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Bookwyrm
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 Posted - 13 Jul 2003 : 20:21:46
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Let us know about it, Sage. I'd like to know how it works in introduction to people who haven't used it before.
And Arazn, what was the cursed ring? And how long until that character got a finger regrown? |
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AraznBlair
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 13 Jul 2003 : 23:38:38
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| Bookwyrm, I haven't played him since so the finger is still missing. He now owns a tavern in Waterdeep near the Dock Ward called SpellSword Tavern. As for the curse ring, my DM said that is was an Elven Family ring belonging to the Starym Family of Myth Drannor before the fall. He made my background as a distant relative to that family and since I was a Half Elf the ring could not be removed. A Dragon in the mountains near Tilverton wanted the ring and gave me a choice. Either become full human/elf, die or lose the finger. I chose the finger. The campaign ended do to me moving away. What a same that was. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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branmakmuffin
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 14 Jul 2003 : 03:51:00
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AraznBlair:
Your critical hit chart is a little grim. But maybe your players like that sort of thing. Of course, effects like "Lose 1d3 points of Charisma" have no meaning for NPCs and monsters. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 14 Jul 2003 : 09:14:26
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But wouldn't that really be the DM's decision. I am sure an alterate chart could be drawn up to inflict the similar type wounds to all DM NPC's. You could probably determine a way to find wound penalties for NPC in your game, therefore not allowing them an unfair advantage.
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
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Posted - 14 Jul 2003 : 10:01:51
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| The Charisma is fine unless it impacts a spellcasting ability. I mean, why would having your face disfigured affect how you "feel" the magic? |
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The Sage
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
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Posted - 14 Jul 2003 : 11:49:02
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| So would it be a Charisma penalty for everything but magic? |
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The Sage
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Posted - 14 Jul 2003 : 13:10:52
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Without actually running this system yet, I can say, that yes, it would be a charima penalty excluding magic. Although after play-testing...who knows?.
I guess I'll just have to find out.
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AraznBlair
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 14 Jul 2003 : 15:44:40
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Actually my friend had created this chart back when only the First Edition was out. When 2E came about the chart was still suitable. Now with 3E there will have to be some revisions for it such as the Charisma penalty. It mainly affected the looks of the person and how he was treated by those that did not know him. I don't see how it would affect a Sorceror but a Bard could lose his ability to inspire those around him if he had an injury to his face that caused him to lose 3 points of Charisma. The casting of spells may not be affected but just the way the PC is percieved by others.
As for the NPC's, unless it was a NPC that was with the party then these Ability penalties would not matter. If your in a fight it wouldn't matter if the opponent just lost his eye for most likely you'll finish him off.
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
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Posted - 14 Jul 2003 : 16:56:17
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Bardic abilities, yes, but arcane spells? They have to deal with the way the bard is in tune (avoiding any hippie jokes, much as they want to come out  ) with magic around him.
And I guess it would really have to do with where the source of the character's charisma (the type that he adds to diplomacy) comes from. If it's looks (like, say, with the character of Lockhart from Harry Potter) then the damage is normal. But you don't need looks to be charismatic. Steven Hawkings has a very charismatic personality, but he isn't what anyone would call handsome. He has limited hand movements, and has to use a computer to do his talking. (The Microsoft Sam voice, which is preloaded into Windows XP, if anyone wants their computer to sound like his . . . . )
Then again, many people are easily swayed by looks. If someone is "horribly disfigured" they would be uncomfortable around him. I'm like that myself, to some degree. My biggest problem, though, is dealing with people with limited intelligence. I'm always afraid I'll get upset with them for being so "slow" and so I try to stay away from them. I've got a bit of a temper, and I don't want to take it out on someone who can't help how they act. |
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Bookwyrm
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Posted - 14 Jul 2003 : 16:59:05
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| How would you deal with a character who has lost an eye? Would (s)he be vulnerable to flanking attacks in an extra square? (Assuming you can follow the picture I have in my head right now . . . .) |
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branmakmuffin
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 14 Jul 2003 : 21:26:20
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Sage of Perth:
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Without actually running this system yet, I can say, that yes, it would be a charima penalty excluding magic. Although after play-testing...who knows?.
