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Markustay
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 Posted - 24 Feb 2017 : 04:48:49
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Originally posted by George Krashos
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Originally posted by dazzlerdal
Well as George appears to be busy here is my answer (with a bit of my own fluff).
So the Rengarth and Angarth are Ulou people.
He has been busy indeed.
Why do they have to be Ulou and travel vast distances to stop in a place that is no different from their homeland? Why can't they just be indigenous to the area?
-- George Krashos
Thats was my thought as well.
A LONG time ago I had connected the eastern and western people in cromagnum-like group called 'the Cortai people' (like 'the Clovis people' RW), and this group split, with half staying in the west (Faerūn) and the other group traveling east, into Kara-Tur. Some of this was based on stuff in Brian James' original GHotR, but he referred to them as 'Pozi' (the group that split). I called the two groups the Issa-Cortae (Issacortae IS a canon native group to northern K-T), and the Illu-Cortae.
later, however, I learned that the Illuskans/Northmen were NOT indigenous to The North, so I dropped that line of reasoning, and I think BJ did much the same with his stuff in the GHotR, when the canon version came out. That Cortai/Pozi group would have been forerunners to many of our early groups in canon (like the Talfir, and Tethyrians). At some point I grew very fond of a new theory - that a lot of the early peoles in Faerūn were part of a 'lost group abducted by the Imaskari I dubbed the 'Dathtes' (because I REALLY hate that an ethnic group has the same name as a national group - "Chondathans from Chessenta" just sounds wrong to me). so this interloper Dathites took the place of those 'cave men' in my early musings, but serve the same purpose - to have one group from which all others sprang.
I no longer think any of that matters as much as I used to. Too many interlopers over the years, from other worlds and other continents, to really boil-down exact proto-groups.
At the end of the day, just apply Occam's Razor. If they are in an area, and you have nothing actually connecting them to anything else, why over-complicate matters? Thats where they're from. I think the other barbarians that the Uthgart absorbed were of many different backgrounds, probably even a bit of Turami. There have been mass exodus' over the years of people fleeing one disaster or another from every corner of Toril. |
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Markustay
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Posted - 24 Feb 2017 : 23:44:15
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As much as I love that article, it has a few problems, especially in regards to the fact that newer lore came out (in 3e) that messed some of that up. Still, he did an insanely good job for what he had to work with (offhand mentions of languages in a hundred+ sources).
Even Greyhawk, as 'bare bones' as it was, handled languages better (they even had one of those nifty historic maps that showed migrations of early peoples - something we've always lacked).
My 'fix' by way of fixiness (thats officially a word now):
Take the article as something written by a Candlekeep sage (Yes, I know, nothing original about that take at all). But the devil's in the details - Rengardt IS related to Ulou, as is Netherese, but NOT because those groups are 'Eastern' (our Asian), but because all those groups hail from the same region originally. Netherese and Rengarth are already connected by blood - they're all Gur, that came from the Gur/Kalmyk/Suren Lands (similar to our RW northern slavic/Cossack groups).
Now, the entry in the GHotR about where the Uliutians (which I agree are closely related to the Ice hunters) came from is based on this bit from pg.93 of bk.I of the K-T box -
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After battling a bakemono horde at the Hill of Namaskar, Queen Triala of the Tayamulchi decided that her homeland was no longer safe. Guided by a divinely-inspired vision, or so she claimed, her people would leave in search of a new land. It would be a rich land where the reindeer would thrive, where the streams are almost choked with salmon, where the winters are mild and in summer the forest overflows with nourishment.
The clans elected to follow her vision; it provided more hope than what was promised by the wolfish tribes that surrounded them in the Ama Basin. Therefore they journeyed north, vengefully razing some
humanoid territory on the way, into the Land of Snow Demons.
The Issacortae do not appear 'as Asian' (walking on eggs here...) as other K-T peoples, and that - and the fact that their tribal organizations sound far more Eurpoean/Celtic - is one of the big things that made me even try connecting the east and west. The Issacortae are native to the Ama basin, which happens to fall out right alongside the Gur lands, and both fall within the ancient boundaries of the Kalmyk empire (BTW, there's tons more history about that empire and its leaders in Horselords, which come to Yamun Khahan in dreams). So, both the predecessors of the Uliutians(sp?) and the predecessors of the Netherese/Rengarth came from the same general area.
