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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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 Posted - 12 Feb 2009 : 13:46:05
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Of course Colossal Space Dragons love Giant Space Hamsters...
Everyone needs a food source.  |
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ranger_of_the_unicorn_run
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 12 Feb 2009 : 14:12:49
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Sian
Space dragons ... basard of the space hamster and dragons? 
Even dragons can't get enough of that Giant Space Hamster lovin'.
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Originally posted by Gray Richardson
Some people call him the Space Hamster.
Some call him the Hamster of Love.
Some people call him Maurice,
'Cause he squeaks of the pompatus of love.
Are we wandering back into the territory LHO hinted at while we were talking about "dragon drip"? Now Wooly, remember to use protection. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 12 Feb 2009 : 14:41:12
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Also - who do you think the 'Great Wheel' was originally built for?
The Great Cosmic Space Hamster! 
The biggest mother of them all. 
kept the stupid bugger busy for aeons... |
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Ifthir
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 12 Feb 2009 : 14:55:39
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Originally posted by Markustay
Also - who do you think the 'Great Wheel' was originally built for?
The Great Cosmic Space Hamster!
The biggest mother of them all.
kept the stupid bugger busy for aeons...
Gah, give us our thread back you plushy hamster lovers! |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 12 Feb 2009 : 19:07:42
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I'm going through this source again (Realmspace), and I have to correct myself -
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Originally posted by Markustay
We have those beady-eyed Halflings from Coliar(?), and also a race of 'Space Dragons' - IMMENSE versions of terrestrial ones, and Elminster is friends with an ancient Red one (who helps gaurd his 'space station').
I think there is also a race of very advanced Lizaedmen as well, but its been a LONG time since I went through that source.
The Lizarmen are from Coliar... the Halflings are actually from Anadia.
Also found some rather interesting tidbits about the Moonshaes I think Brian would be interested in.
Specifically, the stuff about Caer Windlaur; you just never know where good Realmslore is going to turn up.
Imagine... a guild of Assassins in the Moonshaes.... |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36963 Posts |
Posted - 12 Feb 2009 : 23:10:50
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As much as I like Realmspace, just about every aspect of its entry on Toril is problematic, from a Realms-centric standpoint. Some things in that book have never been mentioned anywhere else in any Realms product, and at least one bit -- the description of Nimbral as a spaceport -- all but contradicts other lore.
So for me, Realmspace is a great book for everything but Toril. For that, I still with Realms-only sources. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 12 Feb 2009 : 23:15:34
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
As much as I like Realmspace, just about every aspect of its entry on Toril is problematic, from a Realms-centric standpoint. Some things in that book have never been mentioned anywhere else in any Realms product, and at least one bit -- the description of Nimbral as a spaceport -- all but contradicts other lore.
It's slightly in-tune with the bits about Nimbral in Into the Void, though.
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3290 Posts |
Posted - 12 Feb 2009 : 23:15:49
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-Wooly now why did I think of Men in Black just now.
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"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 12 Feb 2009 : 23:19:00
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You mean, like why do the Shou use a gate to get to the Inner Sea, when they could just fly on over? 
That has always been my main complaint with SJ - its great unto itself, but it will wreak Havoc with a groundling campaign.
I like Beholder bartenders, though - I just HAD TO use THAT somewhere.
Brian also included a bit of it in his Realmslore article, when he mentioned the moon losing it's illusion.
Edit: Concerning Nimbral...
Maybe that is why they don't bother with the rest of FR...
They are quite literally far more cosmopolitan. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36963 Posts |
Posted - 13 Feb 2009 : 07:26:03
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Originally posted by Markustay
Brian also included a bit of it in his Realmslore article, when he mentioned the moon losing it's illusion.
If it wasn't for that bit, I'd have said that the illusion was another problematic factor. I'm still a little curious about who maintained the illusion after Leira's death -- and why. I've also long wondered why Selūne didn't have any presence there. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 13 Feb 2009 : 12:33:39
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Markustay
Brian also included a bit of it in his Realmslore article, when he mentioned the moon losing it's illusion.
If it wasn't for that bit, I'd have said that the illusion was another problematic factor. I'm still a little curious about who maintained the illusion after Leira's death -- and why. I've also long wondered why Selūne didn't have any presence there.
Before that tidbit from Brian, my own thoughts suggested that Leira's illusion simply wasn't what it used to be after her death. It may have decayed somewhat, since with Leira herself now gone, the worshippers had nothing to pray to in order to continue benefiting from Leira's "gift." Cyric taking on the illusion is an interesting prospect, perhaps even having him posing as Leira for a time. Though, I'd imagine he only did that because he felt he could eventually turn this sizable portion of Leiran-worshippers to him and increase his power beyond Toril itself.
