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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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 Posted - 15 Sep 2008 : 23:39:58
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Originally posted by sleyvas
Hmmm, I'm trying to recall.... did Quilue die at the end of the Lady Penitent books? I thought it was the other priestess.
(highlight for spoiler)A lot of people die in that book--Qilue was indeed one of them. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
--Richard Greene (letter to Time) |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 16 Sep 2008 : 01:54:01
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OK, I fixed my post. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
--Richard Greene (letter to Time) |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
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Posted - 22 Sep 2008 : 17:55:46
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Do we know in which years each sister died in?
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A little nonsense now and then, relished by the wisest men - Willy Wonka
"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -
John F. Kennedy, speech in Dublin, Ireland, June 28, 1963
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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ravennight
Acolyte
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Posted - 29 Dec 2008 : 08:40:23
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So...Here's something that kills me about continuity...
I don't mind that they've killed off a good number of characters we all cared about, especially when like Alusair Obarskyr, we just really started to get a taste of her adventures...But as for the Seven Sisters...
If Elminster is noted for still possessing his immortality, and the Simbul is hiding away in Shadowdale, presumably with him, than how does Alustriel just pass away? Same goes for Laeral, if that is the story? |
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sfdragon
Great Reader
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Posted - 29 Dec 2008 : 09:25:38
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| sylune actually only died once, she was put to back to rest in the shadowdale adventure book |
why is being a wizard like being a drow? both are likely to find a dagger in the back from a rival or one looking to further his own goals, fame and power
My FR fan fiction
Magister's GAmbit
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 29 Dec 2008 : 13:49:32
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Originally posted by ravennight
So...Here's something that kills me about continuity...
I don't mind that they've killed off a good number of characters we all cared about, especially when like Alusair Obarskyr, we just really started to get a taste of her adventures...But as for the Seven Sisters...
If Elminster is noted for still possessing his immortality, and the Simbul is hiding away in Shadowdale, presumably with him, than how does Alustriel just pass away? Same goes for Laeral, if that is the story?
I agree. There is no consistency with the Chosen deaths. |
I actually DO know everything. I just have a very poor index of my knowledge.
Ashe's Character Sheet
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Gang Falconhand
Seeker
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Posted - 29 Dec 2008 : 14:22:16
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Originally posted by ravennight
If Elminster is noted for still possessing his immortality, and the Simbul is hiding away in Shadowdale, presumably with him, than how does Alustriel just pass away? Same goes for Laeral, if that is the story?
I understand how you feel and I hate the whole timejump to 4E, but I can buy how some of the Chosen might live longer than others.
Alustriel was the oldest of the Seven Sisters (after Sylune) and the strain of ruling a nation can be quite telling.
Laeral had a lot to deal with during and following the events of 'Blackstaff.'
Elminster was always Mystra's favourite and the one tied closest to her divine power so it stands to reason that he would live longest.
As for The Simbul, well, I just can't imagine she'd let anything kill her, even time.
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 29 Dec 2008 : 19:38:12
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Originally posted by ravennight
So...Here's something that kills me about continuity...
I don't mind that they've killed off a good number of characters we all cared about, especially when like Alusair Obarskyr, we just really started to get a taste of her adventures...But as for the Seven Sisters...
If Elminster is noted for still possessing his immortality, and the Simbul is hiding away in Shadowdale, presumably with him, than how does Alustriel just pass away? Same goes for Laeral, if that is the story?
Okay, not that I'm a big fan of 4eFR <Gasp!>, but this one is pretty easily fixable, given the randomness of the Spellplague.
As the Cerulean Storm washed across the land, it touched... and changed... many things. When it passed over a user of Weave magic, the roiling chaos of Raw magic drove many insane. The more power a mage held, the worse the effects were upon him (or her).
The Spellplague hit Chosen the hardest. When faced with the coming doom, many - like Alustriel - chose to divest herself of the 'inner spark' (Silver Fire) that connected them to the Weave, while others chose to 'stand and fight'. Either way was bitter choice - those that gave-up Mystra's blessing were spared the worst of it, but gave up immortality as well.
For those that chose to "rage against the Night", some made it through the Storm, worse for the wear... Elminster was one such.
The Simbul was not so lucky...  |
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
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Ghost King
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 30 Dec 2008 : 01:36:08
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Originally posted by Markustay
quote:
Originally posted by ravennight
So...Here's something that kills me about continuity...
I don't mind that they've killed off a good number of characters we all cared about, especially when like Alusair Obarskyr, we just really started to get a taste of her adventures...But as for the Seven Sisters...
If Elminster is noted for still possessing his immortality, and the Simbul is hiding away in Shadowdale, presumably with him, than how does Alustriel just pass away? Same goes for Laeral, if that is the story?
Okay, not that I'm a big fan of 4eFR <Gasp!>, but this one is pretty easily fixable, given the randomness of the Spellplague.