So can they understand each other? Maybe a tiny bit. About as close as South American Spanish dialects and French (which are both rooted in Latin, AGES ago). So connected, but through so many different groups and displacements they'd barely be recognizable to each other.
Now, we might go a bit further and theorize that that proto-laguage was closely associated with Imaskari, but in my own HB musings, I have it where it is closer to Anoguel, the language of the Anoque, an interloper-group that came to the lands of Imaskar during their height, and controlled the eastern portion of the empire (which later fragmented). Anoque had red hair - ranging from brownish to strawberry blond, were very tall (taller then the Imaskari, and WAY taller than the indigenous eastern Haltai peoples - what we call 'Shou' today, but modern Shou are actually a mix of sevral Kara-Turran ethnicities), have very large, 'almond' eyes, much like and elf's, and had a very different type of magic than the Imaskari (more nature/spirit based - Anoque are actually a group of spirit folk, but intermixed for so many generations that they are their own distinct group by the time they arrive on Toril).
I created that group to explain-away a BUNCH of stuff (think of them as a rug I was able to sweep stuff under). Most of the K-T aristocracy are very tall - unlike the peasants - and tend toward reddish hair in several provinces (that parts canon - if you trace the hair coloring across the provinces as I did, it moves from the Imaskar border directly toward the capital, 'lessening' in intensity as it travels east, indicating a slow admixture of native bloodlines over time, as Anok-Imaskar became Shou-Lung). It also helps with the differences in magical traditions we see in several Imaskar survivor-states. K-T canon does say that the shou came 'from elsewhere', following a celestial dragon to a 'new world', so my 'fudgery' allows us to take into account for that as well, and still leave us several indigenous K-T groups that already existed in the east, before the arrival of the Shou (which simply translates as 'followers').
So, ummm... yeah. That was longer than i meant it to be. But if there is any one, single proto-language for this conundrum you mention, its that it came from these interlopers originally (Imaskar DID rule over all those lands and peoples at one time or another). |
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Markustay
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Posted - 24 Feb 2017 : 23:51:05
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| And bear in mind that the northern portion of Toril - from 'The North' through the Moonsea region, Bloodstone Lands, The wastes, and on into the Ama Basin - is MUCH closer than it actually appears on a flat map. We are talking about a language that was just popular around 'the top of the world' a few thousand years ago. Look up 'Arctic Ethnic groups' and you'll read how they're all interrelated RW, and apply that to Toril's past - just like that (Thule people, who were proto-Eskimos). |
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George Krashos
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Posted - 25 Feb 2017 : 21:49:17
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The Realms of the Dragon short story anthologies point to a huge, undetailed part of FR history relating to the Time of Dragons where great wyrms ruled Realms and subjugated local humans and elves (and likely all other races as well - save where they saw them only as food). Both metallic and chromatic dragons did this and I've always thought that the Netherese and their innate talent for the Art was as a result of being descended from just such a situation.
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TomCosta
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Posted - 05 Mar 2017 : 16:41:55
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| So my language article was hopefully as accurate as it could have been when it got published (including referencing Eric Boyd's notes on migration patterns), but you all are right that subsequent lore messed a bit with what I had done. Sean Reynolds thought my article was too detailed for a fantasy world, so he simplified it quite a bit for 3E. In many respects, I totally agree with him, at least from a gaming perspective. Then 4E messed with a bit more and now in 5E, some bits have resurfaced. I think its a bit weird, but I haven't had the wherewithal to go back and try to suss it all out. |
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Brian R. James
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Posted - 05 Mar 2017 : 17:20:43
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D&D can have a thousand skills, spells, monsters, prestige classes, etc..., but when it comes to fleshing out languages we need something simple?
