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Ghost King
Learned Scribe
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 Posted - 17 Apr 2009 : 06:20:58
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| Heh, I understand. Had my fair share with bad saves at bad times. A dwarf fighter I played once comes to mind. A bag of holding and a portable hole got the big boom around him. And of course Reflex was my worst save with a 9 dex to get behind the only cover that would have (if the damage had been low) saved my life. Well needless to say, that dwarf saw the Astral plane alright, up close and personal for a split second before becoming a permanent resident. |
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Penknight
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 17 Apr 2009 : 06:26:24
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Originally posted by Ghost King
Heh, I understand. Had my fair share with bad saves at bad times. A dwarf fighter I played once comes to mind. A bag of holding and a portable hole got the big boom around him. And of course Reflex was my worst save with a 9 dex to get behind the only cover that would have (if the damage had been low) saved my life. Well needless to say, that dwarf saw the Astral plane alright, up close and personal for a split second before becoming a permanent resident.
Been there!  I had a 2nd Edition character a few years ago (his name is given after the quote I came up with for him below). We were fighting a dragon that decided dropping a huge chunk of rock on top of us was a great idea. My follower and I were standing side by side and had to roll a save. I of course got to roll both and rolled two 1's for our saves. I was resurrected, but it took a while... |
Telethian Phoenix
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Barshevy
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 17 Apr 2009 : 07:01:22
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Originally posted by Ghost King
Edit: Er, I just remembered I'll be unable to post until late (Central Time) tomorrow anyways. Question though, will side quests be done publicly as well or in secret for future notice?
Side quests will be done on this thread, but written in beige color like this : spoilers ahoy ! So only the participants should highlight and read it. |
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Tyr
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 17 Apr 2009 : 09:12:26
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Wouldn't it be easier doing it via PM? As it creates a direct link between DM and PC.
Also, would anyone like me to novelize the posts, like a campaign journal or something? |
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Penknight
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 17 Apr 2009 : 10:11:47
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Originally posted by Tyr
Wouldn't it be easier doing it via PM? As it creates a direct link between DM and PC.
Also, would anyone like me to novelize the posts, like a campaign journal or something?
I prefer having stuff up for everyone to read, actually. That is, if they're interested. Especially for those that might be reading through what all our characters are experiencing. Also, my PM box is kinda full, and I have a lot of stuff there that I'd rather not have to delete. That's my thoughts on it, at least.
As for the journals, I think it's a wonderful idea. I'd really like to see something along those lines about our characters.  |
Telethian Phoenix
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Edited by - Penknight on 17 Apr 2009 12:46:36 |
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Barshevy
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 17 Apr 2009 : 12:38:17
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Originally posted by Tyr
Wouldn't it be easier doing it via PM? As it creates a direct link between DM and PC.
Also, would anyone like me to novelize the posts, like a campaign journal or something?
That would be awesome, Tyr!
Also, it would be easier for you to follow the sub-quests if they were on the thread, instead of PM. |
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Hoondatha
Great Reader
USA
2450 Posts |
Posted - 17 Apr 2009 : 13:37:46
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Hi all.
As Barshevy alluded, I worked on the spreadsheet last night. Some of what I did was just formatting, making things easier to read, however I did add a lot of information. For instance, I put in everyone's saving throws, and tracked down everyones' kits to do a brief run-down of major abilities. Please check my work, and let Barshevy know if I missed something or got something wrong.
Also, Kuje, I didn't know if Cyreela has infravision or not, so I left that a question mark.
I'll make a "Getting into bed" post shortly IC, but right now I need to go finish packing. |
Doggedly converting 3e back to what D&D should be...
Sigh... And now 4e as well. |
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Barshevy
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 17 Apr 2009 : 14:33:54
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| Thank you, Hoondatha. You did a great job. |
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Tyr
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 17 Apr 2009 : 14:53:48
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Yeah, that was some good work on the spreadsheet, enjoy your trivia contest.
btw, for the journal i'm working on making it more like a story than a transcript so its easier to read, will fill in the dialogue so far tomorrow probably as i've got assignment work today. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 17 Apr 2009 : 16:50:19
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Barshevy,
I PM'd you about what you asked me in the other thread.
And I wasn't sure about the infravision either Hoondatha. Wasn't really clear to me when I was reading over that passage how to figure out if she did or didn't because it said that only about 15% of stouts have it but then 25% of the mixed blooded halflings have it....
Well, she's not a stout and not sure if she's mixed blood......
My EXP is wrong. Spec priests, according to most of the material in the deity trilogy, use the druid exp. So, I need 2k, not 1500. And yes I do get the 10% bonus because of having a 16 wisdom.
