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Mournblade
Master of Realmslore
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 Posted - 08 Jul 2003 : 07:37:13
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Well met everyone!
I mentioned earlier that I consider my computer games as Canon as far as my campaign is concerned.
These are the games I have used:
These were all played on the Commodore 64:
Pool's Of Radiance
Curse of the Azure Bonds
Secret of the Silver Blades
Gateway to the Savage Frontier
Treasures of the Savage Frontier
These games are all from the past couple of years, and have been played on PENTIUMS 
Baldur's Gate
Baldur's Gate II, and Throne of Bhaal
Icewind Dale
Icewind Dale II
Pools of Radiance Ruins of Myth Drannor
Never Winter Nights
I consider the events that happened as permanent changes to the realms, and the characters interact with tabletop PC's as NPC's.
I haven't started Undrentide yet, but I am sure I will make that Cannon as well.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 08 Jul 2003 : 08:07:52
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A Commodore 64  . I have one of those, still in working condition here, with it's old tape drive attached. Although, for all the games you mentioned in that section, I ran a Commodore Amiga 500. Now that was great gaming...
As for events from CRPG's as canon, well I only have ever used the events of IWD/HoW and IWD 2. And even then it was only because I wanted to fully flesh out the history of the North when my campaign was operating in that region several months ago. The PC's were attempting to stem the tide of the N'Garri Hordes, laying seige to the Upper North and Icewind Dale area.
I have been thinking about the NWN events, which I used in limited capacity in my campaign to throw the North into further chaos when the Shades invaded the Silver Marches.
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Fibura Gauntlet
Seeker
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08 Jul 2003 : 09:47:11
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That's pretty bold of you Mournblade, in so far as it's a lot of information in a awkward to access format. I'd hate to have to go back and replay a whole game just to check on some finer points I was unsure of. Unless it was a favourite game of course 
I'm curious, do you include the games because they're a popular reference point (especially for those otherwise unfamiliar with the Realms) or for the quality of their content? If it's the former, you might consider including Baldurs Gate: Dark Alliance (PS2/Xbox). It's quite simple, just depopulate the Marsh of Chelimber 
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Mournblade
Master of Realmslore
USA
1288 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jul 2003 : 18:30:04
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Basically all I do is make the STORIES canon. The people that died are dead, and any monsters MIGHT remain. I purposely have save game nodes at parts I might want to go back at (though not my c64 games) For those I have the HINT BOOKS!!! Some things I omit and some things I keep just like published material. For example I cannot see Obould Many Arrows being as stupid as he was in NWN, so I changed it to killing one of oboulds great sons. The host tower of the arcane? Well they should not of been so stupid to let me in that place! But I found it challenging enough to warratn it as happening. NWN works well for me because LUSKAN has had it coming to them for awhile. Now they just bit off more than they can chew.
Thanks for the tip on Dark Alliance!
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Kiwi
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 09 Jul 2003 : 06:23:36
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Originally posted by Sage of Perth
A Commodore 64 . I have one of those, still in working condition here, with it's old tape drive attached. Although, for all the games you mentioned in that section, I ran a Commodore Amgia 500. Now that was great gaming...
Whoops! Never heard of an "Amgia" !
My own C64 had a floppy drive. Practically as slow as a tape drive, though!
Regarding the SSI "Gold Box" games, the only one of those that I played first on the C64 was Pools of Radiance. As far as the next ones:
Curse of the Azure Bonds
Secret of the Silver Blades
#4 - there is a missing one in this list
Gateway to the Savage Frontier
Treasures of the Savage Frontier
I played all of those first on my "business" computers, various IBM Clones, before finding C64 versions (and I don't think I ever did find those Savage Frontier games in C64 form). That Commodore died a very, very long time ago, however, and I didn't even look for anyone to repair it.
But what this makes me think of is a couple of SSI products, one being and encyclopedia of AD&D on CD, and another a do-it-yourself dungeon game based on the Gold Box engine. Those are what I thought of when I saw Mournblade's subject line. All along, DM's wanted ways to avoid the actual dice, and speed up tabletop play.
There was something else for a DM at some point besides what I've named already.
Now, it certainly looks to me as if with very little effort, a DM can use the world builder in NWN to outline his group's adventures and to oversee how they handle the world he models for them. I think it should be as easy a way to plan an evening of PnP play as ever there has been.
Meanwhile, there is no PnP group I know locally playing AD&D, or D&D. Back when the D&D RP idea broke out, I was way too busy with family obligations to be part of any RP group. Shortly after AD&D began growing so popular, my kids wanted to play all the time, but they were younger than the usual fans of fantasy RP, and there were no prodigies among their crowd. I DM'd for them. Had as much fun, or more, than they did.
The older kid went on into car craziness, the younger into girl crazy activity. I took up computer gaming after that. Anyone here looked at the usability of NWN in the way I see it being used?