This is the part where I roll my eyes at Sean Reynolds' comment, and continue referencing your excellent article Tom. |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 05 Mar 2017 : 18:26:43
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I respect the hell out of SKR; he's done some damn good stuff, and I very much went all fanboi on him when I met him at GenCon last year (he handed me a book I'd pre-ordered at the Monte Cook Games booth). That said, I've disagreed with some of his ideas more than once, and I don't think that language is a place where thing should be simplified.
Except for the way all D&D characters seem to be linguistic masters and know like 4 or 5 languages right off the bat. That's long seemed odd to me, though it could be because we 'Muricans ( ) only speak one language, and a lot of us are pretty bad at that one. |
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Wrigley
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Posted - 07 Mar 2017 : 18:24:17
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| 2-3 languages are norm in europe. Also take in that lot of those characters have above average inteligence (that is why they have those bonus languages) or they learned them instead of other skills/proficiencies. You are also probably cosidering racial languages and common. |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 07 Mar 2017 : 20:03:52
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Originally posted by Wrigley
2-3 languages are norm in europe. Also take in that lot of those characters have above average inteligence (that is why they have those bonus languages) or they learned them instead of other skills/proficiencies. You are also probably cosidering racial languages and common.
But the flipside is that unless a character grows up in a major city, they're not going to have any access to those other languages... If your character is a former farmboy, and never saw anyone that wasn't human before leaving the farm, what are the odds that he knows how to speak, read and write in drow, elven, and infernal?
That's the weirdness, for me: regardless of background, everyone and their third cousin is multilingual, and are often fluent in languages they shouldn't have ever even heard. |
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Wrigley
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Posted - 08 Mar 2017 : 16:58:34
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| That is up to DM to look over such nonsense. I deal with it by giving those languages as potential if it make no sense at the time so character can pick up some languages on the road. Player is not disadvantaged and it make sense. |
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Lukas Kain
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Posted - 09 Apr 2017 : 09:22:12
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Hey George, I hope things are well. So I feel like I've seen this mentioned somewhere (I didn't find it though), but I've been curious about Sarshel the True. Near as I can tell he's human, which would put him in his early/mid-70s when he led the crusade and fought Ndulu. I'm just wondering what his whole deal is; what was he up to before he took up crusading? I pretty sure he's not home-grown Impilturan (I want to say Tethyr), and at 70ish he'd had to have been involved in many things before he became king of a nation that isn't his home.
How is it he maintains his physical prowess into such an advanced age? Does it have to do with being a paladin, or is he both naturally gifted and vigilant with his fitness a la Barristan the Bold? |
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George Krashos
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Posted - 10 Apr 2017 : 02:25:44
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Originally posted by Lukas Kain
Hey George, I hope things are well. So I feel like I've seen this mentioned somewhere (I didn't find it though), but I've been curious about Sarshel the True. Near as I can tell he's human, which would put him in his early/mid-70s when he led the crusade and fought Ndulu. I'm just wondering what his whole deal is; what was he up to before he took up crusading? I pretty sure he's not home-grown Impilturan (I want to say Tethyr), and at 70ish he'd had to have been involved in many things before he became king of a nation that isn't his home.
How is it he maintains his physical prowess into such an advanced age? Does it have to do with being a paladin, or is he both naturally gifted and vigilant with his fitness a la Barristan the Bold?
Well, the answer is pretty straightforward: Sarshel was one of the Racked. The Racked were paladins and priests of Ilmater that received special blessings and favors because it was "needful" from the point of view of that deity, usually in the context of some great quest, war or task. The Racked retained their vigor and strength (in effect immune to the effects of aging) well into their advanced years, but still "felt" all of those effects. In other words, Sarshel still had the strength and stamina of his youth, but it hurt like hell. Once Sarshel had completed his great task - the defeat of the Scaled Horde in the Fiend Wars - he lost his Racked status and swiftly succumbed to a host of age-related maladies, living on for only two more, painful years.
