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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
 Posted - 05 Oct 2008 : 15:09:50
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For everyone that might be interesting in 4e, but laments the current lack of Barbarians, Bards, Monks, Illusionists, Druids, Half-orcs, PC gnomes, and more Tolkien-esque halflings, the Advanced Player's Guide from Expeditious Retreat Press has come out:
http://www.xrpshop.citymax.com/catalog/item/6436256/6268163.htm
Apparently Nature Priests (Druids) are divine controllers, Spellbinders (illusionists) are arcane controllers, Troubadours (bards) are arcane leaders, Martial Artists (monks) are divine strikers, and savage warriors (barbarians) are martial defenders.
Its interesting to see a few more controllers on the scene, since wizards are pretty much it in that regard currently.
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Pandora
Learned Scribe
Germany
305 Posts |
Posted - 06 Oct 2008 : 07:09:55
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
savage warriors (barbarians) are martial defenders.
Somehow I cant imagine a barbarian as a "defender", but then I havent read this guide. |
If you cant say what youre meaning,
you can never mean what youre saying.
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GRYPHON
Senior Scribe
USA
527 Posts |
Posted - 07 Oct 2008 : 14:51:40
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| Seems a bit over priced for the amount of pages. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 07 Oct 2008 : 17:53:19
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A 'booklet' at a book price.
Still, I'm glad to see other companies are attempting to finish WotC's incomplete system.
I at first read that as Martial Artists (Monks) are Divine Stinkers.  |
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
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Jakk
Great Reader
Canada
2165 Posts |
Posted - 18 Oct 2008 : 03:57:48
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| To be honest, the whole "character role" concept turned me off to 4E faster than anything else. I'm thinking that in 5E, assuming the status quo in corporate ownership, classes will be dead; characters will be defined solely by race and role (because they'll probably ditch alignment too). |
Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.
If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic. |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
USA
3254 Posts |
Posted - 18 Oct 2008 : 06:00:24
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Originally posted by Jakk
To be honest, the whole "character role" concept turned me off to 4E faster than anything else. I'm thinking that in 5E, assuming the status quo in corporate ownership, classes will be dead; characters will be defined solely by race and role (because they'll probably ditch alignment too).
Ahh, but there won't be any differences in the races since everyone will 'complain' about how unbalanced Eladrin are vs Halflings. |
I actually DO know everything. I just have a very poor index of my knowledge.
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Alphabetized Index of Realms NPCs |
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1796 Posts |
Posted - 18 Oct 2008 : 06:05:30
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Man... 4$ Realmz and D&D are truly, completely and utterly pathetic.
I can't even stand to read these threads any longer.
Sorry... bowing out for a few days... taking a "sanity retreat" in the Paizo boards.
Sorry guys...  |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
USA
3254 Posts |
Posted - 18 Oct 2008 : 06:10:06
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As much as I love Paizo (and it's a close second behind my Realms), I would never, ever call their boards 'sane'.  |
I actually DO know everything. I just have a very poor index of my knowledge.
Ashe's Character Sheet
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36998 Posts |
Posted - 18 Oct 2008 : 06:56:12
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Originally posted by Jakk
To be honest, the whole "character role" concept turned me off to 4E faster than anything else.
That was a major thing for me, too. I decide what role I want to play, and then I pick a class to make that role work. And while some classes tend primarily towards specific roles, the right combination of class and skills (proficiencies, feats, kits, PrCs, whatever) can make just about any class work for just about any role.
I don't want my role dictated to me, and in my opinion, making role entirely dependent on class takes away possibilities. |
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Tyranthraxus
Senior Scribe
Netherlands
423 Posts |
Posted - 04 Nov 2008 : 23:57:04
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Jakk
To be honest, the whole "character role" concept turned me off to 4E faster than anything else.
That was a major thing for me, too. I decide what role I want to play, and then I pick a class to make that role work. And while some classes tend primarily towards specific roles, the right combination of class and skills (proficiencies, feats, kits, PrCs, whatever) can make just about any class work for just about any role.
I don't want my role dictated to me, and in my opinion, making role entirely dependent on class takes away possibilities.
Why need roles? Isn't every class basically the same in 4E?
