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Kriegan CrunchKnuckle
Acolyte
USA
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 Posted - 01 Sep 2009 : 18:20:27
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At the end of the Orc King, did time skip a hundred years? If so, Catti bree is dead, and so is Artemis, which won't bode well for me...Just let me know, hopefull i am mistaken.
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 01 Sep 2009 : 19:34:00
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| You are not mistaken, that's what Wizards decided last year when they released the 4e version of FR. |
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Hawkins
Great Reader
USA
2131 Posts |
Posted - 01 Sep 2009 : 19:40:53
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| It was only the prologue and epilogue of the Orc King that took place around 1479 DR. The rest of the novel was set in 1372. As was the subsequent novel the Pirate King (well, it might have been 1373, but it definitely wasn't 1479). I am not sure when the upcoming novel, the Ghost King, take place, but I think it is around 1380 (or is it 1385) during or right after the Spellplague. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 02 Sep 2009 : 00:55:34
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Kriegan, you might also want to search the archives here at Candlekeep, since this particular part of The Orc King novel has been thoroughly discussed in these halls before.
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Kriegan CrunchKnuckle
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 02 Sep 2009 : 01:22:45
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| So regardless, im sure these are the last three books with wulfgar, artemis, and catti bree?... Man that is sad, this series got me started in the realms, and i hate to see them go. |
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Kriegan CrunchKnuckle
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 02 Sep 2009 : 01:23:21
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| Oh and thank you sage i will check them out |
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SeeDiGi
Acolyte
Bermuda
34 Posts |
Posted - 08 Sep 2009 : 17:17:40
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| Unless he is allowed to make more books before 4e when time changes or he invents some kind of corny way to make those people travel into the future or able to live (think comic books) then yeah. Probably. |
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Hawkins
Great Reader
USA
2131 Posts |
Posted - 08 Sep 2009 : 17:33:58
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| Well. From the prologue and epilogue, we know that Drizzt survives into the new era, though Bruenor's status seems doubtful from Drizzt's comments in said bits of text. The races of everyone else are rather short-lived, so I do not think that that would make it. Though I have heard it rumored that either the Ghost King or the book after (if there is one) is the last book RAS is contracted to write, so he might just not write Realms novels after that point. He has very many successful non-Realmsian books, so it is not like he needs the WotC contract anymore. I (with my dislike of the 4E Realms) think that this would be the better route. Though if there is one last book after the Ghost King that he is obligated to write, I can see WotC making sure it is set in the 4e Realms. And if that happens, it make be the only RAS Realms novel that I will not buy. Or maybe it will be the only 4e Realms novel I buy. I really can't say. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36880 Posts |
Posted - 08 Sep 2009 : 17:57:42
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Well. From the prologue and epilogue, we know that Drizzt survives into the new era, though Bruenor's status seems doubtful from Drizzt's comments in said bits of text. The races of everyone else are rather short-lived, so I do not think that that would make it. Though I have heard it rumored that either the Ghost King or the book after (if there is one) is the last book RAS is contracted to write, so he might just not write Realms novels after that point. He has very many successful non-Realmsian books, so it is not like he needs the WotC contract anymore. I (with my dislike of the 4E Realms) think that this would be the better route. Though if there is one last book after the Ghost King that he is obligated to write, I can see WotC making sure it is set in the 4e Realms. And if that happens, it make be the only RAS Realms novel that I will not buy. Or maybe it will be the only 4e Realms novel I buy. I really can't say.
Keep in mind that there's nothing preventing a new contract. I'd actually be surprised if he doesn't continue writing Realms novels, since WotC has made a lot of money on the Drizzt books. I can't see them letting that moneystream end, and they've already shown once that they're willing to have someone else create a Drizzt novel. RAS came back once because of that, so I think he'd come back again if they pulled that maneuver a second time. |
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Hawkins
Great Reader
USA
2131 Posts |
Posted - 08 Sep 2009 : 20:02:12
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Keep in mind that there's nothing preventing a new contract. I'd actually be surprised if he doesn't continue writing Realms novels, since WotC has made a lot of money on the Drizzt books. I can't see them letting that moneystream end, and they've already shown once that they're willing to have someone else create a Drizzt novel. RAS came back once because of that, so I think he'd come back again if they pulled that maneuver a second time.