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
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Posted - 10 Apr 2017 : 20:21:02
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Originally posted by George Krashos
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Originally posted by Lukas Kain
Hey George, I hope things are well. So I feel like I've seen this mentioned somewhere (I didn't find it though), but I've been curious about Sarshel the True. Near as I can tell he's human, which would put him in his early/mid-70s when he led the crusade and fought Ndulu. I'm just wondering what his whole deal is; what was he up to before he took up crusading? I pretty sure he's not home-grown Impilturan (I want to say Tethyr), and at 70ish he'd had to have been involved in many things before he became king of a nation that isn't his home.
How is it he maintains his physical prowess into such an advanced age? Does it have to do with being a paladin, or is he both naturally gifted and vigilant with his fitness a la Barristan the Bold?
Well, the answer is pretty straightforward: Sarshel was one of the Racked. The Racked were paladins and priests of Ilmater that received special blessings and favors because it was "needful" from the point of view of that deity, usually in the context of some great quest, war or task. The Racked retained their vigor and strength (in effect immune to the effects of aging) well into their advanced years, but still "felt" all of those effects. In other words, Sarshel still had the strength and stamina of his youth, but it hurt like hell. Once Sarshel had completed his great task - the defeat of the Scaled Horde in the Fiend Wars - he lost his Racked status and swiftly succumbed to a host of age-related maladies, living on for only two more, painful years.
-- George Krashos
George, I'm gonna applaud that invention... the Racked... I like that idea and it so fits Ilmater. What better way to represent someone who "suffers so that others won't" than to have this guy feeling all the pain of being old and still going on to stop what he sees as being a problem for his people. He even pounded out a kid at 55 (that poor young girl :-) ), because well... he could. You know, I'd pretty much convinced myself that if I were in the realms the red knight would be my goddess, but now I'm wondering. |
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Markustay
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Posted - 17 Apr 2017 : 22:07:23
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You're probably already aware of this, but while looking for something (in a non-OCR book... UGH!) I came across an entry in SotM about Malanthus Stormstaern, and its says he had a keep somewhere around the headwaters of the Fire River in the Earthfast Mountains.
That would put his buried (by an avalanche) Keep very close to - if not right beneath - the Citadel of Conjurers. 
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Originally posted by sleyvas
George, I'm gonna applaud that invention... the Racked... I like that idea and it so fits Ilmater. What better way to represent someone who "suffers so that others won't" than to have this guy feeling all the pain of being old and still going on to stop what he sees as being a problem for his people. He even pounded out a kid at 55 (that poor young girl :-) ), because well... he could. You know, I'd pretty much convinced myself that if I were in the realms the red knight would be my goddess, but now I'm wondering.
AHEM...
I'll have you know I'm 53, going on 54, and although I may not have the stamina of my youth, I still have much of my strength. The 'young girl' as you put it would feel blessed, believe you me. 
Weird that this came up - my youngest turns 16 this year, and I've been considering getting remarried and having a couple more kids. I just don't know who the lucky woman I want to 'bless' is yet. |
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George Krashos
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Posted - 18 Apr 2017 : 01:55:38
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Originally posted by Markustay
You're probably already aware of this, but while looking for something (in a non-OCR book... UGH!) I came across an entry in SotM about Malanthus Stormstaern, and its says he had a keep somewhere around the headwaters of the Fire River in the Earthfast Mountains.
That would put his buried (by an avalanche) Keep very close to - if not right beneath - the Citadel of Conjurers.
Aware indeed. Track down my dragon write up of Ouranalathra "the Mistmaiden" to see what I did with that reference.
Not very close. Closish geographically but there is no direct travel path between the two sites unless you are an expert mountaineer or can fly.
-- George Krashos
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Markustay
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Posted - 18 Apr 2017 : 02:11:01
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Originally posted by George Krashos
P.S. More kids?!? I admire your courage.
I've thought about it before, but I have to make sure I would be doing it for the right reasons.
I would also have to find the PERFECT person if I were ever to consider sharing my life with someone again, and since that is highly unlikely (especially at my age), right now its just a mental exercise, nothing more.
Having four boys, though, and seeing pictures of other people's beautiful daughters, I can't help but feel I missed something special, not have a 'daddy's girl'. On the other hand, I also see what my friends have gone through when their daughters became teenagers.
