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Kuje
Great Reader
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 Posted - 30 Aug 2008 : 16:49:14
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Preface this with apologizing to the mods since the other thread got closed but I thought that some people might want to know that WOTC responded.
Earlier, he wrote some remarks about D&D players and it seems WOTC has responded here:
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/4news/20080828
Now that said, I, like I did earlier, am not going to comment on what he said. And if Alaundo, Wooly, or Sage wish to close this thread, thats fine. I just, as I said in my first line of text, thought some people might want to know that WOTC did answer his remarks.
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For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
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scererar
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 30 Aug 2008 : 16:56:22
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| I read this last night. Nice letter, but I can see the thread getting out of hand, like the last one did. |
Edited by - scererar on 30 Aug 2008 16:58:04 |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Kiaransalyn
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 30 Aug 2008 : 17:54:17
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| Brief but to the point. I think it's a good letter. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 30 Aug 2008 : 19:33:06
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Never Mind....
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"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
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Fillow
Master of Realmslore
France
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 30 Aug 2008 : 21:08:56
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Originally posted by Kiaransalyn
Brief but to the point. I think it's a good letter.
I considered it too brief.
Fillow
The link
The letter
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"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 30 Aug 2008 : 22:26:09
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What Kentinal posted to you wasn't what you were asking for but you can find the original letter in this thread:
http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11439
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Originally posted by Fillow
Euh... Where could I read the original letter from M Goldfarb please ?
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For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
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Jamallo Kreen
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 31 Aug 2008 : 07:06:30
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I was deeply touched by the comment that Hasbro sends D&D "care packages" {sic} to US soldiers. It reminds me that most of the American men who have died from lung cancer in the last fifty years and weren't coal miners received "care packages"{sic} of cigarettes from American tobacco companies when they serving in the World Wars, in Korea, and in Vietnam.
"C.A.R.E.," by the way, stands for "Cooperative for Assistance and Relief Everywhere" and "CARE Package®" is a registered trademark of theirs; I have just told them that Hasbro has co-opted their name in order to promote a commercial venture and to engage in some partisan politics; I mean, if Greg Leeds is going to bandy words like "ignorance" when discussing the critics of Hasbro, it is only fair that one use his letter to combat his own and Wayne Charness's ignorance of what exactly a "CARE Package®" is really. If CARE does something to smack down Hasbro, I genuinely hope it will be because I have told them about the "Letter to Mr. Goldfarb."
(Apropos of servicemebers who play D&D, every single one with a "secret" security clearance whom I have known was a D&D player, including a Marine who was an official videographer for the Corps during the US-Panama War and a SEAL who missed a gaming convention just before Oil War I ... during the same week when some Iraqi installations mysteriously got blowed up reeal good; he wanted to join the Secret Service; for all I know he's guarding Big Bird ... er ... Eagle right now....)
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Fillow
Master of Realmslore
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Christopher_Rowe
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
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Posted - 31 Aug 2008 : 12:52:03
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Originally posted by Jamallo Kreen
If CARE does something to smack down Hasbro, I genuinely hope it will be because I have told them about the "Letter to Mr. Goldfarb."
What the heck?
Hey Jamallo, my 90 year-old grandmother and her homemakers club (the Sano Route Stars) are all the time making up what they call care packages and sending them overseas (usually baked goods and batteries, not so much cigarettes and RPG materials, but they call 'em that nonetheless). They even write up when they're doing it and solicit donations in the "Homemaker's Corner" of my hometown newspaper.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 31 Aug 2008 : 15:25:11
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Originally posted by Jamallo Kreen
I was deeply touched by the comment that Hasbro sends D&D "care packages" {sic} to US soldiers. It reminds me that most of the American men who have died from lung cancer in the last fifty years and weren't coal miners received "care packages"{sic} of cigarettes from American tobacco companies when they serving in the World Wars, in Korea, and in Vietnam.
"C.A.R.E.," by the way, stands for "Cooperative for Assistance and Relief Everywhere" and "CARE Package®" is a registered trademark of theirs; I have just told them that Hasbro has co-opted their name in order to promote a commercial venture and to engage in some partisan politics; I mean, if Greg Leeds is going to bandy words like "ignorance" when discussing the critics of Hasbro, it is only fair that one use his letter to combat his own and Wayne Charness's ignorance of what exactly a "CARE Package®" is really. If CARE does something to smack down Hasbro, I genuinely hope it will be because I have told them about the "Letter to Mr. Goldfarb."
I don't think there's a case that can be made for calling something a "care package" because someone has taken the word CARE as an official name. In fact, just looking at the acronym, I'm inclined to think that the phrase "care package" predates the acronym -- I think they selected that name just to put the organization name in their end "product".
Not only that, but the common conception of a care package is something sent to someone to show that you care. If CARE goes after Hasbro, then they also have to go after every mother who has sent cookies to her college kids, or every woman who has sent magazines and pictures to her soldier, or even people who want their loved ones behind bars to have an occasional bit of home.
CARE co-opted the name "care package". No one else did.
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 31 Aug 2008 : 19:11:54
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CARE was established 1946 and it is quite posible that they did trademark Care pakage, it is very posible that gift package, aid package, relief package etc. wre terms used by the American Red Cross and other relief organizations.
OTOH for CARE to even consider suing about somebody else using the term odds are they would lose. They clearly have not deffended the trademark for years. |
"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
"Judgement" copyright 2003 by Elizabeth Moon |
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Jamallo Kreen
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 02 Sep 2008 : 04:00:36
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The first CARE Packages® (note that magic ®) were sent out in 1947, disposing of US military surplus supplies.
I don't think Granny Faye needs to worry about being sued by CARE, but Hasbro has used the name for commercial purposes, in the context of a partisan political message, and have chosen to widely publicize their usage. Anyone who thinks that Hasbro, Inc. doesn't have lawyers enough to tell them what ® means is cordially invited to publish something -- anything -- and call it "Dungeons & Dragons" without paying a big, fat licensing fee to Hasbro, Inc. Considering how many real CARE Packages® have been sent to Africa, I think that the real CARE would be more than a little irked by Hasbro, Inc appropriate their trademark in the same month that they publish for us a Chult of "savages" and "cannibals."
I say no more on this. No. More. "Prison Break" is coming on Fox.
Make that, "Fox®".
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 02 Sep 2008 : 05:56:56
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| Hasbro didn't call them "CARE Packages". They called them "care packages", a term which has passed into common usage. |
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Letter to Mr. Goldfarb from WOTC
