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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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 Posted - 12 Aug 2008 : 01:55:04
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Originally posted by Brimstone
-The Slaadi Lord from Champions of Ruin, Rinonalyrna.
BRIMSTONE 
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Faraer
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Posted - 12 Aug 2008 : 02:00:00
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
But remember, we can't have gods that might steal the limelight away from Shar.
Shar, goddess of limelight. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 12 Aug 2008 : 05:24:01
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Originally posted by Faraer
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
But remember, we can't have gods that might steal the limelight away from Shar.
Shar, goddess of limelight.
I love that irony: the goddess of darkness and shadows is now in the limelight! 
At least until 5E comes out and fixes this mess...  |
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Ayunken-vanzan
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 12 Aug 2008 : 06:15:04
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| Whereas the first info we got said that Azuth was thrown into the astral plane when Dweomerheart was destroyed (and so there was some hope he could come back) we now know for sure that the "design team" made sure that no god of magic will ever resurface. They sent a killer to finish him of. |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
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4607 Posts |
Posted - 12 Aug 2008 : 07:28:07
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All I can say is thank god (or the Force) for saga
I wouldnt touch the 4ed FRCS with the proverbal 10 foot adventurers pole |
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
2950 Posts |
Posted - 12 Aug 2008 : 12:25:26
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| Mask gone? That one surprises me a little. Oh well, this doesn't change anything in my game. |
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crazedventurers
Master of Realmslore
United Kingdom
1073 Posts |
Posted - 12 Aug 2008 : 13:05:30
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Originally posted by Brian R. James
Nobanion is no where to be seen... Well I gave it the old college try. Didn't think it was appropriate for Nobanion to be a mortal druid. Oh well.
I can't find Brian's article re Nobanion on the WoTC site (their serach and archive functions are appalling)
Can someone help me out please?
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Damian |
So saith Ed. I've never said he was sane, have I?
Gods, all this writing and he's running a constant fantasy version of Coronation Street in his head, too. .
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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36804 Posts |
Posted - 12 Aug 2008 : 13:22:06
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Originally posted by crazedventurers
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Originally posted by Brian R. James
Nobanion is no where to be seen... Well I gave it the old college try. Didn't think it was appropriate for Nobanion to be a mortal druid. Oh well.
I can't find Brian's article re Nobanion on the WoTC site (their serach and archive functions are appalling)
Can someone help me out please?
Thanks
Damian
It was in the original release of The Wailing Years. Later they went back and removed the sidebar on Nobanion that had been present. Here it is:
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Nobanion
Lord Firemane, Lord of Gulthandor
Unaligned Exarch of Silvanus
Seen as a great protector and guardian across the Vilhon Wilds, Nobanion (No-BAN-yun) appears as a great male lion of at least twice normal size. His coat gleams with the radiance of the sun, and his mane is incredibly thick and luxurious. Sometimes the Lion God's mane ignites in a nimbus of amber and golden fire, the origin of his title "Lord Firemane." At will he can sprout the wings of a gigantic eagle.
Thought to be a favored champion of Silvanus, Nobanion now rules the forested realm of Gulthandor from the druidic stronghold of Cedarsproke. Beyond Gulthandor, Lord Firemane is also honored as the titular ruler of the wemic Tenpaw tribe of the Shining Plains. Clerics of Silvanus who honor the tenets of the King of Lions are known as Roaring Avengers.
Exarchs
The exarchs are often called demigods or heroes, and many are ascended mortal servants of greater gods, brought up from the world to serve as agents of their divine masters. Many, but not all, attract worshipers of their own, and they have some ability to grant spells, but are more often simply conduits from the mortal world to the attention of the higher gods. For example, the druids of Gulthandor pay homage to the Lion God, but in reality the character's divine spells are being granted by Nobanion's patron, Silvanus. Unlike true deities, exarchs are not bound to live in Astral Dominions with their patrons. Like Nobanion, many choose to live on the Material Plane, more directly engaged in the lives of their mortal followers.
Finally, exarchs in D&D campaigns are fully intended to be defeatable by any epic-level PC strong enough to attempt it. Of course, immortal beings are not just sitting around waiting for epic-level adventurers to take their life. And should the PCs even succeed in such an endeavor, they'll surely have earned the wrath of the exarch's patron deity.
