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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
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 Posted - 25 Aug 2008 : 18:20:24
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| I don't think they are being ignored either, but the rumblings I've heard were that they were having difficulty fitting the "jack of all trades" into 4th Edition rules. |
I actually DO know everything. I just have a very poor index of my knowledge.
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Skeptic
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1273 Posts |
Posted - 25 Aug 2008 : 18:33:20
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Bards are pretty much confirmed as Arcane Leader in PHBII.
They will also be expanded in Arcane Power IIRC. |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
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R0GUE
Seeker
USA
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Posted - 26 Aug 2008 : 03:17:23
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Matt James
Forgotten Realms Game Designer
USA
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Posted - 26 Aug 2008 : 03:24:09
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| I spoke to several of the 4e designers at GenCon and they pretty much denied that bards would be somehow left out. I will try to find something I can cite. |
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Jamallo Kreen
Master of Realmslore
USA
1537 Posts |
Posted - 26 Aug 2008 : 13:10:13
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"The next PHB"? You mean those batsards are splitting essential ... ugh! I release bodily fluids in the general direction of Hasbro.
Just DON'T BUY INTO THEIR CARP, PEOPLE! Play 3.0 or AD&D -- the goal is to enjoy the game, not to line the pockets of corporate schmucks. AD&D is wonderful -- a few core classes and a bunch of kits and character concepts to make up just about any type of character you can think of, and you get to play it in Ed Greenwood's actual Forgotten Realms -- like the ones he runs in his own games, not the ones he is ... ah ... "presenting." Best of all, you can buy a substantial library of AD&D books for the cost of one lousy -- AND INCOMPLETE! -- Hasbro 4.New.Coke book.
They want to screw us. Screw them, instead.
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 26 Aug 2008 : 15:20:51
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| I have to admit, I don't see anything wrong with the current setup (that is, more than one PHB). |
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Skeptic
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1273 Posts |
Posted - 26 Aug 2008 : 15:32:14
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Originally posted by Jamallo Kreen
AD&D is wonderful -- a few core classes and a bunch of kits and character concepts to make up just about any type of character you can think of, and you get to play it in Ed Greenwood's actual Forgotten Realms -- like the ones he runs in his own games, not the ones he is ... ah ... "presenting." Best of all, you can buy a substantial library of AD&D books for the cost of one lousy -- AND INCOMPLETE! -- Hasbro 4.New.Coke book.
AD&D 1E/2E is a much less functional/complete game than 4E is even if the bard class is not in the PHB nor the frost giants in the MM.
Also, I don't want to play at "Ed Greenwood and friends", I want to play a good game with my players. |
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Neil
Learned Scribe
Canada
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Posted - 26 Aug 2008 : 16:16:37
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Well, I don't think you can call 1e or 2e 'incomplete', can you? After all, they both have thousands of pages of material.
I don't dig 4e, but it seems to me that it'll probably be seem more complete once they have some more material out for it. Although I heard a disturbing rumour about how there won't be any more Realms sourcebooks after the player's guide, which strikes me as unlikely. A company doesn't stay in business by not creating product to sell. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 26 Aug 2008 : 16:22:52
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Originally posted by Neil
how there won't be any more Realms sourcebooks after the player's guide, which strikes me as unlikely. A company doesn't stay in business by not creating product to sell.
Its not unlikely, they have said this repeatedly. All that is coming out, as far as they plan, at this time, is the Player's Guide and 1 module. For more material, you have to get online through DDI or through novels. Each setting is only going to get 3 printed sourcebooks/modules per year, then they move on to another setting. Next year it's Eberron and then whatever it is for 2010. |
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Skeptic
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1273 Posts |
Posted - 26 Aug 2008 : 16:24:26
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Originally posted by Neil
Well, I don't think you can call 1e or 2e 'incomplete', can you? After all, they both have thousands of pages of material.
I don't dig 4e, but it seems to me that it'll probably be seem more complete once they have some more material out for it. Although I heard a disturbing rumour about how there won't be any more Realms sourcebooks after the player's guide, which strikes me as unlikely. A company doesn't stay in business by not creating product to sell.
1E/2E doesn't lack of extra details, like setting lore, but lack of fundamental components, like a goal.
As for the rumour, there is no planned book for FR after the campaign guide, the players' guide and the adventure. Same goes for Eberron next year. Of course, at any time, they can change their mind. (Some says that Dark Sun will be the 2010 setting).
You'll find support for all those settings in the online Dragon and Dungeon. |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
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3249 Posts |
Posted - 26 Aug 2008 : 17:16:57
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Originally posted by Neil
Well, I don't think you can call 1e or 2e 'incomplete', can you? After all, they both have thousands of pages of material.
I don't dig 4e, but it seems to me that it'll probably be seem more complete once they have some more material out for it. Although I heard a disturbing rumour about how there won't be any more Realms sourcebooks after the player's guide, which strikes me as unlikely. A company doesn't stay in business by not creating product to sell.
1E/2E doesn't lack of extra details, like setting lore, but lack of fundamental components, like a goal.
As for the rumour, there is no planned book for FR after the campaign guide, the players' guide and the adventure. Same goes for Eberron next year. Of course, at any time, they can change their mind. (Some says that Dark Sun will be the 2010 setting).
You'll find support for all those settings in the online Dragon and Dungeon.
If you're willing to pay the extra fee per month.
Also, I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say about 'goals'. |
I actually DO know everything. I just have a very poor index of my knowledge.
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Skeptic
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1273 Posts |
Posted - 26 Aug 2008 : 17:21:45
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Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
If you're willing to pay the extra fee per month.
Also, I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say about 'goals'.
It's less than a subscription to the previous magazines.
Goal means, what you are expected/rewarded to do playing this game.
D&D 4E is pretty clear on that : you'll face Challenges, most of them will be Combat-based (some will be Skills-based) and they will be linked together with Quests, until you'll reach level 30 and retire according to your Epic destiny. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 26 Aug 2008 : 17:30:25
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Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
If you're willing to pay the extra fee per month.
Also, I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say about 'goals'.
It's less than a subscription to the previous magazines.
Goal means, what you are expected/rewarded to do playing this game.
D&D 4E is pretty clear on that : you'll face Challenges, most of them will be Combat-based (some will be Skills-based) and they will be linked together with Quests, until you'll reach level 30 and retire according to your Epic destiny.
Other than the number 30 and the word Epic, I don't see how this description of 4E differs at all from 3.x or 2E. |
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Skeptic
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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Posted - 26 Aug 2008 : 17:43:36
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Other than the number 30 and the word Epic, I don't see how this description of 4E differs at all from 3.x or 2E.
I know, mechanicaly it is much the same, but the fluff of PHB/DMG pushes toward it a lot more than its 3.x counterpart did (and a lot more than 2E!).
We know that in 3.x it was still pretty common to try to "do something else" with the system than what it was intended to do and that's a left-over of the "too much" open-ended "toolkit" AD&D was.
Of course you know "my" answer to that, if you want do to something else, look for a RPG that was made with that thing in mind.
Okay enough of that in this thread. |
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The Harpers are basically destroyed in 4E Realms