I have nieces... I'll probably continue to make do with that. |
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Rivenhelm
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Posted - 09 May 2017 : 23:02:47
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G-Kimmel,
Not to derail any ongoing thread here, but was wondering if you're still planning on making Gen Con this year? Not only is it celebrating 30 years of Gray Box goodness, but it's also 50 years old itself! It's looking very good for me to attend as my work schedule has lined up to allow me to try to attend in many many years, and it would be my first. Would be cool to see ya if you could make it. I'm sure it'll be something not to miss. Too bad Ed can't attend, but that is understandable. His imprint is always there.
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George Krashos
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Posted - 10 May 2017 : 04:55:15
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Originally posted by Rivenhelm
G-Kimmel,
Not to derail any ongoing thread here, but was wondering if you're still planning on making Gen Con this year? Not only is it celebrating 30 years of Gray Box goodness, but it's also 50 years old itself! It's looking very good for me to attend as my work schedule has lined up to allow me to try to attend in many many years, and it would be my first. Would be cool to see ya if you could make it. I'm sure it'll be something not to miss. Too bad Ed can't attend, but that is understandable. His imprint is always there.
Take Care,
R....
Unfortunately other people's travel plans have torpedoed my ability to get to GEN-CON this year. I'm unhappy about it as the milestones are significant, but alas it's not to be. I should be able to get there next year, but as with all such things it will depend on a range of factors. Thanks for sending a thought my way!
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
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Posted - 10 May 2017 : 13:06:06
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Originally posted by Markustay
You're probably already aware of this, but while looking for something (in a non-OCR book... UGH!) I came across an entry in SotM about Malanthus Stormstaern, and its says he had a keep somewhere around the headwaters of the Fire River in the Earthfast Mountains.
That would put his buried (by an avalanche) Keep very close to - if not right beneath - the Citadel of Conjurers.
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Originally posted by sleyvas
George, I'm gonna applaud that invention... the Racked... I like that idea and it so fits Ilmater. What better way to represent someone who "suffers so that others won't" than to have this guy feeling all the pain of being old and still going on to stop what he sees as being a problem for his people. He even pounded out a kid at 55 (that poor young girl :-) ), because well... he could. You know, I'd pretty much convinced myself that if I were in the realms the red knight would be my goddess, but now I'm wondering.
AHEM...
I'll have you know I'm 53, going on 54, and although I may not have the stamina of my youth, I still have much of my strength. The 'young girl' as you put it would feel blessed, believe you me.
Weird that this came up - my youngest turns 16 this year, and I've been considering getting remarried and having a couple more kids. I just don't know who the lucky woman I want to 'bless' is yet.
Lol, Mark, good luck with that. I'm almost 46 and my gf has an 8 year old. The idea of raising anything approaching another child is out the window.
Sidenote: my head must be groggy? SotM.... the only thing coming to me is Sword of the Morning, which is Game of Thrones. What's that about? Oh, and good find on the entry. It would well fit the Citadel of the Conjurers if there was some kind of elementalist type near there. |
Alavairthae, may your skill prevail
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 11 May 2017 : 06:02:32
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Originally posted by sleyvas
Sidenote: my head must be groggy? SotM.... the only thing coming to me is Sword of the Morning, which is Game of Thrones. What's that about? Oh, and good find on the entry. It would well fit the Citadel of the Conjurers if there was some kind of elementalist type near there.
Secrets of the Magister.
Oh, and I'm 47 and have a 7 year old. It's lots of fun as she is unashamedly daddy's princess. I might have gone again - have 3 - in my early 40s but likely not now.
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
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Posted - 11 May 2017 : 13:04:11
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Originally posted by George Krashos
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Originally posted by sleyvas
Sidenote: my head must be groggy? SotM.... the only thing coming to me is Sword of the Morning, which is Game of Thrones. What's that about? Oh, and good find on the entry. It would well fit the Citadel of the Conjurers if there was some kind of elementalist type near there.
Secrets of the Magister.
Oh, and I'm 47 and have a 7 year old. It's lots of fun as she is unashamedly daddy's princess. I might have gone again - have 3 - in my early 40s but likely not now.