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Pandora
Learned Scribe
Germany
305 Posts |
Posted - 12 Aug 2008 : 14:31:41
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Originally posted by Brimstone
-Update Asmodeus killed Azuth and took his stuff!!!!
Why would Asmodeus (Lord of the Nine Hells for ALL WORLDS) try to kill Azuth (Lesser Deity of ONE WORLD) and take his place? Well unless Azuth has been a placeholder for one of the "generic deities" in 3rd edition and we didnt know that.
With all the slaying of deities I would really like to know how they did it. Even with Mystra dead that shouldnt really affect the personal magic of deities in their outer planes. I think there were rules and barriers preventing major powers (Demons, Devils and Gods) from going somewhere other than their home plane. So how they got close to each other is a mystery I really dont want to hear from any WotC employee. I know I am contradicting myself somewhat, but explanations from the "official source" have been really bad so far, so I dont want those anymore. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 12 Aug 2008 : 14:42:26
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
It was in the original release of The Wailing Years. Later they went back and removed the sidebar on Nobanion that had been present. Here it is:
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Nobanion
Lord Firemane, Lord of Gulthandor
Unaligned Exarch of Silvanus
Seen as a great protector and guardian across the Vilhon Wilds, Nobanion (No-BAN-yun) appears as a great male lion of at least twice normal size. His coat gleams with the radiance of the sun, and his mane is incredibly thick and luxurious. Sometimes the Lion God's mane ignites in a nimbus of amber and golden fire, the origin of his title "Lord Firemane." At will he can sprout the wings of a gigantic eagle.
Thought to be a favored champion of Silvanus, Nobanion now rules the forested realm of Gulthandor from the druidic stronghold of Cedarsproke. Beyond Gulthandor, Lord Firemane is also honored as the titular ruler of the wemic Tenpaw tribe of the Shining Plains. Clerics of Silvanus who honor the tenets of the King of Lions are known as Roaring Avengers.
Exarchs
The exarchs are often called demigods or heroes, and many are ascended mortal servants of greater gods, brought up from the world to serve as agents of their divine masters. Many, but not all, attract worshipers of their own, and they have some ability to grant spells, but are more often simply conduits from the mortal world to the attention of the higher gods. For example, the druids of Gulthandor pay homage to the Lion God, but in reality the character's divine spells are being granted by Nobanion's patron, Silvanus. Unlike true deities, exarchs are not bound to live in Astral Dominions with their patrons. Like Nobanion, many choose to live on the Material Plane, more directly engaged in the lives of their mortal followers.
Finally, exarchs in D&D campaigns are fully intended to be defeatable by any epic-level PC strong enough to attempt it. Of course, immortal beings are not just sitting around waiting for epic-level adventurers to take their life. And should the PCs even succeed in such an endeavor, they'll surely have earned the wrath of the exarch's patron deity.
Note also, that one of the timeline entries concerning Nobanion, was also removed. As well as two bits from the entry on 'Turmish.'
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"1391 DR (Year of the Wrathful Eye)
The dark druid Zalaznar Crinios leads a great host of fell beasts to sack the forest community of Gurnth. Nobanion calls his followers to his side at Machran Spire in an effort to counter the pending invasion."
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"North and west of Turmish beyond the Orsraun and Alaoreum Mountains stretches the forested realm of Gulthandor, ruled by a powerful and enigmatic druid in lion's form its followers name Nobanion."
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"Nobanion is calling all able-bodied adventurers to his side at Machran Spire in an effort to counter the pending invasion." |
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BARDOBARBAROS
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Posted - 12 Aug 2008 : 14:47:31
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BARDOBARBAROS DOES NOT KILL.
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Mirtek
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Posted - 12 Aug 2008 : 16:49:22
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Originally posted by Pandora
Why would Asmodeus (Lord of the Nine Hells for ALL WORLDS) try to kill Azuth (Lesser Deity of ONE WORLD) and take his place?
Since 3e the multiverse is no more. Asmodues was only the lord of the nine hells of realmverse which were seperate and different from the nine hells of greyhawkverse and so on
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Originally posted by Pandora
With all the slaying of deities I would really like to know how they did it. Even with Mystra dead that shouldnt really affect the personal magic of deities in their outer planes. I think there were rules and barriers preventing major powers (Demons, Devils and Gods) from going somewhere other than their home plane. So how they got close to each other is a mystery I really dont want to hear from any WotC employee. I know I am contradicting myself somewhat, but explanations from the "official source" have been really bad so far, so I dont want those anymore.
