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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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 Posted - 14 Aug 2008 : 18:49:53
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Originally posted by Asgetrion
... I have to say that I'm more than disappointed with the list. They included new gods while weeding out a lot of the old ones -- I don't even want to comment on Zehir being imported into the Realms   .
Yeah, the bit about Zehir doesn't even make much sense when you look at the design team's stated goals (ie. don't be redundant). The role of the core Zehir is pretty well fulfilled by a few other gods on the lists. It is speculated by some that Zehir's just in there because of the upcoming NWN2 expansion (Storm of Zehir), but who knows what the details about that are. Game designers who make FR game products usually have to dance to WotC's tune, not the other way around. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 14 Aug 2008 : 18:51:38
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Originally posted by HawkinstheDM
While I was waiting impatiently for the third Twilight War novel to come out so I could buy and read all three, I now find my self afraid to do so when it is finally published. My reasoning for this is that Mask is not mentioned as a deity in the new FRCG. The only reason I can see for this is that WotC decided to kill him off in the last Cale novel.
I'd just like to point out that while Mask isn't a deity in the New Realms, he may not necessarily be dead either. |
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Hawkins
Great Reader
USA
2131 Posts |
Posted - 14 Aug 2008 : 19:14:09
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
I'd just like to point out that while Mask isn't a deity in the New Realms, he may not necessarily be dead either.
I know, I know. I have just lost all confidence in the 4e Realms design team not to botch things up. The weird thing is that they made most of these changes after their was abject complaint about them and before they were set in stone. They kept on saying that they couldn't answer questions about certain things because it was still in a state of flux, but other than swapping Tyr with Torm, it seems as though they took none of the other concerns of the majority (IMO) of the fans into consideration. Being a bit of a lore purist, I have decided to take everything up to the end of the GHotR as canon, but after that I will develop my own lore (especially the effects of the Spellplague, which was what the GHotR ended with and the catalyst that the designers used to justify most of their erroneous changes). |
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ShepherdGunn
Seeker
USA
89 Posts |
Posted - 16 Aug 2008 : 21:22:56
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| I'm a bit concerned that Eilistraee isn't listed there either. I guess I can tell my wife not to bother with reading the last of the Lady Penitent books. |
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Zanan
Senior Scribe
Germany
942 Posts |
Posted - 16 Aug 2008 : 23:23:31
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| Rest assured, she'd be very disappointed when reading LP III. And not just for Eilistraee's sake. Matter of factly, the outline of this whole series was very disappointing indeed. Essentially, it started my growing disinterest in anything 4E-FR. Any news I get from those having the FRCG in their hands increase that feeling, on a daily basis. |
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Tyranthraxus
Senior Scribe
Netherlands
423 Posts |
Posted - 18 Aug 2008 : 00:51:53
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
You know, I was just noting the whole shadow thing... In 3E, anything shadow-related was associated with Shar. But shadows were part of Mask's portfolio!
Shar destroyed Mystra with Cyric's help, so she could have somehow stolen Mask's portfolio since he's hiding and all. |
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Finder
Acolyte
Canada
9 Posts |
Posted - 18 Aug 2008 : 19:02:41
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| Well if they end up killing off Mask I think they are making a big mistake. They are killing off and changing what many FR fans liked about the realms. |
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Ardashir
Senior Scribe
USA
544 Posts |
Posted - 20 Aug 2008 : 00:31:59
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Originally posted by Zanan
Ghaunadaur? Greater God? ... alas, Loviatar is still about.
I like Ghaun, but since when did he become a major player? |
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Ardashir
Senior Scribe
USA
544 Posts |
Posted - 20 Aug 2008 : 00:40:32
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Originally posted by Zanan
Rest assured, she'd be very disappointed when reading LP III. And not just for Eilistraee's sake.
I know I'll be sorry I asked, but...
what did they do to Eilistraee? Mind, I was already cheesed off with the whole "DARK and EDGY!(TM)" tone they were giving her through the Lady Penitent series, but from what you said, it only gets worse... |
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Asgetrion
Master of Realmslore
Finland
1564 Posts |
Posted - 20 Aug 2008 : 03:28:30
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Tyranthraxus
I agree, Mask is one of my fave gods. I loved him in the avatar, prince of lies and crusable series with his missing limb, fear of that hound (forgot it's name)
You mean Kezef?
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And why is Amaunator back? Wasn't he dead since the fall of Netheril, and what happened with Lathander?
Have you read the tidbits about the 'Risen Sun Heresy' in Power of Faerûn? There's some tidbits in City of Splendors: Waterdeep too.
