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Ardashir
Senior Scribe
USA
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 Posted - 10 Sep 2008 : 17:19:44
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Okay, so I know that Sylune is now dead dead, and that Qilue is apparently gone for good (insert a Darth Vader-ish "NOOOOOO!" here), but what about the others? Are they supposed to be just 'offstage' or were they killed (or depowered or driven mad)?
Man, the more I find out about the 4th Ed Realms, the happier I am that I'm not spending money on it.
PS -- Just where can I get information on the Sisters aside from the 2nd Edition book?
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Edited by - Ardashir on 10 Sep 2008 17:21:05
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 10 Sep 2008 : 18:19:33
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| To answer your question about where you can get information on the sisters, there is the novel Silverfall: Stories of the Seven Sisters by Ed Greenwood which contains a story for each of them. Also the novel Stormlight by Ed Greenwood, which is about Storm. There is also The Simbul's Gift by Lynn Abbey, which focuses on The Simbul (although this one is popularly an innacurate portrayal of The Simbul). |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
3054 Posts |
Posted - 10 Sep 2008 : 18:22:41
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| Oh and the Seven Sisters make numerous appearances in various other novels (The Drizzt novels feature Alustriel, many Ed Greenwood novels show Storm, I think Quilue is somewhere in the Starlight and Shadows novels, and other novels that escape my mind at the moment). |
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khorne
Master of Realmslore
Finland
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Posted - 10 Sep 2008 : 19:28:26
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| Alustriel is also done in apparently, but as far as I know the Simbul has survived. |
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Jakk
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 10 Sep 2008 : 20:01:09
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| Sylune is dead-dead, Alustriel is dead, Laeral is dead, the Simbul is living in Shadowdale, Storm is *not* living in Shadowdale (whether she's alive or dead, I don't know), Dove is not mentioned at all in the 4E Realms book, nor is Qilue. And before you ask, no, I did not pay money for that heretical waste of paper. I wouldn't want to physically touch anything like that without surgical gloves. I'm working on an alternate timeline, but I'd like to know more about the war between Cormyr and Sembia, if anybody knows anything. |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
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Posted - 10 Sep 2008 : 20:07:12
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| Qilue died in the Lady Penitent books. As for the Sembia/Cormyr war, it's an extension of the dislike between Shade and Cormyr. Shade has taken over Sembia (detailed in Paul Kemp's novels) and basically has Cormyr trapped in a two front war between the Sembian states and their lands in Anauroch. |
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Fillow
Master of Realmslore
France
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Stout Heart
Learned Scribe
USA
118 Posts |
Posted - 10 Sep 2008 : 20:15:57
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 10 Sep 2008 : 20:17:42
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Originally posted by Stout Heart
I'm dieing to know what becomes of Laeral and Khelbens twins.
Part of what happens to one of them is told in Steven Schend's new novel, Blackstaff Tower. |
I actually DO know everything. I just have a very poor index of my knowledge.
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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author
USA
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Posted - 10 Sep 2008 : 22:34:36
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Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
quote:
Originally posted by Stout Heart
I'm dieing to know what becomes of Laeral and Khelbens twins.
Part of what happens to one of them is told in Steven Schend's new novel, Blackstaff Tower.
And what happens to the other is, alas, still under NDA, I'm afraid.
Steven
who knows what's in his notes about her but can't share it.... |
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Jakk
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 11 Sep 2008 : 00:05:58
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Okay, so, to summarize:
Alustriel: dead
Laeral: dead
Sylune: dead
Qilue: dead
The Simbul: living in Shadowdale
Storm: seriously injured by Shadow Weave in Shadowdale in 1374; nothing more recent known to me
Dove: see Laeral |
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Jakk
Great Reader
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Posted - 11 Sep 2008 : 00:08:04
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Oops... that should be:
Dove: See Storm
My bad.  |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 11 Sep 2008 : 00:37:47
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Originally posted by Jakk
Okay, so, to summarize:
Alustriel: dead
Laeral: dead
Sylune: dead
Qilue: dead
The Simbul: living in Shadowdale
Storm: seriously injured by Shadow Weave in Shadowdale in 1374; nothing more recent known to me
Dove: see Laeral
As I recall, Ed said back in August that the fates of Dove and Storm were unknown [though we do know either Dove or Storm are definitely NOT dead in the post-Spellplague Realms].
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Arion Elenim
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 11 Sep 2008 : 00:49:20
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Wow.
The body count rises.
Were they just...dare I say it..."unpopular" characters? Did they not sell well or something?
I mean...I can think of MANY other characters I would have preferred seeing having their faces melted off than Alustriel... |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
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sfdragon
Great Reader
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Posted - 11 Sep 2008 : 06:41:16
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Originally posted by Arion Elenim
Wow.
The body count rises.
Were they just...dare I say it..."unpopular" characters? Did they not sell well or something?
I mean...I can think of MANY other characters I would have preferred seeing having their faces melted off than Alustriel...
nah wotc were just trying to get the eberreon fans( aka ebergeeks) ans WoW players to the realms.
their biggest complaints were
too many gods
chosen were to powerful and well few other things.....
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 11 Sep 2008 : 13:18:57
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Originally posted by Arion Elenim
Wow.
