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Hawkins
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 Posted - 10 Dec 2008 : 19:18:33
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Comments made by various designers who have left or been laid off from WotC and this comic strip have made me begin to wonder if the 5th Edition of D&D will just be a miniatures game. It does not seem all that far fetched considering that Hasbro is a toy and board game company. On a side note, I actually am looking forward to seeing some CPRGs utilizing 4e, I think it will lend itself well to video games.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36971 Posts |
Posted - 10 Dec 2008 : 19:41:18
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Well, it's pretty much inevitable that there will be a 5th Edition. The biggest questions in my mind are who will be publishing it, and what direction it will go in.
Without making this a debate (meaning I'm stating my opinion once, and I'm not arguing about it), I think that the overall direction of 4E was a mistake, and that it will ultimately fail. I expect WotC to founder, and to either be shut down and the IPs sold off, or to sold to someone else. So there will be a 5th Edition, but whether it's going back towards what 3.5 was, or is something new entirely, is a big question, depending in large part on who is publishing D&D then.
As for going minis-based... I saw a blurb about 4E that said D&D Minis (specifically, D&D Minis, not minis in general) were required to play, but that a character sheet wasn't. If WotC is still part of Hasbro in 5 years' time, then 5E will be more minis-based. If not, then the importance of minis will be downplayed.
As for going entirely minis-based... I don't see that, even with Hasbro in the picture. D&D Minis have been quite successful, but between them and the plethora of other minis-based games out there, I don't see D&D being able to make the jump to being nothing but minis. Not only is there just too much competition, but D&D has always been about roleplaying. I don't see that a game revolving entirely around minis can incorporate roleplaying. |
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Halidan
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 10 Dec 2008 : 20:29:46
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As someone who's sold role-playing and other games at the retail level since the mid 1970's when I worked in my Dad's hobby shop, I can say almost certainly there will be a 5th edition of D&D. It's too popular a licence to ever fade completely from the marketplace.
Wolly makes a lot of good points about WotC's future as a publisher of RPG's. While their card games have a much better cost to profit ratio, I suspect at some point in the reasonable future the RPG division of WotC will fail to meet the minimum profit goals set by the higher ups at Hasbro. Then, they will be either have their licences liquidated or the entire division will be spun off in some fashion. In my opinion, this will be the event that leads to the publishing of D&D's 5th edition.
The big question will be who is left in the hobby/games field with the necessary capital to pick up the D&D licence once WotC depletes it's market share? |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
USA
3254 Posts |
Posted - 10 Dec 2008 : 20:42:56
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I don't see that a game revolving entirely around minis can incorporate roleplaying.
Obviously you don't play BattleTech the same way I do. Of course, my way involves a really bad Scottish accent and my enemies (by the time I start the accent, even allies become enemies) trying to kill me just so I shut up.
But, Hawkins has a point. I don't think Hasbro understands the core idea behind D&D and, because the name is just as well-known (if not more so) than Monopoly and Clue, I don't think they will let it go. If the RPG portion fails, I can see them hanging on to the name and putting out a Descent-style board game with the D&D branding.
And then, I will weep for the death of D&D. For, even though Descent is a terrific game, it's a 'gateway' towards roleplaying and not meant to be the be-all/end-all.
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ranger_of_the_unicorn_run
Learned Scribe
USA
292 Posts |
Posted - 10 Dec 2008 : 21:13:21
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
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3766 Posts |
Posted - 10 Dec 2008 : 22:22:33
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Well, it's pretty much inevitable that there will be a 5th Edition.
-This, provided the Mayan Doomsday predictions do not come true.*
*They're not so much Doomsday predictions as much as the media and other outlets portray them to be, but it sounds good. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36971 Posts |
Posted - 10 Dec 2008 : 23:03:43
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Originally posted by ranger_of_the_unicorn_run
I just can't see D&D dying off fully though. It is so popular in its current incarnation that Hasbro would be entirely stupid to get rid of D&D. While I don't think Hasbro fully understands the D&D audience, I don't think it is stupid either, so I think if 4E does badly enough they will try to backtrack.
Oh, I don't see it dying off, either... The thing is, Hasbro is a very big company, and as such, they expect larger profit margins. I think that unless they start making changes to the game that are more widely accepted, that there will come a point when the game is not generating the profit margin Hasbro wants. At that time, they will likely spin WotC back off, or dismantle it and sell the IPs. |
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Kentinal
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Posted - 11 Dec 2008 : 00:15:16
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Well somebody posted on the boards that should not be mentioned, that 5th Edition is planned to occur in 10 years. The comment was not an official one.