Funny... if Kezef is one of the so-called 'Primordials', who are part of Abeir's "pantheon", how come Kezef was able to "cross over" into Toril in 'Prince of Lies'? Hmmm...  |
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Lord Nemes
Seeker
Canada
58 Posts |
Posted - 20 Aug 2008 : 04:03:16
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Maybe Mask big plan was to take shar down and somehow succeede with his intrigue and decide to do his business on a false name(Shar)...it would also explain why she pass from darkness to shadow...
Ok I'm dreaming...I also like Mask very much... |
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Brian R. James
Forgotten Realms Game Designer
USA
1098 Posts |
Posted - 20 Aug 2008 : 15:09:12
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Originally posted by Asgetrion
Funny... if Kezef is one of the so-called 'Primordials', who are part of Abeir's "pantheon", how come Kezef was able to "cross over" into Toril in 'Prince of Lies'? Hmmm...
The split is not as clean cut as you might suspect. A few primoridals (e.g. Ubtao, Akadi, Tyranthraxus) remained on Toril. Their reasons for staying are varied. In the case of Ubtao, he struck a bargain with the godly powers of Toril and was permitted to stay. The reverse is also true but we know not the names of the gods which took their chances on Abeir. |
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monknwildcat
Learned Scribe
USA
285 Posts |
Posted - 20 Aug 2008 : 15:39:17
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Brian-
Does the FRCG explain the primordial-gods lore, is it in the 4E core stuff, or is this future, DDI article-type stuff?
Thanks for sharing your insight! |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3287 Posts |
Posted - 20 Aug 2008 : 17:00:27
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-The book also mentioned that Abeir and Toril have been in conjunction with each other before. Krash mentioned in the current Ed Greenwood scroll that some Dwarves have been using a portal to go to Abeir. 
-Brian I saw that your name is inside the FRCG! I just want to say keep up the graet work. 
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"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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Na-Gang
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
348 Posts |
Posted - 21 Aug 2008 : 10:21:40
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Originally posted by Brian R. James
The split is not as clean cut as you might suspect. A few primoridals (e.g. Ubtao, Akadi, Tyranthraxus) remained on Toril. Their reasons for staying are varied. In the case of Ubtao, he struck a bargain with the godly powers of Toril and was permitted to stay. The reverse is also true but we know not the names of the gods which took their chances on Abeir.
Is this going to be explained in a Dragon article because the FRCS leaves one with more questions than asnwers. |
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Brian R. James
Forgotten Realms Game Designer
USA
1098 Posts |
Posted - 21 Aug 2008 : 14:45:13
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The FRCG does not go into detail very much on this subject.
Dragon Magazine will, at some point, begin featuring Primordials much in the same way it currently features demon lords in the Demonomicon of Iggwilv. I would love to write at least one article in this series which may shed some more light on the war between Primordials and Gods (in the context of the Realms of course!) |
Brian R. James - Freelance Game Designer
Follow me on Twitter @brianrjames |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3287 Posts |
Posted - 21 Aug 2008 : 15:01:30
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-Thanks Brian!
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"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
Alaundo of Candlekeep |
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Bakra
Senior Scribe
628 Posts |
Posted - 21 Aug 2008 : 17:26:08
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Originally posted by Brian R. James
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Originally posted by Asgetrion
Funny... if Kezef is one of the so-called 'Primordials', who are part of Abeir's "pantheon", how come Kezef was able to "cross over" into Toril in 'Prince of Lies'? Hmmm...
The split is not as clean cut as you might suspect. A few primoridals (e.g. Ubtao, Akadi, Tyranthraxus) remained on Toril. Their reasons for staying are varied. In the case of Ubtao, he struck a bargain with the godly powers of Toril and was permitted to stay. The reverse is also true but we know not the names of the gods which took their chances on Abeir.
Tyranthraxus is a primoridal 
When are we going to learn more on that little bitty statement???
And I am personally happy to see Phlan is still around. |
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Na-Gang
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
348 Posts |
Posted - 21 Aug 2008 : 21:03:40
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I posted this in another thread, but I guess it's more appropriate to this one:
I thought the idea was to get rid of overlapping portfolios (spheres) but both Sune and Sheela Peryroyl are listed as having power over Beauty. |
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monknwildcat
Learned Scribe
USA
285 Posts |
Posted - 21 Aug 2008 : 22:12:09
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Originally posted by Brian R. James
The FRCG does not go into detail very much on this subject.
Dragon Magazine will, at some point, begin featuring Primordials much in the same way it currently features demon lords in the Demonomicon of Iggwilv. I would love to write at least one article in this series which may shed some more light on the war between Primordials and Gods (in the context of the Realms of course!)
I look forward to reading your work, Brian! Thanks for answering! |
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A List of Deities in the 4E FRCG