-- George Krashos
Secrets of the Magister... damn, been a LONG time since I've looked at that, but it was a good product for its time. Thanks.
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Rivenhelm
Acolyte
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Posted - 14 May 2017 : 06:33:35
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Sorry to hear about that George!! I know you were looking forward to attending. Would have been cool to meet ya and chat, but things happen. I'm still not entirely sure I'll make it myself! Hope all is well with you, and that it's not something serious preventing you from going.
Take care,
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Gary Dallison
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George Krashos
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Posted - 03 Jul 2017 : 15:04:43
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So what is it with Impiltur that prevents more uprisings and rebellions during weak monarchs (such as now with a child king)?
Good question. As you've noted, Impiltur doesn't have a large army, a phenomenon which dates back to the time of King Lashilmbrar who was a paranoid sort and didn't want any potential weapon available to his (perceived) foes to use against him. A pure military takeover of the realm would be difficult, simply because of the kingdom's geography and the fact that the standing army is spread widely throughout the kingdom. Separated into three groupings, you would have to subvert all three at the same time to control the kingdom in totality - a very difficult task indeed.
So rebellion. Impiltur has had its fair share through the ages. Even in recent history we have the mini-revolt of Ilmara's consort Rilaun and the much more significant actions of the "Traitor Prince" Thaum of Telflamm. The establishment of the Lords of Imphras II and the Order of the Shrike has brought significant order and internal security to the realm since the accession of King Rilimbrar. The Lords are active within many levels of authority, keep a tight rein on the Constables and Heralds who do the local governing, and remain ever-vigilant in terms of any threats to the realm, external and internal.
Then of course, there are the Crownstars. Essentially the "secret police" of the kingdom, the Crownstars operate widely and afford the throne significant ongoing intelligence regarding what is happening in the kingdom, even in its farflung reaches.
Outside the authority of the Crown we have a group of nobles - old blood and new blood - who are not disaffected. Many of the new blood families have ties of blood and service with the Heltharns, while the old blood families understand that many of their familial origins are rooted in devastating events in the realm's history (the Fiend Wars, the Kingless Years, etc.) which wiped out as many families as were later elevated. A strong monarchy is a shield against such happenings in the future and they know all too well that the kingdom continues to face many perils. The lurking threat of demonic activity is an age-old bugbear that unifies the citizens of Impiltur, royal, noble and commoner alike and that coupled with the ever-present threat of the hobgoblins in the northern mountains make folk of power think twice about inciting revolt and rebellion.
The demise of several boy kings and the longer than expected rule of the Queen-Regent Sambryl has set tongues wagging over the decades as well as spun more than a few plots, but there is no feeling in the kingdom generally that the Heltharns are stale or ineffective rulers. The issues regarding the succession have only reinforced to the general populace that the realm is beset by foes and that only unity and common purpose can see them endure. This ties in with the teachings of the Triad which as the quasi-state religion indoctrinates much of the population in terms of its thinking on most topics from day to day.
So, basically, the significant majority of the folk of Impiltur regard the monarchy positively and are not of the view that a change in "who rules" will benefit the kingdom and them, more importantly. That's not to say that there aren't disaffected nobles, traitors and rebels within Impiltur, but the reality is that there is little prospect of them doing any lasting or permanent change to the power structure of the kingdom.
As for Damara, the politics of that place are well set out in FR9 The Bloodstone Lands. How King Gareth has managed to consolidate and unify the disparate factions and groups of his kingdom says much about his diplomatic skills and his ability to bring people together. I see Damara as very reliant on King Gareth - with him gone, I can see the realm destabilising swiftly unless another charismatic, strong leader can emerge quickly. I see Damara's army as more feudal initially but with Gareth setting up a system akin to the gendarmes d'ordonnance of medieval France where troops were raised by company commanders personally loyal to the king. This creates a parallel authority structure to that of the nobility and gives the monarchy exclusive control of the realm's military.
I hope this has been helpful.
-- George Krashos |
"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus |
Edited by - George Krashos on 03 Jul 2017 15:06:55 |
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