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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 01 May 2009 :  18:40:14  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I dunno... If they had to flee the city, what's going to make them think they suddenly have the forces to retake it a few years later? Considering how long it takes them to make decisions (they didn't Retreat until 600 years after the city fell!), I don't think they would have even seriously contemplated going back to Myth Drannor for a very long time. Had it not been for the attacks of the fey'ri, I don't think the topic of retaking Myth Drannor would have even come up for a couple centuries after 1375.

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Knight of the Gate
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Posted - 01 May 2009 :  19:02:13  Show Profile Send Knight of the Gate a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

I dunno... If they had to flee the city, what's going to make them think they suddenly have the forces to retake it a few years later? Considering how long it takes them to make decisions (they didn't Retreat until 600 years after the city fell!), I don't think they would have even seriously contemplated going back to Myth Drannor for a very long time. Had it not been for the attacks of the fey'ri, I don't think the topic of retaking Myth Drannor would have even come up for a couple centuries after 1375.


My idea was that they KNEW that they didn't have the forces to retake the city; Which is why they were planning on an almost millenial scale, and were first concerned with defending Evermeet from a similar attack, and then, having secured a locus from which they could recruit, train, equip, and deploy a force to retake the city, set about doing so, hundreds of years later. What I'm trying to convey is 1) the Elves are capable of (and tend to) plan over vast expanses of time and 2) the Crusade didn't 'just spring up overnight in the wake of several disasters to the elves' but, rather was planned meticulously for almost 600 years. And included in my proposal was the idea that the Retreat wasn't really what it was seen to be by humans- rather, the elves leaving the mainland were heading to Evermeet to a)bolster its defenses or b) join the Crusade.
As I said, I'm aware that I'm not exactly the foremost authority on the elves in the Realms, but to me this makes a heck of a lot more sense than 'Hey, what was that city we've been pining over for the better part of the last Millenium? Myth Drasomething? Let's go resettle that.' that canon lore gives us. Or maybe not. This IS all off the top of my head.

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 01 May 2009 :  21:26:04  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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As I said, I'm aware that I'm not exactly the foremost authority on the elves in the Realms, but to me this makes a heck of a lot more sense than 'Hey, what was that city we've been pining over for the better part of the last Millenium? Myth Drasomething? Let's go resettle that.' that canon lore gives us. Or maybe not. This IS all off the top of my head.



It was because of the fey'ri that they decided to retake Myth Drannor... And it wasn't as much a crusade to retake the city, as I recall, as it was to stop the fey'ri.

If the elves were so gung ho about retaking a lost city, I don't think they would have picked Myth Drannor, first. They've got other lost cities, particularly Myth Glaurach, which wasn't as populated by nastiness.

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Knight of the Gate
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Posted - 01 May 2009 :  21:34:51  Show Profile Send Knight of the Gate a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I totally agree, Wooly: Having said that, I was trying to make sense of the whole thing. If it was all about whacking the fey'ri, it doesn't require re-taking MD. Like I said, I was just trying to make sense of the seemingly precipitous actions on the part of a race known for not acting precipitously.

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Markustay
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Posted - 02 May 2009 :  01:25:20  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Instead of finding fault with things bcause of Elven nature, just use it.

The Elves lost to begin with because they were totally unprepared, and un-like humans who can react spontaneously to any situation and adapt (and thats built into the racial profile), they opted to retreat and think things through.

The Elves NEED to prepare long in advance for any major undertaking, and thats why they fled. Elves think in terms of decades, not years - which is why The Retreat was just that - a tactical retreat from the field (and their city) until the could better assess the situation and carry out the most effective counter-attack.

And being Elves, that took 500 years!


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Ashe Ravenheart
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Posted - 02 May 2009 :  03:50:38  Show Profile Send Ashe Ravenheart a Private Message  Reply with Quote
So, here's my take on the 'quickness'. I'm thinking that you're dealing with a lot of 'young elves' that want to retake their parent's best dream to 'make daddy proud' as it were. Evereska and all that showed the elders that they *did* know how to handle themselves, so they used that good press to turn around and go for the gold and get Myth Drannor back.

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