I mean, I see no real difference between a fighter and wizard. |
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EytanBernstein
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
704 Posts |
Posted - 06 Nov 2008 : 16:51:19
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| Or you could by the book I (as well as Brian Cortijo, Greg Tito, and Tavis Allison) wrote for Goodman Games called Forgotten Heroes: Fang, Fist, and Song. It features the barbarian, monk, druid, and bard with a backdrop of an apocalypse. You can preview it here http://www.goodman-games.com/4400preview.html, including a preview of the druid. It's currently available in PDF on several sites and comes out in print later this month. |
http://eytanbernstein.com - the official website of Eytan Bernstein |
Edited by - EytanBernstein on 07 Nov 2008 20:06:22 |
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Brian R. James
Forgotten Realms Game Designer
USA
1098 Posts |
Posted - 06 Nov 2008 : 18:04:55
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| Eytan, you're a mad man! Were do you find the time to write all these sourcebooks! |
Brian R. James - Freelance Game Designer
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Garen Thal
Master of Realmslore
USA
1105 Posts |
Posted - 06 Nov 2008 : 18:09:03
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Originally posted by EytanBernstein
Or you could by the book I wrote for Goodman Games called Forgotten Heroes: Fang, Fist, and Song. It features the barbarian, monk, druid, and bard with a backdrop of an apocalypse. You can preview it here http://www.goodman-games.com/4400preview.html, including a preview of the druid. It's currently available in PDF on several sites and comes out in print later this month.
Ahem. Not just you, Mister Man... |
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Pandora
Learned Scribe
Germany
305 Posts |
Posted - 07 Nov 2008 : 00:27:05
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Originally posted by EytanBernstein
http://www.goodman-games.com/4400preview.html, including a preview of the druid.
Regarding the preview of the druid:
- pg. 42: You say "Choose one of the following species for your animal companion." but then fail to add the list. The "list" is given on page 43 under the "Summon Animal Companion" class feature, but that isnt really clear from the words chosen on page 42. Also keeping the list down to three choices is a bit bad, because it really puts too much emphasis on "the DM could allow other choices"; it might as well have said "any animal".
- pg. 43: Why Bloodhound wildshape? Bloodhounds are trained (= unnatural) animals. I always liked to wildshape into a Wolf, but since that is a natural animal it should have been listed instead of the Bloodhound.
- pg. 43: Does a cougar wildshape with dragonscales sound natural? Not to me.
- pg. 43: Doesnt a power of "Summon Animal Companion" sound odd? Shouldnt a druid find an animal companion in his surrounding natural area instead of "plucking it from somewhere"? Thats just like a conjurer.
- pg. 49: "the treant lasts" sounds a bit like the druid is creating it and not like he is asking nature to help him. Also: treants cover only 1 square?
- pg. 49: I never would have thought druids were masters of illusions, yet three of the level 6 daily powers are illusions. I would have thought they wouldnt bother with "fakes" and do "the real thing" (especially that wall of heat sounds odd as an illusion).
- No healing powers? No "bless the crops" powers? More or less all powers either deal damage, summon some monster or are movement powers: pretty boring, but I think thats the same for all classes now. |
If you cant say what youre meaning,
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EytanBernstein
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
704 Posts |
Posted - 07 Nov 2008 : 20:06:43
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Originally posted by Garen Thal
quote:
Originally posted by EytanBernstein
Or you could by the book I wrote for Goodman Games called Forgotten Heroes: Fang, Fist, and Song. It features the barbarian, monk, druid, and bard with a backdrop of an apocalypse. You can preview it here http://www.goodman-games.com/4400preview.html, including a preview of the druid. It's currently available in PDF on several sites and comes out in print later this month.
Ahem. Not just you, Mister Man...
Amended. |
http://eytanbernstein.com - the official website of Eytan Bernstein |
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EytanBernstein
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
704 Posts |
Posted - 07 Nov 2008 : 20:07:25
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Originally posted by Brian R. James
Eytan, you're a mad man! Were do you find the time to write all these sourcebooks!
In between my day job, 2nd masters program, and a small amount of time eating and sleeping. |
http://eytanbernstein.com - the official website of Eytan Bernstein |
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
USA
3768 Posts |
Posted - 08 Nov 2008 : 01:43:40
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Originally posted by Jakk
To be honest, the whole "character role" concept turned me off to 4E faster than anything else. I'm thinking that in 5E, assuming the status quo in corporate ownership, classes will be dead; characters will be defined solely by race and role (because they'll probably ditch alignment too).
-The d20 Modern game already did this, with, instead of true 'classes', you get 'Charismatic Heroes', 'Strong Heroes', 'Dexterous Heroes', and so on. |
(A Tri-Partite Arcanist Who Has Forgotten More Than Most Will Ever Know) |
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Advanced Player's Guide (Expeditious Retreat GSL)