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 13 Feb 2009 : 14:46:18
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Now, picturing the moon becoming the home of a band of Cyric-worshippers is pretty damn cool. It also makes some sense - I would imagine that Leira had some sort of deal with Selūne concerning the 'caretaking' of the moon, and Shar would have wanted to grab anything that Selūne could eventually turn into another power-base for herself.
Perhaps the moon was part of the deal - Shar gives Cyric the moon, in exchange for his help killing Mystra.
Considering how the moon was presented in 2e - as a resort of sorts - I can picture an entire 'Motel Hell' stoty-arc taking place there, with a little Norman Bates (Psycho) and Friday the 13th (the whole 'camp Crystal Lake' thing).
"Spelljammers check-in... but the don't check out!" 
Maybe even use a little of the Dusk 'till Dawn angle, except instead of vampires (which could also be cool), the Cyric worshippers drug 'clients' and sell them to Illithids. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36963 Posts |
Posted - 13 Feb 2009 : 15:09:01
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Originally posted by Markustay
Now, picturing the moon becoming the home of a band of Cyric-worshippers is pretty damn cool. It also makes some sense - I would imagine that Leira had some sort of deal with Selūne concerning the 'caretaking' of the moon, and Shar would have wanted to grab anything that Selūne could eventually turn into another power-base for herself.
Perhaps the moon was part of the deal - Shar gives Cyric the moon, in exchange for his help killing Mystra.
Considering how the moon was presented in 2e - as a resort of sorts - I can picture an entire 'Motel Hell' stoty-arc taking place there, with a little Norman Bates (Psycho) and Friday the 13th (the whole 'camp Crystal Lake' thing).
"Spelljammers chack-in... but the don't check out!"
Maybe even use a little of the Dusk 'till Dawn angle, except instead of vampires (which could also be cool), the Cyric worshippers drug 'clients' and sell them to Illithids.
That... doesn't work for me. Cyric already had the worship of those on the moon -- why would he need to make a deal for it? |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 13 Feb 2009 : 15:25:08
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He did? 
I admit that I was just 'skimming' the source yesterday for other stuff, but I only see mention of Leira (and I'm holding it in my hands as I type).
I'll re-read the entire section of Selune again... I must have missed something. |
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Kajehase
Great Reader
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Posted - 13 Feb 2009 : 16:31:37
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| Yeah, they were Leira-worshipers, and Cyric took over her portfolio when he killed her (provided that wasn't all a big lie, of course - you never know with Leira). |
There is a rumour going around that I have found god. I think is unlikely because I have enough difficulty finding my keys, and there is empirical evidence that they exist.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 13 Feb 2009 : 17:01:24
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Originally posted by Kajehase
Yeah, they were Leira-worshipers, and Cyric took over her portfolio when he killed her (provided that wasn't all a big lie, of course - you never know with Leira).
Yup. So as long as he maintained the illusion and kept the spells flowing, all Leirans were worshipping him. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 13 Feb 2009 : 19:10:35
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Ah, Okay...
So they WERE still worshipping Leira - he was just pulling a fast one.
Still... this deal could have been struck way back then. Going by the 'Dark Prophesies' or whatever Shar's roll is called, she had a lot riding on Cyric's ascension, so it makes sense she approached him immediatly following his divinity.
I had always thought he and Mask shouldn't have been able to trick Leira so easily, and if Shar was also involved, it makes even more sense to me now. Shar literally "offerred him the moon", and then helped him blind-side Leira (Shar being the only god who had more power over 'veiled secrets' then Leira herself did).
See? You can make anything work, if you fiddle with it long enough. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 13 Feb 2009 : 22:53:43
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Kajehase
Yeah, they were Leira-worshipers, and Cyric took over her portfolio when he killed her (provided that wasn't all a big lie, of course - you never know with Leira).
Yup. So as long as he maintained the illusion and kept the spells flowing, all Leirans were worshipping him.
Heh. I could've sworn another scribe kinda already said something like that.   |
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Nerfed2Hell
Senior Scribe
USA
387 Posts |
Posted - 13 Feb 2009 : 23:02:12
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I know I've kept Leira secretly alive as part of the big lie... channelling just enough of her incoming worship toward Cyric to keep him unaware of the truth, and her followers expect everything is a lie anyhow.
Leira died? Lie.
Cyric took over her portfolio? Lie.
Leira is really alive and letting Cyric believe she's dead? Lie.
Rasberry jam is a tastey treat? Lie. |
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Ifthir
Learned Scribe
USA
111 Posts |
Posted - 14 Feb 2009 : 00:01:56
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| *waves goodbye to the thread* |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Another request for assistance.