The body count rises.
Were they just...dare I say it..."unpopular" characters? Did they not sell well or something?
I mean...I can think of MANY other characters I would have preferred seeing having their faces melted off than Alustriel...
Well for right or wrong, a vocal few said they were too popular. |
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Stout Heart
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 11 Sep 2008 : 15:02:12
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
quote:
Originally posted by Arion Elenim
Wow.
The body count rises.
Were they just...dare I say it..."unpopular" characters? Did they not sell well or something?
I mean...I can think of MANY other characters I would have preferred seeing having their faces melted off than Alustriel...
Well for right or wrong, a vocal few said they were too popular.
The more we talk about 4e the more and more disgusted I become. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 11 Sep 2008 : 15:37:14
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Originally posted by Arion Elenim
Wow.
The body count rises.
Were they just...dare I say it..."unpopular" characters? Did they not sell well or something?
I mean...I can think of MANY other characters I would have preferred seeing having their faces melted off than Alustriel...
To be fair, Alustriel did just "pass away", which implies a more peaceful death than that.
Still, I agree with the spirit of your post. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 11 Sep 2008 : 15:39:12
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Questions for all, because I don't have the FRCG:
Where is it stated that Laerel is dead?
Where is it stated that Storm was injured by the Shadow Weave?
Where is it stated that Storm and Dove are definitely not dead in the Post-Spellplague Realms?
I'm only asking these questions because I want to be "up" on things. Thanks in advance. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 11 Sep 2008 : 17:02:22
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Where is it stated that Storm and Dove are definitely not dead in the Post-Spellplague Realms?
If you'll recall my earlier post, I noted that this was something Ed said in his scroll back in August. |
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sfdragon
Great Reader
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Posted - 11 Sep 2008 : 17:53:10
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Questions for all, because I don't have the FRCG:
Where is it stated that Laerel is dead?
Where is it stated that Storm was injured by the Shadow Weave?
Where is it stated that Storm and Dove are definitely not dead in the Post-Spellplague Realms?
I'm only asking these questions because I want to be "up" on things. Thanks in advance.
1: cant offhand look at the moment off to class soon
2: that was in the shadow dale book
3: in the ask mr greenwood thread |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
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Posted - 11 Sep 2008 : 18:27:55
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Originally posted by Arion Elenim
I mean...I can think of MANY other characters I would have preferred seeing having their faces melted off than Alustriel...
Ok, first--eww. That's an image that'll keep me up--and maybe end up in a piece of writing down the road.
Second, as far as we know, Alustriel retired and came to a peaceful end, for all we know in bed surrounded by her many children and (probably) grandchildren. Sometimes that happens in the Realms, and I don't see why characters shouldn't be allowed to retire and die peacefully.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but near as I understand it, Qilue fell in an ultimate battle for her deity, and Sylune perished heroically averting some great disaster? Hardly cheap or ignominious ends.
I think that it's better, in a narrative, for heroes to die heroically than to live on, lose popularity, and fizzle out.
Now whether this is how the lore treats these characters is another question. But I don't object to them being dead simply because they are *dead*--it's about the *how* and *why*, not the fact of it.
I'd be curious to know about Laeral, whose fate we haven't seen (or at least I haven't). Maybe Ed or Steve will tell us in a later tale. (hint hint!)
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'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 11 Sep 2008 : 18:36:20
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| Sage and sfdragon: Thanks for your answers. Like Erik I'm still curious about Laeral. |
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sfdragon
Great Reader
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Posted - 11 Sep 2008 : 22:34:29
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| as for laeral, I would surmise that she died of old age with in the city of hope..... |
why is being a wizard like being a drow? both are likely to find a dagger in the back from a rival or one looking to further his own goals, fame and power
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phal
Acolyte
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Posted - 12 Sep 2008 : 10:07:07
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A hero that sacrifices themselves for a reason or purpose, I can enjoy.
A hero that lives happily ever after and dies peacefully in their sleep, I can also enjoy.
A hero that dies senselessly because they've become inconvenient . . . . . really ticks me off. |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
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Posted - 12 Sep 2008 : 14:28:19
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| What disaster did Sylune avert and just how did she die? |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 12 Sep 2008 : 14:54:33
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Originally posted by phal
A hero that dies senselessly because they've become inconvenient . . . . . really ticks me off.
That's really what bothers me about many of these deaths. It's obvious that several of the sisters died because WotC didn't want them around anymore, even if on the surface the deaths were made out to be "meaningful". |
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Neil
Learned Scribe
Canada
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Posted - 12 Sep 2008 : 15:54:09
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but near as I understand it, Qilue fell in an ultimate battle for her deity, and Sylune perished heroically averting some great disaster? Hardly cheap or ignominious ends.
Absolutely agree. In fact, Syluné died well twice. A good NPC, if they have to die, should die for something worthwhile, not just to show how dangerous a new villain is. Of course, killing major NPCs is something that shouldn't happen every day, or else it doesn't mean anything. |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
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Posted - 15 Sep 2008 : 22:08:05
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| Hmmm, I'm trying to recall.... did Quilue die at the end of the Lady Penitent books? I thought it was the other priestess. |
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What's happened to the Seven Sisters in Realms 4?
