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Arion Elenim
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 Posted - 27 Feb 2009 : 05:06:14
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I can't believe I'm just noticing this, but does anyone else have an edition of Homeland referring to Gromph as 'Gomph'?
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My latest Realms-based short story, about a bard, a paladin of Lathander and the letter of the law, Debts Repaid. It takes place before the "shattering" and gives the bard Arion a last gasp before he plunges into the present.http://candlekeep.com/campaign/logs/log-debts.htm |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 27 Feb 2009 : 06:01:14
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Originally posted by Arion Elenim
I can't believe I'm just noticing this, but does anyone else have an edition of Homeland referring to Gromph as 'Gomph'?
Dunno. What page is this typo? |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 27 Feb 2009 : 13:43:46
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| Is this showing up only once or throughout your book? |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 27 Feb 2009 : 13:44:28
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Its RASaferian.
Just like Lloth = Lolth.  |
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BEAST
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 27 Feb 2009 : 14:21:08
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Yeah, in both the first edition and Collector's Edition of Homeland, the Archmage's name was spelled "Gomph" (C4).
The "The Legend of Drizzt" editions have since fixed it, though.
I wonder: who created the character in the first place? If RAS did, then he should've been considered able to spell it any dang way he saw fit.
As to the inability to ensure consistency/continuity with that spelling, I'll just blame the editors... |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 27 Feb 2009 : 14:35:23
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| Has the Lloth to Lolth spelling been fixed in the reprints as well? |
Karsite Arcanar (Most Holy Servant of Karsus)
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BEAST
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 27 Feb 2009 : 15:00:17
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Originally posted by Alisttair
Has the Lloth to Lolth spelling been fixed in the reprints as well?
Well, early on, TSR, RAS, and Ed Greenwood already "fixed" that by providing a plausible retcon explanation for the inconsistency. I talked about that recently over on <RAS.com> (as well as the "Tempus"/"Tempos" thing).
Whether by his intention or editorial insistence, RAS's books continued to use the "Lloth" regional variation, I believe, right through the Collector's Edition.
However, unfortunately, when it came time to revisit the works and make a few updates, someone apparently got a little carried away with the "Find-and-Replace All" feature on the word processor. It appears that someone just replaced all the variant spellings with the official spellings. The problem with that is that we are still left with the passage from the book Exile in which Belwar remarks about Drizzt's regional variation--when there is no longer any such thing! 
(With the "Tempos" deal in the re-release edition of The Crystal Shard, someone replaced the first appearance with the official version "Tempus", but left all subsequent appearances of "Tempos" untouched. Must've clicked "Replace" instead of "Replace All". )
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 27 Feb 2009 : 15:49:01
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I have found, in my research, the gods have far more names then those listed in the 'god books', and have seen officially mis-spelled names (in other words, on purpose), especially in relation to 'western' gods that are used in the east (like Chantee).
You see a little of that in Zakhara as well; IIRC, Lolth is called 'Lotha'.
Ergo, there is no such thing as a 'typo' - chalk it all up to 'regional discrepencies'.
Too bad that doesn't work with the temple of Mystra I found in Netheril....
< musta been the Chronomancer's private sanctuary > |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 27 Feb 2009 : 16:14:09
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| Gomph sounds like the noise you would make when the Archmage realized you were talking about him! |
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Kiaransalyn
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 27 Feb 2009 : 17:27:18
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
Gomph sounds like the noise you would make when the Archmage realized you were talking about him!
When I was a child my siblings used the word gromph to describe eating noisily. For example, he's gromphing. Consequently, years later I found the name of Master Baenre a touch humorous.
Then again RAS has a tendency of giving his characters ridiculous names. Yipper and Quipper Fishquisher and their boat, Bottom Feeder are mental scars that not even a prolonged prescription of Deverry novels can cure. Terrible names.  |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 27 Feb 2009 : 18:07:05
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I'm getting that mental image now of that scene in Family Guy, where Stepen King is telling his publisher about his latest book about a 'lamp monster', and the publisher says "You're not even trying, anymore, are you?"
Sometimes I think RAS's names are his way of 'pouring derision' onto his fanbase.
And who can forget his 'loveable' sound-effects?
"Oi!"
"Mwah ha Ha Ha!"