My class isn't a kit either, I don't have a kit. :) Greenfoster is is just a base class instead of playing a straight cleric. |
For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
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Edited by - Kuje on 17 Apr 2009 16:59:05 |
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Tyr
Learned Scribe
225 Posts |
Posted - 17 Apr 2009 : 17:41:21
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If you haven't chosen a subrace then I think you just roll for the 15%, if you pass then you're a Stout with 60' infravision, if you fail then you roll again for the 25%, which is for the limited infravision of 30', otherwise theres no infravision.
Going from your post, that she isn't a stout, then just go for the 25% to see if she has Stout ancestry from somewhere. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 17 Apr 2009 : 18:42:31
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Originally posted by Tyr
If you haven't chosen a subrace then I think you just roll for the 15%, if you pass then you're a Stout with 60' infravision, if you fail then you roll again for the 25%, which is for the limited infravision of 30', otherwise theres no infravision.
Going from your post, that she isn't a stout, then just go for the 25% to see if she has Stout ancestry from somewhere.
Ah, that makes sense.
And to Barshevy, I rolled:
http://invisiblecastle.com/roller/view/2029210/
So, going to say that's a no. :)
Also, I'm not sure how to hide the text. After five years I still can't figure out 'Keep's code to change/hide text. Yea, guess I'm dense.....
Was kind of thinking maybe side posts should have their own topic? I dunno..... I was going to reply to your post but it could go on for a few pages..... |
For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
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Edited by - Kuje on 17 Apr 2009 18:46:31 |
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Tyr
Learned Scribe
225 Posts |
Posted - 17 Apr 2009 : 18:45:01
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 17 Apr 2009 : 18:47:18
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Originally posted by Tyr
just use beige instead of your regular text colour tag :)
As I said, I never figured out the codes on how to do that. Yes, people have tried to help me learn it for a few weeks, it just never stuck. Which is why I ask Sage or Wooly to change my links most of the time. :) |
For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
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Edited by - Kuje on 17 Apr 2009 18:47:51 |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
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Posted - 17 Apr 2009 : 18:53:01
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'[be ige]' at the start and '[be ige]' at the end (without spaces, of course).
Or, if you open the reply window, just choose beige from the font color dropdown to insert the tags, then type the hidden text between them. |
I actually DO know everything. I just have a very poor index of my knowledge.
Ashe's Character Sheet
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Hoondatha
Great Reader
USA
2450 Posts |
Posted - 18 Apr 2009 : 00:41:17
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Kuje: I stand corrected on speciality priests and XP. I jumped right to the Greenfoster entry and didn't look at the general rules at the start of the book. That'll teach me to post quickly, while working on packing.
However, the Greenfoster entry says that your prime reqs are both Wis and Con. Since you don't have a 16 Con, you don't get the 10% bonus. |
Doggedly converting 3e back to what D&D should be...
Sigh... And now 4e as well. |
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Barshevy
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 18 Apr 2009 : 01:06:26
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| OK, changes to the sheet updated. Thanks for all the help guys. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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7915 Posts |
Posted - 18 Apr 2009 : 02:28:41
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Originally posted by Hoondatha
However, the Greenfoster entry says that your prime reqs are both Wis and Con. Since you don't have a 16 Con, you don't get the 10% bonus.
You're right, sorry about that. :) |
For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
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Ghost King
Learned Scribe
USA
253 Posts |
Posted - 18 Apr 2009 : 03:57:20
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Originally posted by Hoondatha
Hi all.
As Barshevy alluded, I worked on the spreadsheet last night. Some of what I did was just formatting, making things easier to read, however I did add a lot of information. For instance, I put in everyone's saving throws, and tracked down everyones' kits to do a brief run-down of major abilities. Please check my work, and let Barshevy know if I missed something or got something wrong.
Also, Kuje, I didn't know if Cyreela has infravision or not, so I left that a question mark.
I'll make a "Getting into bed" post shortly IC, but right now I need to go finish packing.
Awesome work! Thanks for filling in my saves, I was having a hard time working around that issue, but I didn't know if how the saves differed from 3.0/3.5 system. Right now I'm reading up when I can on the skills section to see how I figured what number (since looking at the sheet and seeing how you guys set up your skills) should be assigned to the ones that get a check.
If anyone has any advice to help me work through this faster it would be most welcome. I at least got THAC0 and AC down right on the first run!
Barshevy - Cool, thanks for clarification. I'll make sure to avoid/ignore those type of posts.
Also, and this is a general question, just mainly curious and won't change my fighter any, but what types of kits are offered in the Complete Fighter's Handbook? If only PDFs were still able to be bought!
Edit: About the skills info, you can just send it via PM to avoid cluttering up the OOC thread if that is easier/prefered. |
Edited by - Ghost King on 18 Apr 2009 04:00:01 |
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Hoondatha
Great Reader
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Posted - 18 Apr 2009 : 05:21:08
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Nah, that's what OOC forums are for: whatever relates to the game. I've helped other players understand the game before (Shadowrun is hardly the most intuitive of systems).