I do not know if TSR still exists as a private corporation, if so it would be esier to sell off that product line if Hasbro is not happy with income steam.
If WotC dismatled TSR it becomes harder to sell rights and it already is a problem for computer D&D gaming that appears to have to deal with long tern (or never ending) lisence for that aspect of D&D.
D&D might be put up for sale, more likely if anything occurs, WotC would be put up for sale with Hasbro retaining some kind of toy right if they decide gaming does not produce enough profit for their goals. |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
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3254 Posts |
Posted - 11 Dec 2008 : 03:41:48
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| TSR was dismantled when WotC bought them out lock, stock and barrel. WotC, when purchased by Hasbro, was not dismantled, but reformed into a sub-company of Hasbro's. |
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
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3766 Posts |
Posted - 11 Dec 2008 : 05:04:46
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| -I'm not saying it's going on here, but why do so many seem to assign Hasbro sinister motives? It's not as if TSR didn't do some things to the setting that plenty of people didn't like, and that WotC (before being purchased) didn't do some things to the setting that plenty of people didn't like. |
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ranger_of_the_unicorn_run
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 11 Dec 2008 : 05:42:57
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To answer (and agree with) Dagnirion:
I don't have a lot of the older books, but from the ones that I do have, I really liked the ideas that were floating around when TSR was around. However, there are always going to be some changes that people don't like. It's a matter of what the motive is, how intelligent the changes are, how big they are, and what it adds to the setting.
Pretty much any company will have the primary motive to make money. People may not like it, but the books that they really like wouldn't be available if the companies didn't make money.
It is debatable how much thought has been put into the various changes. I think that there was a lot more creativity flowing in the days of TSR, but less control, and more jumbled storylines that were hinted at and then dropped. With 4E, there is the opposite. There is a lot of control over the realms and keeping the lore "straight" (even if it means rewriting some of it), but less room for creativity. 3E was somewhere in between. It is up individual people as to which method is most appealing to them.
Most of us here on Candlekeep have come to the conclusion that 4E presents the biggest change. Many people are highly frustrated with that. However, to paraphrase Ed, the world needs to change or it will stagnate. I personally don't like the amount of change they are introducing in 4E, but I think most people would get bored if the setting didn't change at all. There are so many people on here that practically have the entire history of the realms memorized. What are they going to do to find deeper meaning or "truths" to the realms if there is nothing added to it?
So 4E certainly adds to the setting. One of the things that upsets people is that it also seems to take away. It can't really take away though, because there is so much published material already out there that they can't retract. DM's can do whatever they want in their game. They can take some of the 4E changes and mash them up with any of the previous 3 editions. Maybe someone likes the fact that there are fewer deities (this is an example, don't flame me!). But maybe they also like having all the old NPC's around and want to set their game in the 1300's. They don't even really need to set it in the 1300's to have the old NPC's; they could just wave the magic DM wand and say "this is the way it is."
My point is that Hasbro is acting just like any of the other companies running the realms would (and have). What they do to it doesn't really need to affect anyone and we can all go along pretending the Spellplague never happened if we don't want it to be so, or we can take some of the new and incorporate it into the overall tapestry of realmslore. |
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Arion Elenim
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 11 Dec 2008 : 06:09:51
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| Far as I'm concerned, 5th edition is what I think a lot of us are already playing: 3rd ed rules, some 4th ed storyline sprinkled in. |
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Dalor Darden
Great Reader
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Posted - 11 Dec 2008 : 06:29:05
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Originally posted by Arion Elenim
Far as I'm concerned, 5th edition is what I think a lot of us are already playing: 3rd ed rules, some 4th ed storyline sprinkled in.
Actually, I'm kinda doing the opposite: playing 4e rules with old lore. 
After this week I'll be done with school though...and I'm hoping to get Ixinos Finished, 4e Tethyamar Finished, and desperately hope I can salvage a 1e game set in Melvaunt I started some time ago...if the players aren't thinking of ways to behead me for dropping the ball.  |
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
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3766 Posts |
Posted - 11 Dec 2008 : 06:35:19
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Re: Ranger
-Oh, yes, I understand all that, but I never understood (and still don't) the pointing of fingers at Hasbro, as opposed to WotC personnel*. When I have a bus driver that's not a very good bus driver for [insert problem], I don't get angry at the bureaucrats at the MTA for [whatever the problem was]. I point fingers at the bus driver for [whatever the problem was].