I enjoy his books, don't get me wrong, but I pretend all of them are taking place in 'some other FR' then the official one. |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
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Posted - 27 Feb 2009 : 18:11:56
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I don't know, I kinda like it; it gives a certain verisimilitude wherein you see how different languages can produce different names through different translations. It's like the different versions of the Drizzt books come from different scribes.
I mean, the different ways of spelling Guenhwyvar alone . . .
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'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 27 Feb 2009 : 18:21:35
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Well, he's the ONLY FR author who's FR noeals I have all bought and read, so he must be doing something right.
I may make fun him all I want, but I'm still buying his books.  |
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BEAST
Master of Realmslore
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
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Posted - 27 Feb 2009 : 21:06:24
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Originally posted by Markustay
Well, he's the ONLY FR author who's FR novals I have all bought and read, so he must be doing something right.
I may make fun him all I want, but I'm still buying his books.
It' s not nearly as bad as renaming a whole type of book Noval....  |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
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Posted - 27 Feb 2009 : 21:12:33
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
I don't know, I kinda like it; it gives a certain verisimilitude wherein you see how different languages can produce different names through different translations. It's like the different versions of the Drizzt books come from different scribes.
I mean, the different ways of spelling Guenhwyvar alone . . .
Cheers
I remember freshman french class I asked our teacher (the über-vixen Ms T, whom any excuse to talk to was heaven!) who also liked to research old European dialects, how to pronounce that name, after after awhile just shrugged her shoulders and said " Mon Diue! What English is this, I cannot say!"
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A little nonsense now and then, relished by the wisest men - Willy Wonka
"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -
John F. Kennedy, speech in Dublin, Ireland, June 28, 1963
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Arion Elenim
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 27 Feb 2009 : 21:40:12
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Good, glad I'm not just going insane. But again, I can't believe I missed it. I've read that novel at least six times all the way through. Freak. Kay.
I always thought that 'Gromph' sounded like a brutish, orcish name or something, and chalked it up to irony. But 'Gomph'? Killer stuff. :D |
My latest Realms-based short story, about a bard, a paladin of Lathander and the letter of the law, Debts Repaid. It takes place before the "shattering" and gives the bard Arion a last gasp before he plunges into the present.http://candlekeep.com/campaign/logs/log-debts.htm |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 27 Feb 2009 : 21:59:37
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
I mean, the different ways of spelling Guenhwyvar alone . . .
I remember freshman french class I asked our teacher (the über-vixen Ms T, whom any excuse to talk to was heaven!) who also liked to research old European dialects, how to pronounce that name, after after awhile just shrugged her shoulders and said " Mon Diue! What English is this, I cannot say!"
Not English at all, actually. 
Guenhwyvar comes from Gwenhwyfar, which is the Welsh for Guinevere, the queen of King Arthur.
I know there's some post out there somewhere about how Bob pronounces it, but I guess I've always done it "gwen-ivar." Pretty sure that's not accurate.
(Incidentally, awesome story. Brings back memories!)
And . . . back on topic:
As for "Gomph," well, I got nuthin.
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Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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Arion Elenim
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 27 Feb 2009 : 23:02:00
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
(Incidentally, awesome story. Brings back memories!)
Homeland? Or Morte de Artur? Or 'Hot for Teacher'? |
My latest Realms-based short story, about a bard, a paladin of Lathander and the letter of the law, Debts Repaid. It takes place before the "shattering" and gives the bard Arion a last gasp before he plunges into the present.http://candlekeep.com/campaign/logs/log-debts.htm |
Edited by - Arion Elenim on 27 Feb 2009 23:02:33 |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 27 Feb 2009 : 23:02:20
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| By the way, the name "Guenivere" translates to "white phantom." |
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Larloch
Acolyte
Spain
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Posted - 28 Feb 2009 : 13:04:28
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| Well, in Spain Gromph is mostly known as Gomph because the editorial publishing Forgotten Realms books never corrected the typo. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 28 Feb 2009 : 17:10:46
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I pronounced it Goon -Hyver for years, before I realized what it was a take on.
RAS has his own little corner of the Realms that speaks Greco-Celtic.
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
It' s not nearly as bad as renaming a whole type of book Noval....
It's... errrrrm... a local spelling.
You know, like 'Grey' and 'Gray', or 'color' and 'colour'.