Saves don't have as many modifiers as they do in 3.x, though I was reminded yesterday that your Dex defensive bonus also applies to any effect that you can dodge (ie: lightning bolts). You pretty much just fill in your line in the appropriate chart. It only starts getting confusing when you're multiclass, since you take the better saving throw from your classes.
Proficiencies are similar. Use the giant table, and then the numbers rarely change. At most you might get a special situational modifier by the DM (an example is tracking, where you can have all sorts of modifiers based on the terrain). You don't change the score each time you level up, like you do with 3.x skills.
I grew up (literally) on 2e, so if you have more questions, just ask.
As for complete fighter kits, the list is:
Amazon, Barbarian, Peasant Hero, Beast Rider, Berserker, Cavalier, Gladiator, Myrmidon, Noble Warrior, Outlaw, Savage, Samurai, Swashbuckler, Wilderness Warrior.
Complete Fighter was the book to introduce kits, and as such they're a little ragged. Most are ok, but not great. It's only in later books, especially some of the races books (dwarves and elves) and the three Realms books (Warriors and Priests, Wizards and Rogues, and Demihumans) that they really became good. Several kits had better versions elsewhere (ie: Gladiator - Dark Sun, Samurai - Oriental Adventures) |
Doggedly converting 3e back to what D&D should be...
Sigh... And now 4e as well. |
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Ghost King
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 18 Apr 2009 : 06:48:15
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Agree with you on Shadowrun. A great setting/plot for the world, but can get rather complex in a hurry if your not well read on the rules. And I always seemed to get in groups where we'd start but never really get past two adventurers (and in most cases would never even start the campaign). We all liked the Shadowrun, but just couldn't ever get the group to stick together long enough (usually family, work, etc kept breaking up the group). Anyways that is off-topic.
Back on topic: Once again thanks for the help. I just found the saves chart here in the book and with your explaination it is making it much easier to understand the Non-proficiencies.
Are those books pertaining to specific settings in the box sets or were they sold seperately? I'm thinking of picking them up on Ebay if they aren't too expensive of a purchase. |
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Hoondatha
Great Reader
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Posted - 18 Apr 2009 : 07:14:38
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All of those books were sold separately. The "Complete Book of..." or "Complete ... Handbook" were setting neutral. Most of them are at least good, and many are excellent. The only one that's really awful is the Complete Priest's Handbook. Totally useless. Each one has a lot of extra rules for the class/race to flesh them out. More animal companions and rules for tracking for rangers, mining for dwarves, groves for druids, etc.
When they were sold originally they were about $18, so they shouldn't be too expensive. Except for the really rare ones like Complete Necromancer and Ninja. |
Doggedly converting 3e back to what D&D should be...
Sigh... And now 4e as well. |
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Tyr
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 18 Apr 2009 : 09:39:33
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| yeah, i've got a couple of sellers earmarked on ebay for when i get enough spare cash to buy up a few books, starting with FR, as i've got the Core Rules and PDFs of everything. |
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Penknight
Senior Scribe
USA
538 Posts |
Posted - 18 Apr 2009 : 10:22:57
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| I would also like to say thank you for taking care of the rest of my information on Valthorin, Hoondatha. You and Barshevy have done a wonderful job on it. Top notch!! |
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Barshevy
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 18 Apr 2009 : 11:52:39
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Thanks, Penknight.
There's a portraits section on the spreadsheet now. |
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Barshevy
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 18 Apr 2009 : 14:30:52
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| Could the players who are using kits tell me which books these are found in? You've probably already told me, but I'm not sure which e-mail or sheet to look in. |
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Hoondatha
Great Reader
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2450 Posts |
Posted - 18 Apr 2009 : 14:45:41
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Greenfoster = Demihuman Deities
Tunnelrat = Demihumans of the Realms
Wild Mage = Tome of Magic
Wizard of Impiltur = Wizards and Rogues of the Realms
Bladesinger = Complete Book of Elves
@Penknight: You're welcome. |
Doggedly converting 3e back to what D&D should be...
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Barshevy
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 18 Apr 2009 : 15:02:37
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| OK, thanks again Hoondatha! |
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Penknight
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 18 Apr 2009 : 15:03:30
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Originally posted by Hoondatha
Greenfoster = Demihuman Deities
Tunnelrat = Demihumans of the Realms
Wild Mage = Tome of Magic
Wizard of Impiltur = Wizards and Rogues of the Realms
Bladesinger = Complete Book of Elves
@Penknight: You're welcome.
Yes indeed, that's where my kit's at! Wow, Hoondatha. You're really on it today! |
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Hoondatha
Great Reader
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Posted - 18 Apr 2009 : 15:19:51
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| I'm at a trivia contest. I'm in that frame of mind. Trust me, that was WAY more obvious than most of the balls the station is tossing us. |
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