As the Cerulean Storm washed across the land, it touched... and changed... many things. When it passed over a user of Weave magic, the roiling chaos of Raw magic drove many insane. The more power a mage held, the worse the effects were upon him (or her).
The Spellplague hit Chosen the hardest. When faced with the coming doom, many - like Alustriel - chose to divest herself of the 'inner spark' (Silver Fire) that connected them to the Weave, while others chose to 'stand and fight'. Either way was bitter choice - those that gave-up Mystra's blessing were spared the worst of it, but gave up immortality as well.
For those that chose to "rage against the Night", some made it through the Storm, worse for the wear... Elminster was one such.
The Simbul was not so lucky...
The only thing I'm confused about is how regular mages can use silver fire in Aglorand considering I thought it was a Chosen of Mystra exclusive power, but that is off-topic somewhat.
Yeah I think they went over board just a tad on the killing off the Chosen. A few would have been fine, like finally putting Sylune to rest instead of being a ghost and Khelben fulfilling the prophecy. I actually liked Storm so I'm wondering what has become of her. Elminster surviving I expected considering in 2nd edition it said "He cannot die" to summarize. Plus he is the primary story teller/sage in the Realms so killing him is effectively killing the Realms.
But why they went all serial killer on the Sisters I haven't the slightest idea. As for The Simbul, what I've read about her before 4th, she was already a "bit-out-there" from the descriptions of her I have read. So I guess she is just full-blown crazy now...?
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 30 Dec 2008 : 18:33:29
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Originally posted by Gang Falconhand
I understand how you feel and I hate the whole timejump to 4E, but I can buy how some of the Chosen might live longer than others.
Alustriel was the oldest of the Seven Sisters (after Sylune) and the strain of ruling a nation can be quite telling.
The Simbul ruled a nation, too. As for age, the sisters were born one per year over seven years. That's really not a great age difference, IMO, and it seems like a moot point anyway when dealing with people who are all over 600 years old.
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Laeral had a lot to deal with during and following the events of 'Blackstaff.'
Right, but the others have always had "a lot to deal with" as well. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
--Richard Greene (letter to Time) |
Edited by - Rinonalyrna Fathomlin on 30 Dec 2008 18:36:02 |
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Gang Falconhand
Seeker
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Posted - 30 Dec 2008 : 22:50:15
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by Gang Falconhand
I understand how you feel and I hate the whole timejump to 4E, but I can buy how some of the Chosen might live longer than others.
Alustriel was the oldest of the Seven Sisters (after Sylune) and the strain of ruling a nation can be quite telling.
The Simbul ruled a nation, too. As for age, the sisters were born one per year over seven years. That's really not a great age difference, IMO, and it seems like a moot point anyway when dealing with people who are all over 600 years old.
Hehe, I was hoping nobody was going to mention the very slight age-gap between them.
As for The Simbul ruling a nation as well as Alustriel, I'd think that The Simbul had a lot more 'fire' in her to keep her alive - her hatred of Thay, her love for Elminster etc.
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Laeral had a lot to deal with during and following the events of 'Blackstaff.'
Right, but the others have always had "a lot to deal with" as well.
I meant more the emotional fallout of the events of that book, specific to her and the love of her life.
I was just trying to explain how I could understand the situation with some of the Seven dying, and The Simbul surviving. I'm not saying this is what I believe or that I'm happy with it, but I can see how the circumstance could come about. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 31 Dec 2008 : 02:40:21
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Originally posted by Gang Falconhand
I was just trying to explain how I could understand the situation with some of the Seven dying, and The Simbul surviving. I'm not saying this is what I believe or that I'm happy with it, but I can see how the circumstance could come about.
I understand. What you mentioned is possible, but I guess I just don't find it satisfying. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
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Gang Falconhand
Seeker
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Posted - 31 Dec 2008 : 08:29:01
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| Maybe at the moment of her (silly) death Mystra gave more of her power to the two Chosen most able to hold it and live... Maybe that power didn't have the desired effect, which is why Elminster and The Simbul aren't quite their old selves... |
"If you have a quality let it define you." |
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phal
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Posted - 03 Jan 2009 : 07:13:28
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Originally posted by Gang Falconhand
Maybe at the moment of her (silly) death Mystra gave more of her power to the two Chosen most able to hold it and live... Maybe that power didn't have the desired effect, which is why Elminster and The Simbul aren't quite their old selves...
Wouldn't be the first time.
Whatever happened, it would be nice to know the story. But I suppose that's part of the master plan, to keep us hungry for more of what happened in the past 100 years.
I'm not sure I like being hung out to dry like this. I don't mind a cliffhanger between books of a series like Wheel of Time. But handing out tidbits of realm information piece by piece to maximize profit potential? Ug, like we didn't have enough NDA to frustrate us before. Now we don't even have enough puzzle pieces to fill in the edges. |
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Christopher_Rowe
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 03 Jan 2009 : 13:54:24
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As far as I know, this is still accurate.