Asmo didn't come to Azuth, Azuth was flung to Asmo when he was kicked out of the collapsing Dweomerheart.
Also the barriers you speak of only prevented the major powers from fully manifesting on the prime material plane. Otherwise they were free to leave their realms and wander around the outer planes. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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7106 Posts |
Posted - 12 Aug 2008 : 18:38:57
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Faraer
Shar, goddess of limelight.
I love that irony: the goddess of darkness and shadows is now in the limelight!
What I think is really funny is that her sphere (from what I read last night on the WotC boards) is simply "Shadow". That means the goddess of darkness who hates light is now in charge of something that by it's nature could not exist without light. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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crazedventurers
Master of Realmslore
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1073 Posts |
Posted - 12 Aug 2008 : 19:32:09
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
It was in the original release of The Wailing Years.
Thanks WR and TS
Much appreciated
Damian |
So saith Ed. I've never said he was sane, have I?
Gods, all this writing and he's running a constant fantasy version of Coronation Street in his head, too. .
shudder,
love to all,
THO
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 12 Aug 2008 : 20:09:08
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Faraer
Shar, goddess of limelight.
I love that irony: the goddess of darkness and shadows is now in the limelight!
What I think is really funny is that her sphere (from what I read last night on the WotC boards) is simply "Shadow". That means the goddess of darkness who hates light is now in charge of something that by it's nature could not exist without light.
You know, I was just noting the whole shadow thing... In 3E, anything shadow-related was associated with Shar. But shadows were part of Mask's portfolio! |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 12 Aug 2008 : 20:22:14
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
You know, I was just noting the whole shadow thing... In 3E, anything shadow-related was associated with Shar. But shadows were part of Mask's portfolio!
Indeed. But remember--Shar had to be the center of everything for some reason. |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
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Posted - 12 Aug 2008 : 23:47:51
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-This was just posted by Rich Baker in the Ask thread #4
[QUOTE=WotC_RichBaker;16566866]Well, as I just said in response to the 10-question post, you can assume that deities who don't appear on the list are no more. The exact circumstances of each one's departure are something that we didn't detail, because it's not necessarily relevant to the "snapshot" of the world you see in the new FRCG. However, I imagine that future DDi articles might explore some of these topics at greater depth, just like the Cormyr article goes into a lot more detail about the Forest Kingdom than the 2-page spread in the FRCG.
We have a "secret timeline" in house where many of those events are set in order, and the exact fates of missing deities are specifically noted. So we do know what happened to most of those deities. They're not included in the new FRCG because it's not terribly useful to fill a book with things that aren't actually present in the current day. Some of those are fine, of course--you want people to know about the origin of old ruins, or ancient catastrophes that might have left adventure-ful legacies in the modern era. But is it really that important to most FR campaigns that there used to be a goddess of streams and ponds called Eldath?
(And yes, I'm not saying anything about Mask because that's Paul Kemp's story to tell.)[/QUOTE]
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Ayunken-vanzan
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Posted - 12 Aug 2008 : 23:53:35
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| FRCS 3.5, Cormyr: six pages, tiny type. FRCS 4.0: 2 pages, much bigger type. *sigh* |
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Pandora
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Posted - 13 Aug 2008 : 06:04:37
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| I may be wrong, but werent the Novels about the Time of Troubles out before the new edition was on the shelves? Doing it this way would have been a bit more sensible, because you "got involved" in the transition by binding it into a story. But I guess doing it this way would take too long (loads of deities get slaughtered and I think the designers themselves dont know exactly how each and every one of them died). |
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Ayunken-vanzan
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Posted - 13 Aug 2008 : 06:19:19
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From Brimstone's last post, citing Rich Baker:
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We have a "secret timeline" in house where many of those events are set in order, and the exact fates of missing deities are specifically noted. So we do know what happened to most of those deities.
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"What mattered our lives now? When our world had been torn from us? Folk wept, or drank, or stood staring out over the land, wondering what new horror each dawn would bring."
Elender Stormfall of Suzail
"Anyone can kill deities, cause plagues, or destroy organizations. It takes real skill to make them live on."
