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Christopher_Rowe
Forgotten Realms Author
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 Posted - 02 Sep 2008 : 14:02:45
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Here's the link.
This appears to be the table that will accompany the Feats chapter. Note the inclusion of feats like "Ghostwise Heritage," "Gold Dwarf Pride," and others mentioning Moon, Sun, and Wild Elves.
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scererar
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 02 Sep 2008 : 14:09:21
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Originally posted by Christopher_Rowe
Here's the link.
This appears to be the table that will accompany the Feats chapter. Note the inclusion of feats like "Ghostwise Heritage," "Gold Dwarf Pride," and others mentioning Moon, Sun, and Wild Elves.
Well,for the heroic tier anyways. It will be interesting to see the lists in their entirety, once the sourcebook is published later this month.
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Christopher_Rowe
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 02 Sep 2008 : 14:16:09
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Originally posted by scererar
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Well,for the heroic tier anyways. It will be interesting to see the lists in their entirety, once the sourcebook is published later this month.
Eighteen days! For both the FRPG and the Adventurer's Vault, both of which I can hardly wait for. I hope Amazon delivers my pre-order on the laydown date--I didn't get my campaign book until a day after they were in stores. |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 02 Sep 2008 : 16:00:43
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So subraces are reduced to feats? Guess I should have saw that coming with 3.5's Draconic/Fey/Demonic Heritage feats...
Ah well, still not that interested. |
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Pandora
Learned Scribe
Germany
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Posted - 02 Sep 2008 : 16:12:04
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| The pretty short descriptions give me the impression that many of these feats are useable in certain situations only. Some even require "enemy input to activate". I always thought this kind of concept is a bit bad, because it pushes you into a predetermined behaviour when fighting your opponents just to make use of a feat. If you didnt do that it would be a wasted feat and thus wasted potential power. I have no idea if all the feats are like this, but from a "power perspective" these might be a little weak. On the other hand FR-feats never were that powerful (with the exception of the level-1-feat Luck of Heroes perhaps), so the style fits there. |
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Christopher_Rowe
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
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Posted - 02 Sep 2008 : 16:17:05
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Well, feats are one of the 4E "crunch" mechanisms for racial stuff--probably the main one, along with ability score mods. To clarify, I'm talking just about from a gaming point of view.
I never played 3E and only dimly remember 2E's FR subrace stuff (which I'm thinking might have been set up similarly to the "character kits" of the old leatherette books, though now that I type that out it sounds a little Basic-ey to be right). How was the "crunch" for different subraces handled until recently?
Oh, and if you're talking about flavor and societal stuff, I think it's still "we don't know." I note that the moon and sun "elf" feats are listed as being for Eladrin, and the Wild and Wood Elf feats are for elves (that acrobatic bonus for Wood Elves is pretty insane, by the way).
Other than that, the only thing so far is what's listed under item number nine, "Ancient elven lineages..." in the "Ten Important Facts" of the FRCG Introduction:
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With the reappearance of the Feywild, its natives have begun exploring the world again. These fey folk collectively call themselves eladrin, and many Faerūnian elves have also adopted this name for their lineage, though they have not forgotten their traditional cultural distinctions and names.
The bold emphasis is mine, there.
(edited to fix a typo in the quote) |
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Edited by - Christopher_Rowe on 02 Sep 2008 16:45:23 |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 02 Sep 2008 : 16:30:20
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In 3E, subraces were actual races. They shared many of the same racial abilities, even ability mods, but something was 'tweaked' for the subrace. One subrace might be stronger, but less intelligent. Others may not have certain immunities, but other abilities.
And your bolded emphasis could be seen as the developers throwing a bone to us 'old dogs' to keep us happy for lore reasons.
(sigh) I'm starting to sound bitter again. Need to take a break and enjoy the sunshine. |
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Skeptic
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1273 Posts |
Posted - 02 Sep 2008 : 17:13:33
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Originally posted by Pandora
I have no idea if all the feats are like this, but from a "power perspective" these might be a little weak. On the other hand FR-feats never were that powerful (with the exception of the level-1-feat Luck of Heroes perhaps), so the style fits there.
Did you forgot the FRCS Spell Prodigy? 3.0 version of Shadow Adept / Red Wizard ? Hate domain ? etc.
Go to ENWorld 3.x forums or Wizards C.O. boards and you'll see that "FR books" is another expresion for "broken" there. |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 03 Sep 2008 : 01:16:35
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| Ah good. Reference to the subraces. I'm hoping we get something either here or down the line with accurate reference (at least in name) to the human subraces for 4E (something I LOVED about Races of Faerūn. |
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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Posted - 04 Sep 2008 : 05:59:03
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Isn't this adding insult to injury?
1. There are no more sun elves or moon elves: these guys are eladrin now; THEN
2. Oh, yeah, btw, buy that book too; with that fantastic tome, your eladrin can now have a power called Sun Elf Something, just so we can prove to y'all that we can retcon a retcon and still get away with it, hence proving the existence of your collective stupidity.
Wow... I'm starting to feel like WotC is staffed by a Republican majority... (hey, teenage preggos used to be cast to the lepper colony... now, they're cool, as long as their parents are rich and able, and as long as that oven bun don't use any taxpayers' money...)
Let's all start singing brothers!
Retcon! Retcon! Retcon!
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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StarBog
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
152 Posts |
Posted - 04 Sep 2008 : 13:30:01
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So...what is Kelemvor's Judgement then? Anything like the Raven Queen's Blessing?
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Christopher_Rowe
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 04 Sep 2008 : 15:22:47
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Originally posted by StarBog
So...what is Kelemvor's Judgement then? Anything like the Raven Queen's Blessing?
Hard to say, until the 18th anyway! |
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Christopher_Rowe
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
879 Posts |
Posted - 04 Sep 2008 : 15:28:33
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Originally posted by Purple Dragon Knight
Isn't this adding insult to injury?]
Speaking of insults...
Hey PDK, maybe get a grip and work on finding ways to formulate your displeasure that aren't insulting to lots of folks. Okay?
But, to address just one thing; I'm continually mystified by the "they want our money" tone to some of these arguments. 'Cause on the one hand, a vocal component of posters seems upset that they're "expected" to buy all these books to get more details. On the other hand, the same people are often complaining that there are "only" three FR print products currently scheduled.
What's the deal there? Did the 3E FR Campaign Guide magically contain all FR knowledge, and if so, what was up with the twelvety-five supplements I see at Half-Price? |
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StarBog
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 04 Sep 2008 : 17:06:35
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Originally posted by Christopher_Rowe
What's the deal there? Did the 3E FR Campaign Guide magically contain all FR knowledge
Yes it did.
What, you didn't get the special edition with the free 2 weeks unlimited access to Ed Greenwood's brain?
My own reason for asking specifically what is in the FRPG is utterly selfish: I have a Living Forgotten Realms Character who is a Cleric of Kelemvor, and who will in all likelyhood have the feat (she has the Raven Queen's Blessing at the moment). |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 04 Sep 2008 : 19:54:24
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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Posted - 05 Sep 2008 : 00:27:11
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Originally posted by Christopher_Rowe
quote:
Originally posted by Purple Dragon Knight
Isn't this adding insult to injury?]
Speaking of insults...
Hey PDK, maybe get a grip and work on finding ways to formulate your displeasure that aren't insulting to lots of folks. Okay?
So, my reference to Republicans and their handling of teenage pregnancies hurt you? I gather you are a Republican then, since there's no way in heck you could be a teenage mother and agree with their handling of teenage mothers... |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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