Hmmm?
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MuadDib
Senior Scribe
South Africa
442 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jul 2003 : 07:08:41
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Do you consider the novels of the FR universe to be canon as well?
Because i was playing one of the IWD titles (can't remember which) where you can find (yes find) the sword Icingdeath (or something like this) - Scimitar +3 with frost damage. People having read the Crystal shard trilogy book 1, will know that Drizzt found this blade in Icingdeath's Cavern after he and Wulfgar slew the dragon. As scuh im not sure, if the games and novels and the universe all run in tandem.
I have emailed Bioware and Wizards of the Coast, and am eagerly awaiting a mail on the matter |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
4740 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jul 2003 : 07:28:14
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Obviously you've never played Menzoberranzan -- it's also non-canon. For instance, you get to kill off Matron Malice, as well as at least one daughter (can't remember her name), and House Do'Urden is destroyed by Matron Baenre. I think there were a few other things, but it's been ages since I played it.
For those who haven't played it (such as Mournblade) don't worry, that didn't spoil much. It isn't until right at the end and the story isn't something to preserve. Not like a good book or anything. It certainly didn't spoil game play, except by warning you who you're facing at the end. And even that bit is obvious! |
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Mournblade
Master of Realmslore
USA
1288 Posts |
Posted - 10 Jul 2003 : 23:47:41
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Originally posted by Bookwyrm
Obviously you've never played Menzoberranzan -- it's also non-canon. For instance, you get to kill off Matron Malice, as well as at least one daughter (can't remember her name), and House Do'Urden is destroyed by Matron Baenre. I think there were a few other things, but it's been ages since I played it.
For those who haven't played it (such as Mournblade) don't worry, that didn't spoil much. It isn't until right at the end and the story isn't something to preserve. Not like a good book or anything. It certainly didn't spoil game play, except by warning you who you're facing at the end. And even that bit is obvious!
HAH HAH!!!
bookwyrm all you did is stop me from getting enthusiastic about it. I would rather hear it now, than play the game only to have that happen. NO I would NOT make that Canon:)
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
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4740 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jul 2003 : 06:39:37
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jul 2003 : 12:31:29
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Kiwi said -
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Regarding the SSI "Gold Box" games, the only one of those that I played first on the C64 was Pools of Radiance.
I enjoyed that game when it first come out. I also remember that I was reading the 'Pools' novels at the time, so I made every effort to try and recreate the three main characters of the novels directly in the game, as best that you can do.
I'd really like to play the game again, but I have lost the translation wheel for the copy protection at the begin of the game.
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
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Posted - 11 Jul 2003 : 13:57:29
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| Hmm . . . I believe I still have that one someplace. I never played the game, though. The first RP game I ever played was Menzo, and going directly from that to . . . I think it was Curse of the Azure Bonds, was too much for me at the time. I much preferred the 360-view, not having to look at the wheel or the book all the time, and -- most important -- I liked that automap. I have an easy time getting lost in real life; imagine how I got turned around on a screen without a map. |
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The Sage
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Fibura Gauntlet
Seeker
United Kingdom
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Posted - 11 Jul 2003 : 15:31:52
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The first CRPG game I had ever played was the Dragonlance Module game, Death Knights of Krynn.
My first exposure was Heroes of the Lance on the Spectrum, but I didn't make the connection with the DL books at all when I later read them. Then one day, I found the games instruction sheet lying around, "Why has this got Raistlin on it?" ... OH MY GOD! 
I always preferred text adventures anyway |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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branmakmuffin
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 11 Jul 2003 : 18:30:30
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Wow, it didn't take long for this thread to veer off topic.
I use the characters and deeds from my BG-ish games quite a bit. I do not keep saved games to refer to like Mournblade, however.
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Mournblade
Master of Realmslore
USA
1288 Posts |
Posted - 12 Jul 2003 : 00:35:07
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I have to say, Ok I am going to say it:
Here it is:
Really it is coming:
Ok I have to say it:
For real this time:
grrrrr:
I LIKED the dragonlance gold box games. They were REALLY good. Really good story too.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 12 Jul 2003 : 03:04:17
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Mournblade said -
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I LIKED the dragonlance gold box games. They were REALLY good. Really good story too.
Agreed. Although I think Dark Queen of Krynn towers above them all .
Back to topic - Has anyone made considerable use of the material as portrayed in 'Pools of Radiance - Ruins of Myth Drannor'?. I only ask because I find my opinions tied between events in the game and the events in the book.
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Malanthius
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 20 Jul 2003 : 00:24:08
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Back to topic - Has anyone made considerable use of the material as portrayed in 'Pools of Radiance - Ruins of Myth Drannor'?. I only ask because I find my opinions tied between events in the game and the events in the book.
I played all the way through Ruins of Myth drannor (literally completed every single subquest and boy was that game repetitive) but i never got a chance to read the book. What were the differences?
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