Alustriel: is mentioned in those places cited below. She is known to have died before 1479 DR while holding the office of High Lady of Silverymoon.
Dove Falconhand: has not yet been mentioned in the fourth edition lore and her fate is unknown (but see note, below).
Laeral: is mentioned in those places cited below. Based on the evidence of passages at page 236 in BT, she is believed to have died, perhaps after 1391 DR as that is the date given for her memoir, Lifelong with Regrets. However, the dating remains uncertain as it is unclear whether 1391 is the year of composition or the year of publication of that work.
The Simbul: is mentioned in those places cited below. She is known to be alive, but living in hiding somewhere in the Dalelands, fostering the widespread belief that she is dead.
Storm Silverhand: is mentioned in those places cited below. Her fate is unknown (but see note below).
Syluné: is mentioned in those places cited below. She is known to be dead, as revealed in the lore of previous editions.
Qilué: has not yet been mentioned in the fourth edition lore, but is known to be dead, as revealed in the lore of a previous edition.
Note: Though the fates of neither Storm Silverhand nor Dove Falconhand are known, on 23rd August, 2008, Ed Greenwood, speaking through an associate on this web page, wrote that "...the fates of the Seven are revealed in the FRCS or in Realms novels, or will be revealed in the fullness of time. One of [Dove or Storm] is definitely NOT dead in the Year of the Ageless One."
Index
Alustriel
FRCG: 146
FRPG: 108, 109
Dove Falconhand
no references
Laeral
FRCG: 36
BT: 14, 50, 232, 234, 236
Seven Sisters, the (as group)
BT: 14
D367: 5
Simbul, the
FRCG: 88
FRPG: 62, 76-77, 146
Storm Silverhand
FRCG: 108, 113
D367: 7
Syluné
FRCG: 45
Qilué
no references
Works Cited
BT: Blackstaff Tower, a novel by Steven E. Schend, 2008.
D367: "Epic Faerūn" by Richard Baker. Dragon 367 (September 2008): 5-10.
FRCG: Forgotten Realms Campaign Guide by Bruce R. Cordell, Ed Greenwood, and Chris Sims, 2008.
FRPG: Forgotten Realms Player's Guide by Rob Heinsoo, Logan Bonner, and Robert J. Schwalb, 2008. |
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sneakypetev
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 05 Jan 2009 : 19:33:02
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Originally posted by ravennight
So...Here's something that kills me about continuity...
I don't mind that they've killed off a good number of characters we all cared about, especially when like Alusair Obarskyr, we just really started to get a taste of her adventures...But as for the Seven Sisters...
If Elminster is noted for still possessing his immortality, and the Simbul is hiding away in Shadowdale, presumably with him, than how does Alustriel just pass away? Same goes for Laeral, if that is the story?
I know I am bit off topic but how did Alusair Obarskyr die ? |
"Go for the eyes boo,go for the eyes!"- Minsc |
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
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Posted - 05 Jan 2009 : 19:41:38
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Sigh. I'm afraid the answers both ravennight AND sneakypetev are seeking are NDA for the moment, though I know (from private discussions with Ed) that definitive answers to both questions exist.
Please take heart from my use of "for the moment." It means that, if things go as currently planned (and yes, I know that matters have a way of morphing wildly in recent years), we will all learn those answers, officially and eventually.
Keep this in mind, and take what comfort from it you can:
Not all of the tales of the Seven - - nor of the Princess Alusair - - have yet been told.
(So saith Ed.)
love to all,
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sneakypetev
Acolyte
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Posted - 05 Jan 2009 : 20:22:28
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Originally posted by sneakypetev
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Originally posted by The Hooded One
Sigh. I'm afraid the answers both ravennight AND sneakypetev are seeking are NDA for the moment, though I know (from private discussions with Ed) that definitive answers to both questions exist.
Please take heart from my use of "for the moment." It means that, if things go as currently planned (and yes, I know that matters have a way of morphing wildly in recent years), we will all learn those answers, officially and eventually.
Keep this in mind, and take what comfort from it you can:
Not all of the tales of the Seven - - nor of the Princess Alusair - - have yet been told.
Thanks for the reply.
(So saith Ed.)
love to all,
THO
Sorry for the mistake, I am new to posting. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 07 Jan 2009 : 01:37:36
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Originally posted by The Hooded One
Not all of the tales of the Seven - - nor of the Princess Alusair - - have yet been told.
Especially since they are all still alive in my Realms. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
--Richard Greene (letter to Time) |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
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Posted - 11 Jan 2009 : 08:17:45
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-In my Realms they will be Cyric's Pleasure Harem.  
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"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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Ashe Ravenheart
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What's happened to the Seven Sisters in Realms 4?