*People do indeed point fingers as people at WotC, of course, but I've seen something of a "conspiracy theory" angle from many, in that the evil Hasbro overlords want to spell certain doom for X. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36971 Posts |
Posted - 11 Dec 2008 : 06:35:28
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Originally posted by Dagnirion
-I'm not saying it's going on here, but why do so many seem to assign Hasbro sinister motives? It's not as if TSR didn't do some things to the setting that plenty of people didn't like, and that WotC (before being purchased) didn't do some things to the setting that plenty of people didn't like.
That's been a complaint of mine, as well. I know it's certainly easy to go the route of believing that ill intent is involved, but it's something I've certainly done my best to argue against. I really hope we don't see that card getting played in this thread, because it's been played in way too many others. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 11 Dec 2008 : 06:39:16
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Originally posted by Dagnirion
*People do indeed point fingers as people at WotC, of course, but I've seen something of a "conspiracy theory" angle from many, in that the evil Hasbro overlords want to spell certain doom for X.
While I for one think their actions are being caused in no small part by Hasbro, and that said actions have badly damaged both the setting and the hobby, I refuse to ascribe malicious intent to it. I think it's more misunderstanding the industry and the fanbase than anything else. In the case of the former, part of it is trying to make this industry perform like the toy & game industry. |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
USA
3254 Posts |
Posted - 11 Dec 2008 : 14:12:41
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I concur. Hasbro isn't evil, they just don't understand the fanbase of D&D (and who really does?). In regards to individuals at WotC, I can't say they made changes with malicious intent, since they did what they thought was best.
To work with Dagnirion's allegory, the bus driver may not be good, but in his mind, his actions are what he believes to be best for traveling the route and picking up passengers. It's only when the passengers complain to MTA (WotC) or the city government (Hasbro) that changes may be made. However, you have to be heard first. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 11 Dec 2008 : 15:07:45
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Originally posted by ranger_of_the_unicorn_run
There are so many people on here that practically have the entire history of the realms memorized.
I think even the people you think fit that description would beg to differ with you. |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
USA
3254 Posts |
Posted - 11 Dec 2008 : 16:19:57
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by ranger_of_the_unicorn_run
There are so many people on here that practically have the entire history of the realms memorized.
I think even the people you think fit that description would beg to differ with you.
True. I think only BRJ has it memorized.  |
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
USA
3766 Posts |
Posted - 11 Dec 2008 : 16:45:39
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| -Again, however, what has Hasbro specifically done? Why has Hasbro been doing things that people take exception to, as opposed to WotC being the group doing it (without receiving 'orders' from their parent company)? This is what I don't understand. Not liking things, and being angry at the company, that I understand. Why Hasbro, as opposed to just WotC, I don't. |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
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Posted - 11 Dec 2008 : 16:55:12
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Not to intrude, but . . .
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
quote:
Originally posted by ranger_of_the_unicorn_run
There are so many people on here that practically have the entire history of the realms memorized.
I think even the people you think fit that description would beg to differ with you.
I didn't read that as a pejorative--it's more a testament to the love and interest and wealth of knowledge on the part of many, many people here.
If I understand correctly, Ranger is saying that--for better or worse--4e heaps a lot of new stuff on our plates, putting every 4e player on a more-or-less equal footing (for those of us who--unlike me, for instance--haven't been devouring this stuff for years and may well know as much about Realms history as RL history).
It's a move (extrapolating Ranger's point) meant to open up new avenues of exploration to sages who know a LOT about the Realms.
Whether that's a good thing or not . . . as far as I can tell, Ranger's saying the "concept" is a good one, but no judgment about the execution.
And now back to your regularly-scheduled discussion!
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'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36971 Posts |
Posted - 11 Dec 2008 : 17:05:19
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Originally posted by Dagnirion
-Again, however, what has Hasbro specifically done? Why has Hasbro been doing things that people take exception to, as opposed to WotC being the group doing it (without receiving 'orders' from their parent company)? This is what I don't understand. Not liking things, and being angry at the company, that I understand. Why Hasbro, as opposed to just WotC, I don't.
