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Mythander
Learned Scribe
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 Posted - 21 Jul 2003 : 19:42:01
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OK, we have tomes with main characters such as:
Humans
Elves
Half Elves
Sea Elves
Dwarves
Halflings
Drow
A Half Fiend
Firebolgs
Giants
also a few short stories with:
Wemics
Merfolk
These are good, but they are just a small percentage of the Races of the Realms. With books like Races of Faerun and Savage Species, I hope to see more. With that said: What races would you like to see more of and enter the spotlight?
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Mythander
Learned Scribe
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121 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jul 2003 : 20:45:06
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I'll Start:
I would love to see a Gold or Silver Dragon as a Main character of a novel. I feel that they are too rarely seen. In such a novel i would like to see some Dragon vs. Dragon conflict.
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Malanthius
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 22 Jul 2003 : 00:36:28
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What is it people have against Trolls? Has there ever been a truly more misunderstood race? Honestly, people are willing to even give the drow a fair shake, but the minute anyone ever uses the word "troll" in a sentance, it's "grab the torches and pitch forks!"
Alright, i concede the points about our overall lack of civilization, bathing (hey-nobody ever asked us nicely to bathe you know. they could be polite.) somewhat unsavory dietary habits, overall conduct as a group, but all of these very fine issues are no reason to dismiss us as a species!
And the way we're portrayed in most of the novels, why you'd think their weren't two brain cells among us. (admittedly i am a slightly unusual case, but still) none of these things are completely uncorrectable, take myself as an example. I'm proud to say it's been a whole two weeks since the last time i ate an elf.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 22 Jul 2003 : 02:19:08
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I would really like to see Dragons take the lead role in something with FR. Of course in Dragonlance this is not an issue, so half of my thoughts on this are already complete.
But if I really wanted to see a novel or any type of story about a monstrous creature...it would have to be a rogue Modron, or failing that, an Illithid.
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Osmo
Acolyte
Australia
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Posted - 22 Jul 2003 : 02:39:01
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There are a group of book written from the orcs perspective, which I think are a humorous but interesting look into orc social structure. So thats been done. A good series of books on the Thayvians would be nice. Allthough pretty morbid, the Thay are stangelly interesting, like Singapore or China  |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 22 Jul 2003 : 02:47:57
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That may be true, however Thayvians are not really a Monstrous Creature race, no matter what some inhabitants of the Realms may think  .
Mythander was asking for favorite monstrous creatures to take the spotlight, my friend.
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Mournblade
Master of Realmslore
USA
1287 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jul 2003 : 06:36:44
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I would totally like to see a novel where there are two main characters:
A shrieker and a GAS spore!!! Think of the plot lines that could produce. It would be great, talking about the floating of the gas spore, and the shrieking of the shreiker. ooooo.
That would be a suspenseful one.
hmmm...
what would it be titled? The Loud Shroomin Spore, the Shroom speaks its mind. hmmmmm...
THE SPORIAD
SPORE TROUBLE
FLOATING AIMLESSLY
UP UP AND AWAY IN MY BEAUTIFUL BALOON
YOU THOUGHT THAT FART WAS LOUD
WHEN YOUR FOOD SCREAMS ITS DANGEROUS
NO! THAT IS NOT A PINYATTA
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Sadonayerah Odrydin
Learned Scribe
USA
210 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jul 2003 : 06:53:44
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Mournblade: Lol. That would be intriguing!
What about a jelly? Like the kind you see in the sewers in Baldurs Gate 2: Shadows of Amn. "A day in the life of a jelly"....  That could prove to be amusing.
Or goblins. Maybe I'm shooting in the dark here but I haven't read many FR books. How about a gnome main character? That would be kind of cool. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 22 Jul 2003 : 07:38:21
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I like the titles Mournblade . Ever think of helping me out maybe with my special and crazy April Fool's Day adventures that I craft every year, some of which you have read about previously, I believe?. I could really see something like this taking place in one of those adventures.
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Mournblade
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 22 Jul 2003 : 08:08:49
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JUST WHEN YOU THOUGHT IT WAS SAFE TO GO BACK IN THE HALLWAY...
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The Sage
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Posted - 22 Jul 2003 : 08:30:19
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Another fine title .
Seriously though, getting back to topic, I think that an Aarakocra main character would also be very interesting. I would really like to see something like this. Or even something genasi based, for another.