Leave me be - I spend more time editting my typos then I do actually posting (thats why it looks like so many threads have me as the last poster, when it usually isn't).
Come to think of it, I hope they correct that problem in CK2.0 |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 28 Feb 2009 : 20:57:42
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Originally posted by Markustay
Leave me be - I spend more time editting my typos then I do actually posting (thats why it looks like so many threads have me as the last poster, when it usually isn't).
I've noted that many times, and wondered what you were changing this time. |
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Kiaransalyn
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 28 Feb 2009 : 21:15:01
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quote:
Originally posted by The Red Walker
quote:
Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
I mean, the different ways of spelling Guenhwyvar alone
I remember freshman french class I asked our teacher (the über-vixen Ms T, whom any excuse to talk to was heaven!) who also liked to research old European dialects, how to pronounce that name, after after awhile just shrugged her shoulders and said " Mon Diue! What English is this, I cannot say!"
The original Welsh was Gwenhwyfar, which became Guenievre in Anglo-Norman, later becoming Gaynore and Gwenore. The variants Guener and Gueanor were Lancastrian names until the early 17th century. The most popular variant is the Cornish Jenifer, although some use Gweniver. From Names for the Cornish by Christopher Bice.
The meaning is "white or fair spirit" as RF has said. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 28 Feb 2009 : 23:21:36
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Markustay
Leave me be - I spend more time editting my typos then I do actually posting (thats why it looks like so many threads have me as the last poster, when it usually isn't).
I've noted that many times, and wondered what you were changing this time.
Indeed. Though, I had to get out of the habit of thinking that Markus had posted something completely new. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 28 Feb 2009 : 23:41:43
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Well, I'm obviously a two-fingered typist, because I don't look at the screen until after I hit 'send'.
The worst is when I get some sort of pop-up - I'll be typing for five minutes and look up and note that I typed absolutely nothing. 
Then when someone quotes me (which happens more on this site then most others), I notice all my typos, and go back and fix them.
For awhile there, I would purposely try to think of something new to add to the thread, just so it people WOULDN'T wonder why my name was coming up as the last poster, but then I really did become the last poster on every thread for awhile so I gave that up.
And sometimes I just edit something on Ed's thread because I note it's behind a page (I have no idea why that happens, but I noticed its the same for everyone, so its not a refresh problem on our end).
And now I've really gone off-topic completely, because of my embarrassing inability to type without a ton of mistakes. |
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swifty
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Posted - 01 Mar 2009 : 14:56:12
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| in the original copy of crystal shard one of the months is referred to as september. |
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BEAST
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 02 Mar 2009 : 18:22:12
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Originally posted by swifty
in the original copy of crystal shard one of the months is referred to as september.
They have since corrected the month names in the "The Legend of Drizzt" editions of The Crystal Shard:
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Whenever a cloud blocked out the warming rays, though, Regis was reminded that it was September Eleint on the tundra. In a month there would be snow. In two, the roads west and south to Luskan, the nearest city to Ten-Towns, would be impassable to any but the sturdy or the stupid. (TCSh, P1:C2)
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A cool breeze wafted in off Maer Dualdon, drawing a contented sigh from the halfling. Though June Kythorn had already passed its midpoint, this was the first hot day of the short season. And Regis was determined to make the most of it. (TCSh, P2:C9)
But not in Sojourn:
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"I’m off to Bryn Shander," Bruenor announced more than two months later. An unexpected break had come in Icewind Dale’s normal seven-month winter, a rare January thaw. (Soj., P5:C23)
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SolinariO
Acolyte
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Posted - 02 Mar 2009 : 20:13:11
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Such a cool character. I haven't read much about Drow mages but I know they're awesome because of Gromph :)
I have a feeling he'll come up again sometime soon |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
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Posted - 03 Mar 2009 : 14:44:47
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| Isn't there also no mention of Icingdeath (the sword) being named Icingdeath before The Thousand Orcs (other than Bruenor saying its a fine weapon, it should have a name, after it saved his life)????? |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
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Posted - 03 Mar 2009 : 14:47:05
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Originally posted by Alisttair
Isn't there also no mention of Icingdeath (the sword) being named Icingdeath before The Thousand Orcs (other than Bruenor saying its a fine weapon, it should have a name, after it saved his life)?????
I thought it was named close to him aquiring the sword, but it has been way to long since I hve read those! |
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