov 2009 : 22:31:55
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Originally posted by draethe
The twilight war series was better than the first trilogy in my opinion. But that doesnt mean i found the erevis trilogy disappointing. I think the plot and characters just developed really well from one to the next. I would rate kemp as the finest writer in the realms at the moment. His style just really works for me. Cant wait to see where he gos in the next series.
sorry to have to tellyou then that Kemp has severed ties with the realms and the new trilogy is DOA
There is a scroll around here explainin it, but I don't have time to link it here. |
A little nonsense now and then, relished by the wisest men - Willy Wonka
"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -
John F. Kennedy, speech in Dublin, Ireland, June 28, 1963
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
3563 Posts |
Posted - 13 Nov 2009 : 01:04:47
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Here it is : http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13034
Sad news indeed, but Paul said it was amicable, so that's theway it goes sometimes.
Although I really wish I had read the exerpt , does anyone happen to have it? |
A little nonsense now and then, relished by the wisest men - Willy Wonka
"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -
John F. Kennedy, speech in Dublin, Ireland, June 28, 1963
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draethe
Acolyte
Australia
12 Posts |
Posted - 13 Nov 2009 : 02:53:51
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| Im so disappointed to hear this news it would have been an awesome series. This series and reclamation were the books i was most looking forward to in the realms and both have been canned. |
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MrsDrasek
Acolyte
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Posted - 14 Nov 2009 : 01:43:20
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| I too am a little beside myself as I was also looking forward to the series as well. Paul has always been my favorite author in the realms It will take some time for me to get over the shock. However I loved all of the books thus far, and I only have one left to finish. |
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Frustrations on Erevis Cale trilogy (Spoilers)
