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fw190a8
Acolyte
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 Posted - 31 Dec 2008 : 01:38:41
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Back in 2006, there was an excellent series of articles by Ed - http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/archfr/frbk - about the Border Kingdoms. These appeared to be posted in alphabetical order (until the final one, High Mukshar), but then stopped at the end of 2006, despite claiming to be "complete". Did Ed (or anyone else) ever say why these articles were never fully made available? I want to read about the rest of the Border Kingdoms!
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Lord Karsus
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rjfras
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 31 Dec 2008 : 02:44:19
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 31 Dec 2008 : 02:45:45
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Did you check Chapter Eight in the Power of Faerun book?
Great suggestion. However, there was supposed to be even more information forthcoming online. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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rjfras
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 31 Dec 2008 : 02:49:18
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| With Power of Faerun coming out in 2006, and the info there for the rest of the kingdoms, I don't see them posting it for free when it's in the book now. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 31 Dec 2008 : 02:50:11
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Originally posted by rjfras
With Power of Faerun coming out in 2006, and the info there for the rest of the kingdoms, I don't see them posting it for free when it's in the book now.
Uh, as I said, there was supposed information online that wasn't in the book. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 31 Dec 2008 : 04:26:54
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Originally posted by fw190a8
Back in 2006, there was an excellent series of articles by Ed - http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/archfr/frbk - about the Border Kingdoms. These appeared to be posted in alphabetical order (until the final one, High Mukshar), but then stopped at the end of 2006, despite claiming to be "complete". Did Ed (or anyone else) ever say why these articles were never fully made available? I want to read about the rest of the Border Kingdoms!
As I recall, Ed fell behind with his updated BK submissions, due to his other commitments at the time. The last few articles were all that WotC received from Ed.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 31 Dec 2008 : 04:29:33
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Originally posted by rjfras
With Power of Faerun coming out in 2006, and the info there for the rest of the kingdoms, I don't see them posting it for free when it's in the book now.
As Rinonalyrna said, the online entries were set up to contain more information. Basically, the website entries are mostly all [at least slightly] longer, with more detail and roleplaying goodies. It was Ed's intention to give all gamers some idea of how much of his texts get cut to fit into the printed books.
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
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Posted - 31 Dec 2008 : 16:34:24
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Ed fully intends to finish these articles, someday and somehow (they were indeed alphabetical, and he got a little more than half the BK entries written and into print). His hope was to provide them FOR FREE on the Wizards website (convincing WotC to provide them as a "flavour teaser" for the Realms setting, free rather than through Insider and DRAGON because they are 3rd edition and "in the past"), which would of course mean he would write them for free, too. If that doesn't happen (Ed has heard nothing back from the Wizard web folks since the latest downsizing), Ed will try to get permission from Wizards to publish them here, in this thread or the 2010 iteration of it (or wherever in these halls that Alaundo prefers they be located).
So much is "up in the air" at the moment, though. Sigh.
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 31 Dec 2008 : 17:38:35
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Originally posted by The Hooded One
Ed fully intends to finish these articles, someday and somehow (they were indeed alphabetical, and he got a little more than half the BK entries written and into print). His hope was to provide them FOR FREE on the Wizards website (convincing WotC to provide them as a "flavour teaser" for the Realms setting, free rather than through Insider and DRAGON because they are 3rd edition and "in the past"), which would of course mean he would write them for free, too.
That's nice of him. I hope we get those articles someday. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 31 Dec 2008 : 23:07:16
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Originally posted by The Hooded One
...Ed will try to get permission from Wizards to publish them here, in this thread or the 2010 iteration of it (or wherever in these halls that Alaundo prefers they be located).
That would be all kinds of awesome! Really.  As they are my favorite locations in the Realms, I'd be happy to see anything new on the Border Kingdoms at this point.
Though, I think it would be best to dedicate a whole and completely new scroll for the task.