Considering how successful a writer he is outside the Realms, and depending on his opinions about the modis operandi WotC used to bring in the 4e Realms and how that has affected his characters, I can see him going either way. Many authors who began as franchise authors then break with said franchises (Michael A. Stackpole comes to mind). |
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He went galumphing back. --Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36880 Posts |
Posted - 09 Sep 2009 : 03:53:31
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Keep in mind that there's nothing preventing a new contract. I'd actually be surprised if he doesn't continue writing Realms novels, since WotC has made a lot of money on the Drizzt books. I can't see them letting that moneystream end, and they've already shown once that they're willing to have someone else create a Drizzt novel. RAS came back once because of that, so I think he'd come back again if they pulled that maneuver a second time.
Considering how successful a writer he is outside the Realms, and depending on his opinions about the modis operandi WotC used to bring in the 4e Realms and how that has affected his characters, I can see him going either way. Many authors who began as franchise authors then break with said franchises (Michael A. Stackpole comes to mind).
True, but in most cases, another author isn't tapped to use the creation of the first author. As I said, that happened once with RAS already, when he was on the outs with TSR/WotC. And as part of that deal's resolution, that other book has never seen print.
I don't see WotC letting Drizzt go. And as long as they are going to keep publishing him, then RAS is going to be writing him. |
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Sandro
Learned Scribe
New Zealand
266 Posts |
Posted - 09 Sep 2009 : 22:31:08
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"Gods, little fishes, and spells to turn the one to the other," Mordenkainen sighed. "It's started already..." |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36880 Posts |
Posted - 10 Sep 2009 : 06:48:56
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I dunno... I wouldn't put it past Salvatore to end Drizzt's run if he feels that he can't continue with him in 4e, especially as it destroys the Companions of the Hall. I suppose we'll see how TGK is written, but I've a feeling that it could easily be the end of the line. Besides, from the parts in TOK, it hardly sounds like Drizzt's life is overly interesting in the 4e Realms.
The problem is that RAS doesn't own Drizzt -- WotC does. It's already happened once that they wanted a Drizzt book and RAS wasn't willing, and they handed the project to someone else.
It's in WotC's best interest to keep RAS writing about Drizzt. Drizzt is their most successful character, and in part because of him, RAS is a New York Times bestselling author.
So I find it highly unlikely that we'll see an end to Drizzt, or see him written by anyone other than RAS. |
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Sandro
Learned Scribe
New Zealand
266 Posts |
Posted - 11 Sep 2009 : 06:24:03
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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I dunno... I wouldn't put it past Salvatore to end Drizzt's run if he feels that he can't continue with him in 4e, especially as it destroys the Companions of the Hall. I suppose we'll see how TGK is written, but I've a feeling that it could easily be the end of the line. Besides, from the parts in TOK, it hardly sounds like Drizzt's life is overly interesting in the 4e Realms.
The problem is that RAS doesn't own Drizzt -- WotC does. It's already happened once that they wanted a Drizzt book and RAS wasn't willing, and they handed the project to someone else.
It's in WotC's best interest to keep RAS writing about Drizzt. Drizzt is their most successful character, and in part because of him, RAS is a New York Times bestselling author.
So I find it highly unlikely that we'll see an end to Drizzt, or see him written by anyone other than RAS.