WotC is an RPG company, and knows -- for the most part -- how to do business in the RPG industry. Hasbro, on the other hand, is a toy and game company. It is my belief that Hasbro, not understanding that the industries are different, is pushing WotC to perform more like a toy and game company. |
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
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3766 Posts |
Posted - 11 Dec 2008 : 17:38:24
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| -I don't believe it (for reasons highlighted above), but it makes some sense, and is certainly possible, in theory. |
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Hawkins
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 11 Dec 2008 : 19:08:31
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
WotC is an RPG company, and knows -- for the most part -- how to do business in the RPG industry. Hasbro, on the other hand, is a toy and game company. It is my belief that Hasbro, not understanding that the industries are different, is pushing WotC to perform more like a toy and game company.
This is part of what I was trying to indicate above. |
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Sian
Senior Scribe
Denmark
596 Posts |
Posted - 11 Dec 2008 : 21:13:36
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| would be interesting (though highly unlikely to happen) if Paizo ended up with the ball sitting on the rights to use 'D&D' ... if nothing else i expect that to be seen as a safe harbor for many gamers :) |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 11 Dec 2008 : 23:42:14
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
I didn't read that as a pejorative--it's more a testament to the love and interest and wealth of knowledge on the part of many, many people here.
You have a point. It's possible that comment wasn't meant in quite the way I took it to be.
I've heard people assert more than once on "the Other Boards" that fans of "the Old Realms" already know everything there is to know about the setting and "have it memorized", and expect everyone else to know it perfectly too. I'd always step in and reply that that isn't the case at all--there's a lot that even the most dedicated fans don't know, and I am constantly surprised at how much *I* don't know. I hope that little history explains where my previous post was coming from. |
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ranger_of_the_unicorn_run
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 12 Dec 2008 : 01:06:43
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
quote:
Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
I didn't read that as a pejorative--it's more a testament to the love and interest and wealth of knowledge on the part of many, many people here.
You have a point. It's possible that comment wasn't meant in quite the way I took it to be.
I've heard people assert more than once on "the Other Boards" that fans of "the Old Realms" already know everything there is to know about the setting and "have it memorized", and expect everyone else to know it perfectly too. I'd always step in and reply that that isn't the case at all--there's a lot that even the most dedicated fans don't know, and I am constantly surprised at how much *I* don't know. I hope that little history explains where my previous post was coming from.
I worded the comment kinda badly (probably because I wrote it about 1:00 in the morning) but what I'm really trying to say about the people here is that a lot of people are really dedicated to realmslore and always pursue more. I appreciate that there are people on here who know far more about it than I do because it gives me a source of knowledge. Just reading through the forums on here is giving me a lot of new insight into the realms, and I really appreciate being part of this kind of community. |
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Kentinal
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Posted - 12 Dec 2008 : 03:54:37
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Originally posted by Dagnirion
-Again, however, what has Hasbro specifically done? Why has Hasbro been doing things that people take exception to, as opposed to WotC being the group doing it (without receiving 'orders' from their parent company)? This is what I don't understand. Not liking things, and being angry at the company, that I understand. Why Hasbro, as opposed to just WotC, I don't.
The best answer I can give you is paraphased form a former employee of WotC.
Hasbro overall had less then expected profit. Thus it ordered cuts to all units (including WotC which at the time reportly was making more then desired goal as a unit) despite how much each unit was making that added to the profit line. The cut was reported to be a straight percentage. Reduce costs by set figure.
That report is a few years old and unverifiable by me if each unit cut costs by the same precent, or how much each unit did provide to the bottom line. This though clearly is the preception of Hasbro that sink or swim together, if one is sinking the others need to help swim. Which of course might result in all sinking, however a large corp. can doggie paddle for a while. *shrugs* |
"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
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"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 12 Dec 2008 : 15:39:00
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Originally posted by ranger_of_the_unicorn_run
I worded the comment kinda badly (probably because I wrote it about 1:00 in the morning)...
Hey, it happens. I'm sorry if I came off as snippy. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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dwarvenranger
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 18 Dec 2008 : 16:30:01
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Maybe we'll get lucky and Hasbro will put WOTC and the D&D license, or just the D&D license if they want to keep MTG, up for sale and Paizo will buy it  |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 18 Dec 2008 : 17:05:36
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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I hope that little history explains where my previous post was coming from.
Absolutely, 'Lyrna. Understood 100%.
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Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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Will there be a 5th Edition?