Varl
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Pandora
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 13 Aug 2008 : 07:03:21
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Originally posted by Ayunken-vanzan
From Brimstone's last post, citing Rich Baker:
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We have a "secret timeline" in house where many of those events are set in order, and the exact fates of missing deities are specifically noted. So we do know what happened to most of those deities.
The "problem" is that:
a. its secret ... so we dont know it (yet) and get confused / annoyed by lack of knowledge and
b. he only says they know the date of their deaths but in no way suggested they knew the how and why. |
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Tyranthraxus
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Posted - 13 Aug 2008 : 07:19:48
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Mirtek
No Mask?
Has my dream come true and Cyric finally decided to settle matters with this little pest once and for all? 
I'm disappointed with not seeing Mask on the list because I think he was underused. I think it would have been a lot of fun to have had Mystra's assassination and Cyric's imprisonment result from Mask's machinations.
I agree, Mask is one of my fave gods. I loved him in the avatar, prince of lies and crusable series with his missing limb, fear of that hound (forgot it's name) and his grudge against Cyric for stealing his portfolio.
And why is Amaunator back? Wasn't he dead since the fall of Netheril, and what happened with Lathander?
Fzoul as demigod? He's just lucky Manshoon didn't got the chance to kill him before the spellplague!
Obould? How did he become a demigod??? I don't much about him, but in the FRSC he was like a level 5 NPC. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 13 Aug 2008 : 07:35:33
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Originally posted by Tyranthraxus
I agree, Mask is one of my fave gods. I loved him in the avatar, prince of lies and crusable series with his missing limb, fear of that hound (forgot it's name)
You mean Kezef?
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And why is Amaunator back? Wasn't he dead since the fall of Netheril, and what happened with Lathander?
Have you read the tidbits about the 'Risen Sun Heresy' in Power of Faerūn? There's some tidbits in City of Splendors: Waterdeep too. |
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Tyranthraxus
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Netherlands
423 Posts |
Posted - 13 Aug 2008 : 07:45:50
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Kezef, yes that's it.
And no, I haven't read them. I don't own power of faerūn or city of splendors. I'll have to borrow them from my brother the next time I see him. |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 13 Aug 2008 : 15:37:27
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-I think the Secret Time-Line is Shar's Shadow Roll of Years! 
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"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
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will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 13 Aug 2008 : 18:42:52
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| The full details about Amaunator's return have not been revealed, however a while back Rich revealed that Lathander and Amaunator are one and the same, and the god just goes through different phases at different times. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
--Richard Greene (letter to Time) |
Edited by - Rinonalyrna Fathomlin on 14 Aug 2008 18:47:20 |
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Asgetrion
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 14 Aug 2008 : 03:56:12
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... I have to say that I'm more than disappointed with the list. They included new gods while weeding out a lot of the old ones -- I don't even want to comment on Zehir being imported into the Realms   . And what's with Dendar and Kezef being two of the 'Seven Lost Gods'? Some of these changes require more than just retconning to make sense, because a lot of published Realmslore contradicts them... *SIGH* |
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Posted - 14 Aug 2008 : 16:31:39
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| While I was waiting impatiently for the third Twilight War novel to come out so I could buy and read all three, I now find my self afraid to do so when it is finally published. My reasoning for this is that Mask is not mentioned as a deity in the new FRCG. The only reason I can see for this is that WotC decided to kill him off in the last Cale novel. I wish that WotC would pay attention to how often its "announcements" produce nausea in their customers. I think that if they did (well, if they did and they were not owned by Hasbro) they might realize quite how horrible the changes they are making to the 4e Realms are. Maybe. |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 14 Aug 2008 : 16:39:50
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Originally posted by Asgetrion
... I have to say that I'm more than disappointed with the list. They included new gods while weeding out a lot of the old ones -- I don't even want to comment on Zehir being imported into the Realms . And what's with Dendar and Kezef being two of the 'Seven Lost Gods'? Some of these changes require more than just retconning to make sense, because a lot of published Realmslore contradicts them... *SIGH*
And, as has already been pointed out, they're adding deities to a setting that supposedly had too many deities. |
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Brimstone
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Posted - 14 Aug 2008 : 17:52:52
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-Its being speculated that Mask went to The Fane of Shadows. He is hiding out. His former Chosen have been seen in his former domain.
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