Mm, you make a good point. The only problem I see with continuing Drizzt straight into 4e is that, unless he kills them all in TGK, we will either get some short blurb about how Catti-brie, Bruenor, Regis, and Wulfgar end up dying -- or simply have to accept that they either died of old age or the spellplague. Neither of these solutions seems to be something Salvatore would like -- after twenty years of adventure, could you imagine him not being aloud to write the companions' final adventure (a moot point, of course, if they die in TGK)?
Of course, this raises another question: would WotC allow Salvatore to continue writing in the time between the 3e and 4e Realms in order to keep him and Drizzt? |
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Thauramarth
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
732 Posts |
Posted - 11 Sep 2009 : 14:17:20
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It's been a long while since I read any of the RAS books, but didn't one or more of those characters already die? Only to be brought back...
Depends on how you define "die"? Bruenor was thought dead at one point (making a very Gandalf-like plunge through Garumn's Gorge), and so was Wulfgar (I believe that he was dragged into the Abyss, and was not dead per se; he was held by Lolth, and then handed over to Errtu). |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 11 Sep 2009 : 14:19:42
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Originally posted by Thauramarth
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Originally posted by capnvan
It's been a long while since I read any of the RAS books, but didn't one or more of those characters already die? Only to be brought back...
Depends on how you define "die"? Bruenor was thought dead at one point (making a very Gandalf-like plunge through Garumn's Gorge), and so was Wulfgar (I believe that he was dragged into the Abyss, and was not dead per se; he was held by Lolth, and then handed over to Errtu).
Don't forget that Bruenor was thought dead by Drizzt for most of the Hunter's Blades trilogy after the collapse of the tower in Thousand Orcs. |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 11 Sep 2009 : 14:22:59
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Originally posted by Kriegan CrunchKnuckle
At the end of the Orc King, did time skip a hundred years? If so, Catti bree is dead, and so is Artemis, which won't bode well for me...Just let me know, hopefull i am mistaken.
There has been much speculation on Catti-brie and Artemis' fates, both here and on the WotC boards. Since Catti is studying wizardry from Alustriel, it's been put forth that she'll have some access to longevity spells/scrolls/potions/whatever to extend her lifespand. And Artemis has that 'Shade blood' in him after he killed the shade assassin, which was said to 'increase his vigor', making him look and feel younger. |
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swifty
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
517 Posts |
Posted - 11 Sep 2009 : 22:46:06
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| it would be such a cop out if she survives.please ras just kill her off. |
go back to sleep america.everything is under control.heres american gladiators.watch this.shuttup. BILL HICKS. |
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Brynweir
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 12 Sep 2009 : 02:57:10
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I hate to say it, but I think I'd rather see her die, as well. As much as the romantic in me wants to see a happy ending, the rest of me wants to see her die and let Drizzt deal with the loss just like everybody else. I want to see him refined by that fire. Let's see how he handles it and how it changes him...
Although Artemis with shade blood is an interesting prospect, and he's been a fave of mine, I think I'd also like to see a new villain. |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 12 Sep 2009 : 04:39:23
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I'm a huge fan of Drizzt and the Companions and all of it.
But, I too want to see an end to this story. Have Drizzt fade into the woods, possibly at Mooshie's old treehouse, training new rangers and passing the torch. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 12 Sep 2009 : 05:52:19
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But, I too want to see an end to this story. Have Drizzt fade into the woods, possibly at Mooshie's old treehouse, training new rangers and passing the torch.
That's an idea I can get behind. Kinda like what we're seeing with Luke Skywalker in the "Fate of the Jedi" series at the moment. A long established character who is slowly taking a less active role in major events of the world around him -- taking a back-seat approach, while making room for the next generation.
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Mr. Coyote
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 02 Oct 2009 : 18:19:58
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| Twisted by the long life (I cant tell how old drow get from the books) of loss and misadventer the old ranger goes to work one last time. He returns to unit his race and lead them to war agianst the "evil" surface races that have cost his so much. I know (Only being 4 1/2 books in to the Drizzt sage) that probably not going to happen, but then agian Drow are sneaky and so is there goddess. |
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