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Stout Heart
Learned Scribe
USA
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 Posted - 10 Dec 2008 : 15:52:11
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Is there a full list of Shar's thirteen lies any where?
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Zanan
Senior Scribe
Germany
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Posted - 10 Dec 2008 : 16:30:53
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| No ... it is essentially a novel about a priestess of Selūne who opposes of one Sharran priestess of Shade. In that book, the "Leaves of One Night" are retrieved, pages from the book that later on is needed to call the Shadowstorm. |
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Stout Heart
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 10 Dec 2008 : 20:17:09
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| wait that confused me let me clarify. In the twilight war the frequently mention the thirteen truths of Shar. Unless I mistaken these are the tenets of thier goddess. Like the one that's often repeated through out the series " Only hate endures". That's what I was referring to, I was under the assumption that the leaves of one night which your referring to belonged to what was called the book to be made whole. If I understand you correctly the thirteen truths of shar is an actual novel that tells the tale of the leaves one night and book to be made whole? |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 10 Dec 2008 : 21:18:25
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I'm confused as well, but I believe the word you were trying to use there is 'tenets', not tenths. 
Zanan is German, so there could be some traslation problems with mispellings. |
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
USA
3740 Posts |
Posted - 10 Dec 2008 : 22:09:48
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Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall set me free.
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-Whoops. Wrong WotC RPG game...
-No, I do not believe that there is an actual list anywhere, but such a thing would be fun to make up. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 10 Dec 2008 : 22:50:43
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Heh. The Sith Code is kinda an interesting fit though, when you consider how the Sith do actually lie to themselves about their power.
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That aside, I wouldn't mind seeing a listing of the 13 lies myself. Though, I'd think I would want them vague, rather than specific... to reflect Shar's overall dogma.
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
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Posted - 11 Dec 2008 : 03:01:27
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Lie #1: In the end, there will only be Chris Perkins...
-No, that's not it. 
Tenet #1: In the end, there is nothing, only the eternal void.
Tenet #2: Attachment weakens the soul. It is only through disassociation that a being can overcome. |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
USA
3243 Posts |
Posted - 11 Dec 2008 : 03:34:20
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Originally posted by Dagnirion
Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall set me free.
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-Whoops. Wrong WotC RPG game...
-No, I do not believe that there is an actual list anywhere, but such a thing would be fun to make up.
Aww... You can't post the Sith code without the obligatory Jedi code!
There is no emotion, there is peace.
There is no ignorance, there is knowledge.
There is no passion, there is serenity.
There is no chaos, there is harmony.
There is no death, there is the Force.
Anyway, got this (dogma) off the Forgotten Realms Wikipedia. I believe it's from one of the novels
Reveal secrets only to fellow members of the faithful.
Never follow hope or turn to promises of success.
Quench the light of the moon (agents and items of Selūne) whenever you find it, and hide from it when you cannot prevail.
The dark is a time to act, not wait.
It is forbidden to strive to better your lot in life or to plan ahead save when directly overseen by the faithful of the Dark Deity.
Consorting with the faithful of good deities is a sin except in business dealings or to corrupt them from their beliefs.
Obey and never speak out against ranking clergy unless it would result in your own death. |
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
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Zanan
Senior Scribe
Germany
942 Posts |
Posted - 11 Dec 2008 : 09:24:49
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Originally posted by Markustay
I'm confused as well, but I believe the word you were trying to use there is 'tenets', not tenths.
Zanan is German, so there could be some traslation problems with mispellings.
WHAT is the problem with my reply!?   I did not mention anything about tenets or tenth or truth or whatever, just said what can be found ... or rather not be found in Mistress of Night*. The only thing that could be misleading is the title of the book itself, as it is about a Selūnite priestess. Though, on hindsight, the OP may not have looked at the novel, but just gave an alias of Shar to start his/her thread. 
* "Mistress of Night" @ Amazon
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Gęš a wyrd swa hio scel!