I guess I'll just have to find out.
You'd have to keep track of two diferent "charismas". I guess you could call one "mental charisma" and the other "physical charisma". Or heck, just add a stat for "appearance".
That sounds exceedingly awkward and hardly worth the bother just to impelment a "house rule" critical hit chart. |
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Bookwyrm
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Posted - 14 Jul 2003 : 21:58:03
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Bran, I might actually have to agree with you for once . . . .  |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 15 Jul 2003 : 02:31:02
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I am going to try both methods anyway. I like play-testing these sorts of fan-created systems. Your point does have some validity though Bran. Although I think it would also serve as a measure of how competent a DM really is in a game.
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The Sage
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Posted - 15 Jul 2003 : 02:33:41
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And as for being an 'exceedingly awkward' system, well while I agree with you on that, I like the idea of being able to create a system which doesn't suffer from some of the problems already associated with this method.
Anway, I am using AraznBlair chart as my guide, incorporating what I feel are changes necessary to address all the issues mentioned here so far. I'll post it here when I have something definite.
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Mournblade
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 15 Jul 2003 : 03:49:57
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Arazyn, your chart is Impressive... most impressive.
BUT Like Bookwyrm mentioned with the EYE comment, it seems to open up another component you have to deal with. Such as an accurate system for fighting with powdered limbs, and shredded necks. I like your system, I just wouldn't use it for the 3rd edition. I would for the 2nd, becuase there were so many contradictory or EXTRA rules.
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Herr Doktor
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Posted - 15 Jul 2003 : 03:50:17
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You could just have it cause misc penalties to certain skill checks instead, I suppose.
Maybe something like the Deformity Feats from the Book of Vile Darkness.
Perhaps massive scarification or wounding could even grant the victim a bonus to Intimidate checks or Diplomacy or Bluff checks when trying to impress a band of battle-scarred pirates... sounds a little complicated though. |
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The Sage
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Posted - 15 Jul 2003 : 06:18:32
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That is an interesting point Herr Doktor. I have been considering the Deformity feats for the alternate charts I have been slowly working on. I have been using them to determine many different aspects of battle wounds and the like as well as these other aspects you describe.
More work is needed though.
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Bookwyrm
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Posted - 15 Jul 2003 : 11:50:18
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Skill penalties are what I was thinking about. And they might work. Maybe.
"Deformity" feats . . . I guess I ought to take a look at the BoVD. |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
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Posted - 15 Jul 2003 : 15:02:46
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| Okay, I'll do that. I've got it on a PDF here . . . . |
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AraznBlair
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Posted - 15 Jul 2003 : 15:26:47
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Like I said before this system was created for 1E and was able to be used for 2E. I'm not really sure how it will work with 3E though.
The idea of losing an eye and then fighting I think would cause the PC/NPC to take a severe lose of AC due to being blinded on one side. I'm not familiar with the Deformity Feat, nor am I sure how you can have such a feat, honestly I think that a PC/NPC would try and get the deformity fixed but thats just me.
Sage let me know how that chart works in 3E and if you have any changes to it that makes it work let me know so I can update my chart. |
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Bookwyrm
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Posted - 15 Jul 2003 : 15:49:07
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Yck! 
That's some pretty nasty stuff in there. I wouldn't call the book actually 'vile' -- but it's certainly unpleasant. |
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Bookwyrm
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Posted - 15 Jul 2003 : 15:50:52
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| Arazn, the prerequisite for any of the Deformity feats is the feat "Willing Deformity" -- so no, I don't believe the character would want to get it healed . . . . |
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Bookwyrm
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Posted - 15 Jul 2003 : 15:52:47
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| Now, Sage, you asked about possiblilities . . . what sort of situations did you have in mind? |
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The Sage
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The Sage
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Posted - 15 Jul 2003 : 17:33:41
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AraznBlair, I'll post my chart up here as soon as it is finished. I should be able to get to work on it tomorrow, after my second exam for the week. I can spare some time between then and the third exam on Friday.
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