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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
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 Posted - 14 Aug 2008 : 16:01:06
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I hate to make assumptions, but I do assume The'keep is still around in the new realms.
I thought it would be nice to have a place for news of how it fairs and who is in cahrge , and so on....
I would love to know:
Who is now Keeper of the Tomes?
Who is now the first reader?
Any damage/changes due to Spellplague?
Any Damage/changes/major events involving the 'keep in the 100 some year gap?
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 14 Aug 2008 : 16:06:41
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| I recall Brian saying something a while back about Candlekeep still having a place in the 4e Realms. Though, it's unlikely to receive much attention in the FRCG given the focus of that particular source. |
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Hawkins
Great Reader
USA
2131 Posts |
Posted - 14 Aug 2008 : 16:59:32
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| Knowing Brian, there will likely be a Dragon article for it at some point. |
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hammer of Moradin
Senior Scribe
USA
758 Posts |
Posted - 16 Aug 2008 : 07:07:10
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| Candlekeep still stands. However, it seems to be surrounded by water. No names or stats on the keeper or reader. |
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Ayunken-vanzan
Senior Scribe
Germany
657 Posts |
Posted - 16 Aug 2008 : 08:50:16
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| A monastery on an island, this is stylish (and pretty good defensible - in a world going much harsher an important factor). |
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questing gm
Master of Realmslore
Malaysia
1597 Posts |
Posted - 16 Aug 2008 : 13:12:55
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MerrikCale
Senior Scribe
USA
947 Posts |
Posted - 18 Aug 2008 : 16:12:28
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Ayunken-vanzan
Senior Scribe
Germany
657 Posts |
Posted - 18 Aug 2008 : 20:32:07
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| When I heard "surrounded by water", my first thought was somethin like this. |
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Wandering_mage
Senior Scribe
688 Posts |
Posted - 19 Aug 2008 : 13:54:49
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| I wonder if Candlekeep lost any inventory in the Spellplague? |
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Yasraena Dawndancer
Acolyte
USA
13 Posts |
Posted - 19 Aug 2008 : 14:32:05
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| Funny Ayunken, that is the Monastery that we used for Norcastle Abbey for the longest time. |
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Brian R. James
Forgotten Realms Game Designer
USA
1098 Posts |
Posted - 19 Aug 2008 : 21:46:41
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| Hammer of Moradin is indeed correct. Candlekeep still stands, yet in the Year of the Ageless One it rests precariously on a slender volcanic crag 100 feet off the coast. Strong magic of unknown origin keeps it from plummeting into the Sea of Swords raging below. An artist's rendition of the Keep can be found in the opening for Chapter 2 on page 38. A bit of additional text can be found on page 95 under "Plots and Adventure Sites". |
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Colman
Acolyte
Ireland
33 Posts |
Posted - 21 Aug 2008 : 15:42:33
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I take it that we're to ignore the little detail that the map shows it about twenty miles inland?
I'm beginning to hate the map: Markus, you were right. It's an abomination. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 21 Aug 2008 : 17:05:55
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I believe Rich Baker was trying to be as 'politic' as he can when he described it as 'representative', and not 'highly accurate'. 
I have been beating this particular dead horse all over the Internet, in hopes that they get tired of hearing it and hire the guy who did the awesome Cormyr Map to do regional ones for us, or even an entire map of Faerūn. I think a gorgeous Campaign Map would have went a long way in stroking our 'hurt feelings', but once again, they really dropped the ball.
On Topic:
Candlekeep being on a jagged out-cropping of rock out to sea is something I can live with, and even think this is an improvement over the old version. It gives it a certain 'creepiness' it was lacking before.
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Originally posted by The Sage
I recall Brian saying something a while back about Candlekeep still having a place in the 4e Realms. Though, it's unlikely to receive much attention in the FRCG given the focus of that particular source.
Accent mine.
Go ahead, Sage, you know you just want to say it...  |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 22 Aug 2008 : 05:03:18
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Actually I was hoping for a "Focus... What Focus?" 
You're too polite, Sage.
Anyway, I'm glad they at least kept Candlekeep. |
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Fillow
Master of Realmslore
France
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Kiaransalyn
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
762 Posts |
Posted - 22 Aug 2008 : 11:46:40
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Originally posted by Ayunken-vanzan
When I heard "surrounded by water", my first thought was somethin like this.
I thought of that and its Cornish equivalent. I like the idea of Candlekeep being a small isle just offshore. |
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Wandering_mage
Senior Scribe
688 Posts |
Posted - 23 Aug 2008 : 15:49:18
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| I hate how the map is so off on p.95 of the FRCG compared to the text. This is going to have teens arguing all over the world. Since that is the target audience. ;) Oh, I'm too harsh. There is some good stuff in here though. Take a deep breath and read on my fellow scribes. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 23 Aug 2008 : 19:13:24
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Like I said, the Map is probably the worst bit, which is saying a lot considering all the changes.
It appears that the Cartographer used old maps and then just randomly shuffled stuff around, so it would appear that the world has changed greatly. While some things make sense (cities being further inland), others do not (Candlekeep being out to sea). He also had an obvious problem with representing the Underchasm, which appears to be nothing more then an ugly blotch on the lower map (I was thinking it was some kind of 'Rorschach Test'). 
While I would like to blame the designers and say that he didn't have a whole lot to work with, there are quite a few geographic descriptions in-text that he didn't read, or just ignored. The map is simplistic, and easily rendered with generic Photoshop textures, so I hope WotC didn't pay much for it - it certainly is no work of art as was the 3e Map.
ALL of those problems aside, the book is what it is. If you are a BIG fan of the old FR, you are going to have tons of problems with it. If you are just looking for a decent setting to host a 4e game in, then this will do the trick. There are a few hidden gems in there, that I hope they flesh-out further with DDi articles.
What i'm getting at is that you need to shut-out your 'Grognardise' to enjoy it (sorry for using that particular term, but it is way better then "rabid FR fandom"). |
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Wandering_mage
Senior Scribe
688 Posts |
Posted - 23 Aug 2008 : 19:54:46
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| I will be playing both 4E and 3.5E so I am giving the FRCG a chance. You have got to read about the Dalelands. Six pages of info, whereas noobs to the Realms will know a whole paragraph or two about Candlekeep. Why not? Candlekeep is just some library on a mountain in the Great Dale right? Hahaha, it might be hard talking to 4E Realms fans. They are going to be so lost... :shakes head:: |
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scererar
Master of Realmslore
USA
1618 Posts |
Posted - 24 Aug 2008 : 17:45:59
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yeah the brief paragraph in the FRCG vs. the 1/2 page of candlekeep information provided in the 3E FRCS is a bit of a dissapointment. But in reality, does not hinder playability of the realms. Maybe the players guide will provide more information 
for the OP - the first reader and the keeper of the tomes are not named in the FRCG that I can see. |
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hammer of Moradin
Senior Scribe
USA
758 Posts |
Posted - 25 Aug 2008 : 05:12:46
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quote:
Originally posted by Brian R. James
Hammer of Moradin is indeed correct. Candlekeep still stands, yet in the Year of the Ageless One it rests precariously on a slender volcanic crag 100 feet off the coast. Strong magic of unknown origin keeps it from plummeting into the Sea of Swords raging below. An artist's rendition of the Keep can be found in the opening for Chapter 2 on page 38. A bit of additional text can be found on page 95 under "Plots and Adventure Sites".
I wondered about that artwork. Thanks for pointing that out Brian. |
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