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zemd
Master of Realmslore
France
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Posted - 22 Jul 2003 : 08:49:18
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 22 Jul 2003 : 09:17:21
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A goblin main character would definitely be a good idea, as it would add a level of complexity to this easily misunderstood race. I know a lot of players who look upon goblins as merely 'cannon-fodder'. I think a goblin main character story/novel would at least start to correct this misconception.
I don't like it when players fit monstrous creatures into convenient molds, and stereotypes because to me it shows that they are really not taking into consideration every detail and every aspect of the race. Of course it makes it easier to spring unexpected things the players way, but this some becomes less fun, when players start ignoring common things about simple and basic creatures all the time.
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MuadDib
Senior Scribe
South Africa
442 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jul 2003 : 09:54:33
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In the novel Realms of Infamy, there is a story with Goblin protagonists, in fact, its entirely about goblins. Anyone who has read it will know what i mean when i say i found it incredibly difficult to read, and was really uncomfortable the whole way through.
The half-Goblin Jesus figure did NOT work for me at all  |
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MuadDib
Senior Scribe
South Africa
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Posted - 22 Jul 2003 : 11:29:02
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In realms of infamy, there is a story, i cant for the life of me remember what its name was, and the story was about a group of Goblins and one half-human-half-goblin, who was blind and whose mother raised it to be some sort of leader.
Problem is, the story basically reads as if the half-goblin was a messiah of some sorts, come to deliver the goblins from servitude or some such. Then the story goes on about this half-breed preaching to the Goblins saying humans think they are the greatest evil as was shown by the half-breed's mother being raped by a human and that it was time for the Goblins to show humans they were more evil. Subsequently, they go out and ravage the neighbouring lands. All through the story though, this one liutenant Goblin never understand why everyone is totally believing in this messiah and can not understand why he should listen to the preacher, he only does because of his loyalty to the Goblins.
Then, the most disturbing part, which im sure will remain with me forever, is at the end, they are slaughtering woman and children, the usual, quite casually, and as some human riders are bearing down on them about to kill them all. The goblin liutenant finally understands the messiah's purpose (ie to show humans who is the most evil) and as he charges the knights he said he finally understood what his purpose was and the only way he could describe this feeling was to say, "It felt just like love".
So as i said, quite disturbing, even for a short story. Thankfully though, the author, at the comments pages at the back, said the story was incredibly hard to write.
Thats about all i can remember of the story, its in the somewhere, just take a look. I seem to recall the author had a Kevin in his name, although i could very well be wrong... |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
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Posted - 22 Jul 2003 : 12:07:47
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| Yes, I remember that story now. It was very odd. I basically just skimmed it, and then put it out of my mind. I'm used to anthologies having some bad eggs in them. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 22 Jul 2003 : 12:54:31
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I found the story, it is called 'Vision' by Roger E. Moore. I don't seem to remember it to well so I might set to reading it tonight before I go to sleep.
On the 'Contributor's Notes' page he described writing the story 'Vision', as "not fun".
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Bookwyrm
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Posted - 22 Jul 2003 : 12:57:30
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| That's okay. Reading it was the same way. |
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MuadDib
Senior Scribe
South Africa
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Posted - 22 Jul 2003 : 13:56:01
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yeah, well details....but you see what i mean
Read the story and tell me what you think... |
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Mythander
Learned Scribe
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121 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jul 2003 : 16:51:25
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Originally posted by Sadonayerah Odrydin
Or goblins. Maybe I'm shooting in the dark here but I haven't read many FR books. How about a gnome main character? That would be kind of cool.
There was a story, but I cannot remember what book it was in. It was about Drizzt and a goblin. It was very interesting since it showcased a non-evil goblin and we got to see the persecution of the race. I really enjoy the stories that move out of the black and white these creatures are evil and these creatures are good mentality. |
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Sadonayerah Odrydin
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 22 Jul 2003 : 19:23:26
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Originally posted by Mythander
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There was a story, but I cannot remember what book it was in. It was about Drizzt and a goblin. It was very interesting since it showcased a non-evil goblin and we got to see the persecution of the race. I really enjoy the stories that move out of the black and white these creatures are evil and these creatures are good mentality.
I remember that one. It was in Realms of Valor I think.