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
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Posted - 01 Jan 2009 : 02:29:42
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You're probably right about that, Sage. The more I think about it, the better giving the BK lore its own thread sounds.
I KNOW I can persuade Ed. He'll be putty (er, yes, that's it; putty) in my hands. 
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GoCeraf
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 01 Jan 2009 : 02:33:07
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That would be all kinds of awesome!
Who're you, and what have you done with Sage? |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 01 Jan 2009 : 04:05:06
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Originally posted by The Hooded One
You're probably right about that, Sage. The more I think about it, the better giving the BK lore its own thread sounds.
Aye. It'll make it easier to compile for later archival at Candlekeep.
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Who're you, and what have you done with Sage?
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fw190a8
Acolyte
United Kingdom
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Posted - 02 Jan 2009 : 00:37:56
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| Many thanks for the replies. I feel that the Border Kingdoms were refreshingly different from the other parts of the Realms, and the nature of them made it possible to have creative freedoms not possible elsewhere. I look forward to reading about Border Kingdoms J-Z someday! |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 02 Jan 2009 : 00:57:58
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One of the major aspects I enjoy about the Border Kingdoms is that they, perhaps more so than any other part of the established Realms, are designed to be easily customised for particular and/or individual home Realms campaigns -- complete with swiftly shifting borders and ever-changing rulers. So there's plenty of room for changes and/or the addition of new details for your game -- especially when drawing from your own Realms history when plotting adventures in the region.
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Brynweir
Senior Scribe
USA
436 Posts |
Posted - 02 Jan 2009 : 01:06:12
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Originally posted by The Sage
One of the major aspects I enjoy about the Border Kingdoms is that they, perhaps more so than any other part of the established Realms, are designed to be easily customised for particular and/or individual home Realms campaigns -- complete with swiftly shifting borders and ever-changing rulers. So there's plenty of room for changes and/or the addition of new details for your game -- especially when drawing from your own Realms history when plotting adventures in the region.
I have to agree with you there. That's one of the reasons I've also used the Border Kingdoms heavily in my writing. Felshroun is my favorite at the moment  . |
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Jakk
Great Reader
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Posted - 02 Jan 2009 : 07:21:09
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 02 Jan 2009 : 19:11:59
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Originally posted by The Sage
One of the major aspects I enjoy about the Border Kingdoms is that they, perhaps more so than any other part of the established Realms, are designed to be easily customised for particular and/or individual home Realms campaigns -- complete with swiftly shifting borders and ever-changing rulers.
And what I think is kind of funny is how there is even a wizard NPC who is devoted to keeping the BKs the way they are. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
--Richard Greene (letter to Time) |
Edited by - Rinonalyrna Fathomlin on 02 Jan 2009 19:12:56 |
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Ghost King
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 02 Jan 2009 : 23:03:27
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by The Sage
One of the major aspects I enjoy about the Border Kingdoms is that they, perhaps more so than any other part of the established Realms, are designed to be easily customised for particular and/or individual home Realms campaigns -- complete with swiftly shifting borders and ever-changing rulers.
And what I think is kind of funny is how there is even a wizard NPC who is devoted to keeping the BKs the way they are.
Silly wizards and their plans of...oh...well...ah.
A wizard not bent on conquering the world. Huh, that's a new one to me. I guess it is comforting that one wizard is just trying to keep things as they are. 
My world just got turned upside down.
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Thalos_Milathriel
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 03 Jan 2009 : 01:04:47
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Originally posted by Brynweir<br>
I have to agree with you there. That's one of the reasons I've also used the Border Kingdoms heavily in my writing.
What writing would that be? Is any good fan fiction posted hereabouts? I've been planning a similar endeavor for some time now, but I can never seem to find the time to get started... |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 03 Jan 2009 : 23:35:04
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Originally posted by Ghost King
Silly wizards and their plans of...oh...well...ah.
A wizard not bent on conquering the world. Huh, that's a new one to me. I guess it is comforting that one wizard is just trying to keep things as they are.