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
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Posted - 11 Dec 2008 : 13:47:29
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Originally posted by Dagnirion
-That's from Faiths & Avatars, and presumably reprinted in Faiths & Pantheons.
Thank you sir! I just checked my copy and it is the Dogma listed on page 58 of Faiths & Pantheons. |
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
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Stout Heart
Learned Scribe
USA
118 Posts |
Posted - 11 Dec 2008 : 17:00:54
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Originally posted by Zanan
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Originally posted by Markustay
I'm confused as well, but I believe the word you were trying to use there is 'tenets', not tenths.
Zanan is German, so there could be some traslation problems with mispellings.
WHAT is the problem with my reply!? I did not mention anything about tenets or tenth or truth or whatever, just said what can be found ... or rather not be found in Mistress of Night*. The only thing that could be misleading is the title of the book itself, as it is about a Selūnite priestess. Though, on hindsight, the OP may not have looked at the novel, but just gave an alias of Shar to start his/her thread.
* "Mistress of Night" @ Amazon
Mod Edit: Cast Shorten URL.
And that's where we got mixed up I didn't know mistress of the night was a book I was just using it to refer to Shar.
And for the record is says so much about us that well all know the Sith doctorate by heart lol. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 11 Dec 2008 : 17:08:11
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Originally posted by Zanan
WHAT is the problem with my reply!?
Zanan, I apologize if you took my post as some sort of insult. It was aimed at the post directly preceeding mine - by Stout Heart (the OP) - who not only used the word 'tenths' instead of tenets, but the line should have read "the tenets of their goddess", not "the tenths of there goddess", but the second point was minor so I didn't point it out.
I was part of another site that had a very large international membership, and learned to be very precise with my spelling (which is why I go back and corrrect so many of my posts later on). I have no idea how 'handy' some of the scribes here are with English, but on that site many members used translation apps to read the posts of others, so we all had to learn to be very precise with our spelling out of politeness, rather then just being a bunch of "Grammar Nazis" (NO pun intended there).
I was correcting him, just in case you were using such a program (which I doubt, but you never know).
As for the confusion - he was asking about a list, and you gave an answer pertaining to a novel - it was a bit of a 'mental jump', and thats why we were both like "huh?"
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
USA
3243 Posts |
Posted - 11 Dec 2008 : 18:41:29
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Originally posted by Markustay
...very precise with my spelling (which is why I go back and corrrect so many of my posts later on)...
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 11 Dec 2008 : 19:43:10
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Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
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Originally posted by Markustay
...very precise with my spelling (which is why I go back and corrrect so many of my posts later on)...
Oh, that is a great one!  |
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Stout Heart
Learned Scribe
USA
118 Posts |
Posted - 11 Dec 2008 : 19:51:09
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Sian
Senior Scribe
Denmark
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Posted - 11 Dec 2008 : 20:58:10
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote:
Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
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Originally posted by Markustay
...very precise with my spelling (which is why I go back and corrrect so many of my posts later on)...
Oh, that is a great one!
yeah ... give that man another spellchecker ... the one he's using is broke from the looks of it :p |
what happened to the queen? she's much more hysterical than usual
She's a women, it happens once a month |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Zanan
Senior Scribe
Germany
942 Posts |
Posted - 12 Dec 2008 : 01:16:01
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Originally posted by Markustay
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Originally posted by Zanan
WHAT is the problem with my reply!?
Zanan, I apologize if you took my post as some sort of insult. ...
Sorry if you took that badly in any way - I meant NO disrespect.
Easy, Markustay. I'd never have used smileys if I had taken it that serious or disrespectful. Point is, I know Shar primarily as "Nightsinger" or "Mistress of Night" and never noted that there is actually, much like in the novel title, a "the" in the latter alias. Hence I was only thinking of the novel. But of course I am flattered that you thought of a "mental jump" when commenting on my article.
The Sage-fixed* Zanan!
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