MuadDib: I didn't know Realms of Infamy had a goblin story in it. I'll have to check that out. *nods* |
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Mournblade
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 22 Jul 2003 : 22:17:37
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I read the story about the goblin with Drizzt. That story made me pretty certaiin I did not want to read any Forgotten Realms anthologies. I only read realms of valour. I found the other anthologies VERY difficult to get hooked with. THe stories all seemed so... weak. The problem with writing heartfelt stories about greenskins is that it starts to sound too politically correct. I like to keep my fantasy world far from the problems of this world, so for me Orcs work as a good evil to fight against. I found the drizzt/goblin story annoying and politically correct. About the only sci fi thing I thought was worse than some of these anthologies was TALES of the BOUNTY HUNTER.
The short stories of the forgotten Realms do not seem like they could stand well on their own. A good piece of writing should be able to stand alone. The FR short stories could not. I think a non-realms reader would get bored quickly. Quite like the city of shade trilogy. That did not seem like it could capture the attention of non realms readers.
Pretty much it seems Elaine Cunningham, The early salvatore stuff, and some of the earlier forgotten realms novels are the only ones that can really stand alone. |
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The Sage
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Posted - 23 Jul 2003 : 03:24:46
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That's an interesting perspective Mournblade, and a perspective I can agree with to an extent. I really felt that Realms of Valor, Realms of Infamy, and Realms of Mystery were all particularly weak, at least in respect to character development and imagery. You are right also, in that these anthologies could bnever stand-alone. That is way I prefer the Dragonlance anthologies, they are much more real and intune with the actual world of Krynn.
I think the only two I really enjoyed were Realms of the Underdark, and the recent Realms of Shadow, but that last one was only because it fitted in so well with the RotAW trilogy.
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Mournblade
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 23 Jul 2003 : 05:56:40
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Originally posted by Sage of Perth
That's an interesting perspective Mournblade, and a perspective I can agree with to an extent. I really felt that Realms of Valor, Realms of Infamy, and Realms of Mystery were all particularly weak, at least in respect to character development and imagery. You are right also, in that these anthologies could bnever stand-alone. That is way I prefer the Dragonlance anthologies, they are much more real and intune with the actual world of Krynn.
I think the only two I really enjoyed were Realms of the Underdark, and the recent Realms of Shadow, but that last one was only because it fitted in so well with the RotAW trilogy.
The dragonlance stuff has as much of a following outside of the D&D cirlce as it has inside of it. TSR did a good job at marketing that to FANTASY fans more so than D&D gamers. I think however, that the same applies to the NEW dragonlance books. I have not read them, so I cannot offer an opinion, but it seems that some of the novels sound like they are succumbing to the "fanatics of dragonlance will read ANYTHING" syndrome, much like the forgotten realms. Sometimes people will buy anything for the name it has. I used to not think that I would, until I realized, if they made a STAR WARS or Forgotten Realms TOILET PAPER I would propably buy it. Sad I know. But still. Forgotten Realm Toilet paper. hmmmmmmm....
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The Sage
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Posted - 23 Jul 2003 : 07:31:47
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I won't agree or disagree with your point Mournblade because as you said, you have not read any of the new DL material. However I find most of the recent DL material to have been of a lot better standard than some of the FR material that has been published at roughly the same time, with the exceptions of both the WotSQ series and the 'Sembia' series.
In fact, the War of Souls trilogy was particularly well done, and even if you don't read anything else about DL ever, I suggest you make the effort to read this trilogy, it is well worth it. If WotC ever wanted to end the saga on a high note, this trilogy would be it.
As for the FR toilet paper, maybe something like Villain of the Day toilet paper would be interesting, eh? .
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Bookwyrm
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Posted - 23 Jul 2003 : 08:01:58
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MuadDib
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Posted - 23 Jul 2003 : 10:36:09
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I think Gnome main character could be good, but then i think about Regis as the lead in a stoy and i cringe.
I dont like midgets j/k
I guess i just dont know enough about them |
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The Sage
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Posted - 23 Jul 2003 : 12:54:47
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Perhaps, you should look into finding a copy of the 2e accessory Complete Book of Gnomes and Halflings, it really helps to define these races.
I am sending you a special link that details quite a bit of information about these races.
Enjoy .
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DrizzitFan
Acolyte
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Posted - 24 Jul 2003 : 08:08:19
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Actually it might be interesting for the writers to come from the perspective of the monster. Like one of the beholders in the RotAW trilogy, being controlled and doing unspeakable (for a beholder) things to other nasty good beings.
Or as an Illithid (mindflayer) in the cavern where Drizzit n Zak create chaos in DE trilogy.
Or even to have an arc based on a beholder kinda like how Xantam came to power in the BG:DA game. What do ya think? |
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