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Herkles
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 Posted - 17 Jan 2009 : 02:31:05
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Hello sages of candlekeep, i am looking for information on elven druids of Rillifane Rallathil, a wood elf in particular. Now I do not know much on druids, so any lore that the sages could provide would be useful.
I do know that druids are only allowed to use certain weapons but would a druid of Rillifane Rallathil, as he is an elven deity, be allowed to use elven weapons, such as long swords and bows?
Thank you for any help you sages can provide me with.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 17 Jan 2009 : 04:00:25
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I shall refer you to a wonderful resource, the third of the three 2E deity books, Demihuman Deities. It's the best place for info on Rillifane and his followers.  |
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ErskineF
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 17 Jan 2009 : 04:14:04
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Originally posted by HerklesI do know that druids are only allowed to use certain weapons but would a druid of Rillifane Rallathil, as he is an elven deity, be allowed to use elven weapons, such as long swords and bows?
Yes, that's my reading of the rules. The druid isn't prohibited from using other weapons if he has proficiency in them. He's only prohibited from using metal armor and shields.
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 17 Jan 2009 : 05:48:13
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-Information about Rillifane Rallathil and Wood Elves can be found in Elves of Faerūn.
-As per 3e rules, said Druid is an Elf, so he/she starts off with Elven weapon proficiencies, as well any weapon proficiencies he/she gains from his/her class. |
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ranger_of_the_unicorn_run
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 17 Jan 2009 : 06:07:16
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Originally posted by Dagnirion
-Information about Rillifane Rallathil and Wood Elves can be found in Elves of Faerūn.
-As per 3e rules, said Druid is an Elf, so he/she starts off with Elven weapon proficiencies, as well any weapon proficiencies he/she gains from his/her class.
But, as per 3e rules, there is a spiritual restriction on using any weapons other than those that are normally allowed to druids. This means that under 3e, an elven druid would not be able to use elven proficiency weapons. However, as Rillifane Rallathil is an elf himself, Herkles brings up a good question as to weather elven druids of an elven deity must take a sacred oath against using elven proficiency weapons. I don't really have an answer for that, though, as I would normally consider that a house rules or ask the DM kind of situation. |
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
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Posted - 17 Jan 2009 : 06:19:15
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-I didn't say the Wood Elf would be able to use said weapons and not violate any "holy orders". I said that the Elf would be proficient with the longsword and the bow.
-There isn't an official answer, as this is ambiguous, murky territory that lore doesn't really go too much in-depth into, but...Rillifane Rallathil himself, it is said, sometimes hunts with a longbow. If his followers (a great deal of whom are Druids) were not allowed to use this weapon, I don't believe that he would be setting such a "bad example". |
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Vol. III- Spells of the Elves
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ErskineF
Learned Scribe
USA
330 Posts |
Posted - 17 Jan 2009 : 06:48:37
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Originally posted by ranger_of_the_unicorn_run
But, as per 3e rules, there is a spiritual restriction on using any weapons other than those that are normally allowed to druids.
Can you quote me chapter and verse on that? I looked it up, and only saw the restriction against metal armor.
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ranger_of_the_unicorn_run
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 17 Jan 2009 : 06:57:22
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Originally posted by ErskineF
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Originally posted by ranger_of_the_unicorn_run
But, as per 3e rules, there is a spiritual restriction on using any weapons other than those that are normally allowed to druids.
Can you quote me chapter and verse on that? I looked it up, and only saw the restriction against metal armor.
Ah, I just realized that there is a slight difference between 3e and 3.5e on this matter. The 3e PHB says what I said, while the 3.5 PHB only has an armor and shield restriction. |
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ErskineF
Learned Scribe
USA
330 Posts |
Posted - 17 Jan 2009 : 07:22:16
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Originally posted by ranger_of_the_unicorn_run
Ah, I just realized that there is a slight difference between 3e and 3.5e on this matter. The 3e PHB says what I said, while the 3.5 PHB only has an armor and shield restriction.
That explains it. :)
That was a good fix. I never understood the rationale behind allowing scimitars but not other swords. |
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ranger_of_the_unicorn_run
Learned Scribe
USA
292 Posts |
Posted - 17 Jan 2009 : 07:33:26
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Originally posted by ErskineF
That explains it. :)
That was a good fix. I never understood the rationale behind allowing scimitars but not other swords.
Yeah, I eventually came to accept the weapon restriction because I loved so much else about druids and it mostly made sense, though the scimitar thing never really did. I did like the 3.5 fix though. What I didn't like was the change to the animal companion system.
As for the topic, I guess that means that the ability to use elven proficiency weapons depends on what edition you play. |
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
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Neil Bishop
Learned Scribe
Singapore
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Posted - 20 Jan 2009 : 09:00:04
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Originally posted by Dagnirion
I never understood why scimitars are okay either...
I think because of the connection of druids with sickles. |
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ranger_of_the_unicorn_run
Learned Scribe
USA
292 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jan 2009 : 01:48:24
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Originally posted by Neil Bishop
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Originally posted by Dagnirion
I never understood why scimitars are okay either...
I think because of the connection of druids with sickles.
But druids had sickle proficiency in 3e. Scimitars are an entirely different weapon, with a very different real-world background. |
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ErskineF
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 21 Jan 2009 : 03:16:24
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Originally posted by ranger_of_the_unicorn_run
But druids had sickle proficiency in 3e. Scimitars are an entirely different weapon, with a very different real-world background.
But the first syllable sounds exactly the same.  |
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 21 Jan 2009 : 04:28:39
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Originally posted by ranger_of_the_unicorn_run
But druids had sickle proficiency in 3e. Scimitars are an entirely different weapon, with a very different real-world background.
-Yes, I was going to bring that up. And, it's not even as if Drizzt is/was a Druid or anything, either. |
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Vol. III- Spells of the Elves
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 21 Jan 2009 : 05:38:04
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Well, you could use a scimitar to harvest grain, right? So it would be a tool first...
Yeah, even I don't buy it.
I think it's a fall back to the nature god/desses wielding a scimitar because it's curve resembles a horn (maybe?). |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 21 Jan 2009 : 17:11:12
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| Whatever the reason, I'm happy my druids can use scimitars. |
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ranger_of_the_unicorn_run
Learned Scribe
USA
292 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jan 2009 : 17:53:00
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
USA
3746 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jan 2009 : 18:25:59
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Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
Well, you could use a scimitar to harvest grain, right? So it would be a tool first...
Yeah, even I don't buy it.
I think it's a fall back to the nature god/desses wielding a scimitar because it's curve resembles a horn (maybe?).
-Yeah, that's all some extreme stretching there. |
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