My world just got turned upside down.
~Ghost King~
LOL, exactly--the wizard in question is trying to prevent anyone from conquering the Border Kingdoms (as a whole) and making it their own. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
--Richard Greene (letter to Time) |
Edited by - Rinonalyrna Fathomlin on 03 Jan 2009 23:35:21 |
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Brynweir
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 03 Jan 2009 : 23:45:47
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Originally posted by Thalos_Milathriel
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Originally posted by Brynweir<br>
I have to agree with you there. That's one of the reasons I've also used the Border Kingdoms heavily in my writing.
What writing would that be? Is any good fan fiction posted hereabouts? I've been planning a similar endeavor for some time now, but I can never seem to find the time to get started...
I've posted a few snippets in the adventuring section, but I'm going to send the whole thing to Alaundo when it's finished so it can go in the campaign logs. I've got nearly 250 pages and it really needs editing. There are quite a few really good stories in the campaign logs, though, on the home site (not the forum). You should check it out.
And I happen to know a wizard who isn't bent on conquering the world, but in making it better, so the idea of an NPC wizard trying to keep the BK from being conquered doesn't really strike me as all that odd . |
Anyone who likes to read something that's really dark and gritty and completely awesome ought to read The Night Angel Trilogy by Brent Weeks. You can check out a little taste at www.BrentWeeks.com I should probably warn you, though, that it is definitely not PG-13 :-D
He also started a new Trilogy with Black Prism, which may even surpass the Night Angel Trilogy in its awesomeness.
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Thieran
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 17 Apr 2011 : 17:00:26
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Originally posted by The Hooded One
Ed fully intends to finish these articles, someday and somehow (they were indeed alphabetical, and he got a little more than half the BK entries written and into print). His hope was to provide them FOR FREE on the Wizards website (convincing WotC to provide them as a "flavour teaser" for the Realms setting, free rather than through Insider and DRAGON because they are 3rd edition and "in the past"), which would of course mean he would write them for free, too. If that doesn't happen (Ed has heard nothing back from the Wizard web folks since the latest downsizing), Ed will try to get permission from Wizards to publish them here, in this thread or the 2010 iteration of it (or wherever in these halls that Alaundo prefers they be located).
So much is "up in the air" at the moment, though. Sigh.
love to all,
THO
Any update on this? |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
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Posted - 13 May 2011 : 09:19:40
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Nope.
I have a feeling that we wont be seeing them.
Which is a shame... |
"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 13 May 2011 : 16:05:17
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Originally posted by Brimstone
Nope.
I have a feeling that we wont be seeing them.
Which is a shame...
I'm inclined to agree.
Though, Ed did say -- once, long ago -- that he might eventually be able to slip a few snippets of the unpublished articles in his replies here. I wonder whether that has changed. |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
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Posted - 13 May 2011 : 16:19:39
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| Only one way to find out... |
"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
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skychrome
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 19 May 2011 : 02:18:32
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Border Kingdoms! *drool* 
Considering there was little focus on detailing them further in 3e, less there is in 4e. Actually I know it is precisely how it should be kept to maintain it as open as possible... but still I'd love to read more about em... Great setting in Faerun, especially for not that high level PCs... |
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Matt James
Forgotten Realms Game Designer
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Posted - 23 Aug 2012 : 13:54:50
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*resurrect scroll*
Fear not... |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 23 Aug 2012 : 16:06:59
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Originally posted by Matt James
*resurrect scroll*
Fear not...
You are such a tease.....
now I have another thing to wait for! |
A little nonsense now and then, relished by the wisest men - Willy Wonka
"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -
John F. Kennedy, speech in Dublin, Ireland, June 28, 1963
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Brimstone
Great Reader
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Posted - 23 Aug 2012 : 18:02:12
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Originally posted by Matt James
*resurrect scroll*
Fear not...
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"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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