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Nightseer
Acolyte
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 Posted - 04 Jul 2009 : 11:05:34
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http://www.enworld.org/forum/general-rpg-discussion/258655-new-d-d-4th-edition-updates-old-3-5-products.html
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From the Halfling over at Enworld.com
I found this post from Chris Perkins on the WotC boards:
That's correct. The following updates will release in July:
Exemplars of Evil
Elder Evils
Fortress of the Yuan-ti
Stormreach
Dragons of Eberron
Anauroch
Normally I'd say "Better late than never," but these are pretty damn late. Again, profuse apologies. We suck.
Chris
I agree they do suck! 
Now Eberron will have 5 books for 4th Edition. 
Wizards plan on only updating the 3rd book of the Forgotten Realms super adventure trilogy? 
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Edited by - Nightseer on 04 Jul 2009 15:08:15
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 04 Jul 2009 : 15:43:08
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Considering the Spellplauge is suppose to explain the "rules changes" in the Realms, its kind of odd that they convert an adventure that is suppose to occur before the Spellplague to the 4E ruleset. I'm not saying that you can't use 4E for previous "eras," just that WOTC's official line seemed to have been that there needed to be an explanation for how the rules mechanics changed.
I always assumed that the reason they even promised a 4E conversion of that book oh so long ago was to keep people that were hesitant to buy new 3.5 material interested in buying that material when 4E came out. Honestly, I can see converting the rest of them to 4E, but Anauroch really doesn't make much sense to convert, at least the way I look at it. |
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 04 Jul 2009 : 15:51:49
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
Considering the Spellplauge is suppose to explain the "rules changes" in the Realms, its kind of odd that they convert an adventure that is suppose to occur before the Spellplague to the 4E ruleset. I'm not saying that you can't use 4E for previous "eras," just that WOTC's official line seemed to have been that there needed to be an explanation for how the rules mechanics changed.
I always assumed that the reason they even promised a 4E conversion of that book oh so long ago was to keep people that were hesitant to buy new 3.5 material interested in buying that material when 4E came out. Honestly, I can see converting the rest of them to 4E, but Anauroch really doesn't make much sense to convert, at least the way I look at it.
The other thing is that 3e and 4e encounters are designed and run very differently. 4e is much harsher on long dungeon crawls than even 3e was - something like Spellgard, which took a level or two in 2e/3e is good for 3 in 4e, and it's not optimized well from a play perspective.
Edit: Towards that end, I'd be interested to see how playable Anauroch will be in 4e. |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 04 Jul 2009 : 16:01:09
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From that perspective, Fortress of the Yuan-ti will be interesting as well, considering its an adventure, to see if the conversion is a "straight" conversion or something that does actually alter encounter design to better fit 4E.
One thing that struck me was that it would be difficult for WOTC to convert the entire run of the "Super Adventures" to 4E, because of the various altered Weave effects in the other adventures, which 4E doesn't do well, since there is really no mechanic for anti-magic. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 04 Jul 2009 : 16:12:15
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Out of curiosity...
Are these going to be web enhancements? If so, will they be free, or for DDI people only?
And are they doing more than just this one batch? |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 04 Jul 2009 : 16:30:56
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Out of curiosity...
Are these going to be web enhancements? If so, will they be free, or for DDI people only?
And are they doing more than just this one batch?
These were all of the 3.5 books that came out after they announced 4E was on its way (after Gen Con two years ago), and at that time they promised that everything from that point on would have "updates" posted on the DDI to make them 4E compatible.
So it should just be those books, and it is probably just going to be posted on the DDI. I doubt it will be much more than posting a few statblocks and case by case conversions, since they did specifically say "updates" and not "4E versions" of those products. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 04 Jul 2009 : 17:57:34
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#1 - The books had the "get more on DDi" thing written in them, which leads me to believe that they did this for legal reasons because technically, that was false advertising, since they never bothered to put any enhancements for those products on the DDi).
#2 - Its annoying, because the DDi was still free when that text was included in those tomes, which means you now have to pay for the DDi to get the info you were originally supposed to get for free.
Either way - whether they feel 'bound' to do this now, or they just want to give 3e users some incentive for paying for the DDi, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth (unless they place it in the free section of the site... but somehow I doubt they will). |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Kajehase
Great Reader
Sweden
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Posted - 07 Jul 2009 : 12:36:23
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| I'm not sure I can see a reason why updating a 3.5 product with 4th edition rules should be seen as an incentive aimed at 3.5 users... |
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Arion Elenim
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 07 Jul 2009 : 19:21:37
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| I'm waiting for them to update some 4.0 to 3.5, personally. :) |
My latest Realms-based short story, about a bard, a paladin of Lathander and the letter of the law, Debts Repaid. It takes place before the "shattering" and gives the bard Arion a last gasp before he plunges into the present.http://candlekeep.com/campaign/logs/log-debts.htm |
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Jakk
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 24 Jul 2009 : 02:38:12
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Originally posted by Arion Elenim
I'm waiting for them to update some 4.0 to 3.5, personally. :)
Heh. Now *that* would be an upgrade... kind of like upgrading Windows Vista to Windows XP... 
[edit] To clarify... yes, it was an upgrade to replace Vista with XP when Vista was new (for about the first 9-12 months of its existence). I worked as a computer tech at that time, and all Vista did initially was make everything look pretty and function horribly... sound familiar? Now that "Windows 7" is coming out, I'm seriously looking at... sticking with XP. One of these days I may go for a real upgrade and switch to Linux... or ditch my PC altogether and go back to a Mac, now that I don't play computer games any more. Oh, and congrats on 900 posts, Arion! [/edit] |
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Quale
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 09 Aug 2009 : 15:22:23
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| Of all the books they pick Anauroch. |
Edited by - Quale on 09 Aug 2009 15:22:51 |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
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Quale
Master of Realmslore
1757 Posts |
Posted - 11 Aug 2009 : 20:20:59
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| No matter that it's the worst FR product ever. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36876 Posts |
Posted - 12 Aug 2009 : 01:27:33
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Originally posted by Quale
No matter that it's the worst FR product ever.
That's certainly a strong opinion... I can't say I share it. I had no real issues with any of these three modules, other than the fact that everything the PCs did was brushed aside by later events. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 12 Aug 2009 : 01:37:14
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Quale
No matter that it's the worst FR product ever.
That's certainly a strong opinion... I can't say I share it. I had no real issues with any of these three modules, other than the fact that everything the PCs did was brushed aside by later events.
Indeed. And I still find the updated Anauroch-based lore in the "Appendix" somewhat useful.
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
USA
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Quale
Master of Realmslore
1757 Posts |
Posted - 19 Aug 2009 : 10:42:46
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| Handling of the iconic FR plots (sharns, artifacts etc.) was too much for me. A ''powergamers'' dream. |
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Wizards to update some 3.5 products to 4E.
