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Chosen of Moradin
Master of Realmslore
Brazil
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 Posted - 06 Aug 2008 : 22:35:46
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Well, well...
Nothing like see a sneak peak of the Returned Abeir, and see that it is too much realmsian...  
Great article of Ed and Bruce! 
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Dwarf, DM, husband, and proud of this! :P
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Christopher_Rowe
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
879 Posts |
Posted - 06 Aug 2008 : 22:42:35
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| I like it! I especially like the thought of "murderously animated petrified wood." |
My Realms novel, Sandstorm, is now available for ordering. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 06 Aug 2008 : 23:29:59
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| Nicely done. It feels like it belongs in it's own setting, though, and that's exactly how I would use it. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
--Richard Greene (letter to Time) |
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Hawkins
Great Reader
USA
2131 Posts |
Posted - 06 Aug 2008 : 23:51:36
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While interesting, it definitely is missing that "Realms feel" that pretty much everything (supposedly) Realms-related attached to the 4e label has been missing... |
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lowtech
Learned Scribe
USA
315 Posts |
Posted - 07 Aug 2008 : 02:18:48
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3290 Posts |
Posted - 07 Aug 2008 : 02:51:53
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-The article was ok.
Brimstone  |
"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 07 Aug 2008 : 04:40:30
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Originally posted by lowtech
I stopped reading at "Dragonborn".
WOW!!!
Thats EXACTLY what I was going to say... weird.
And true, too...
I almost stopped when I saw BC's name came before Ed's, but then didn't even get halfway down the first page when I ran into the 'D' word. 
I really don't read Dragonlance material.
I never read the Loudwater piece, either. I'm really not feeling like reading much of anything Realms, anymore.
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"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
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arry
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
317 Posts |
Posted - 07 Aug 2008 : 12:01:16
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| A nice article, I think it would be very good in the appropriate setting. Which IMO is not the FR. |
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Sian
Senior Scribe
Denmark
596 Posts |
Posted - 07 Aug 2008 : 13:14:59
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| its kinda ironic ... the articles about the new areas from Abier is generaly taken well to, while the articles about known areas are flamed and blamed for sucky writing, doing things you shouldn't do etc. |
what happened to the queen? she's much more hysterical than usual
She's a women, it happens once a month |
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Bakra
Senior Scribe
628 Posts |
Posted - 07 Aug 2008 : 13:55:09
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| I liked the article detailing a new land the players can explore. Plus the tidbits about Faerun gods splitting the world with Titans is interesting to me. Just out of curiosity do the dragonborn refer to themselves as such? |
I hope Candlekeep continues to be the friendly forum of fellow Realms-lovers that it has always been, as we all go through this together. If you don’t want to move to the “new” Realms, that doesn’t mean there’s anything wrong with either you or the “old” Realms. Goodness knows Candlekeep, and the hearts of its scribes, are both big enough to accommodate both. If we want them to be.
(Strikes dramatic pose, raises sword to gleam in the sunset, and hopes breeches won’t fall down.)
Enough for now. The Realms lives! I have spoken! Ale and light wines half price, served by a smiling Storm Silverhand fetchingly clad in thigh-high boots and naught else! Ahem . .
So saith Ed. <snip>
love to all,
THO
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 07 Aug 2008 : 14:22:26
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Originally posted by Markustay
I really don't read Dragonlance material.
I've said before that I like the Dragonborn concept, but I thought this comment was funny. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
--Richard Greene (letter to Time) |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36998 Posts |
Posted - 07 Aug 2008 : 14:51:54
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quote:
Originally posted by Bakra
Plus the tidbits about Faerun gods splitting the world with Titans is interesting to me.
Actually, I think that was a reference to Abeir's gods. |
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Uzzy
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
618 Posts |
Posted - 07 Aug 2008 : 14:57:36
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| Bor-ing. Hey Ed, let us know when you get back to the Realms, not this rubbish. |
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Brian R. James
Forgotten Realms Game Designer
USA
1098 Posts |
Posted - 07 Aug 2008 : 18:49:40
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Abeir doesn't have gods. They have primordials. 
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote:
Originally posted by Bakra
Plus the tidbits about Faerun gods splitting the world with Titans is interesting to me.
Actually, I think that was a reference to Abeir's gods.
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3290 Posts |
Posted - 07 Aug 2008 : 18:57:26
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-Nice to know!
BRIMSTONE |
"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
Alaundo of Candlekeep |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36998 Posts |
Posted - 07 Aug 2008 : 19:28:28
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Originally posted by Brian R. James
Abeir doesn't have gods. They have primordials.
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote:
Originally posted by Bakra
Plus the tidbits about Faerun gods splitting the world with Titans is interesting to me.
Actually, I think that was a reference to Abeir's gods.
So the gods now have a collective title, and they did indeed portion off a section of a world they weren't on? |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3290 Posts |
Posted - 07 Aug 2008 : 19:32:02
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-Hence the 'Abeir-Toril' mystery. Which fits 4E 'Gods vs Primordials' motif.
BRIMSTONE |
"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
Alaundo of Candlekeep |
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Hawkins
Great Reader
USA
2131 Posts |
Posted - 07 Aug 2008 : 19:43:16
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Trying not to be sick... |
Errant d20 Designer - My Blog (last updated January 06, 2016)
One, two! One, two! And through and through
The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
He left it dead, and with its head
He went galumphing back. --Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass
"Mmm, not the darkness," Myrin murmured. "Don't cast it there." --Erik Scott de Bie, Shadowbane
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* Martial Arts Guidebook (forthcoming) (PFRPG, designer; Rite Publishing)
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Hawkins
Great Reader
USA
2131 Posts |
Posted - 07 Aug 2008 : 19:46:20
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quote:
Originally posted by Sian
its kinda ironic ... the articles about the new areas from Abier is generaly taken well to, while the articles about known areas are flamed and blamed for sucky writing, doing things you shouldn't do etc.
I beg to differ, most of the "Returned Abeir" bits are taken to well as something that would be neat in a different campaign setting, while the transformed bits are getting flamed because they are atrocious, undead semblances of something we know and love (while these views are not universal, they to seem do be common here in the 'Keep). |
Errant d20 Designer - My Blog (last updated January 06, 2016)
One, two! One, two! And through and through
The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
He left it dead, and with its head
He went galumphing back. --Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass
"Mmm, not the darkness," Myrin murmured. "Don't cast it there." --Erik Scott de Bie, Shadowbane
* My character sheets (PFRPG, 3.5, and AE versions; not viewable in Internet Explorer)
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My game design work:
* Heroes of the Jade Oath (PFRPG, conversion; Rite Publishing)
* Compendium Arcanum Volume 1: Cantrips & Orisons (PFRPG, designer; d20pfsrd.com Publishing)
* Compendium Arcanum Volume 2: 1st-Level Spells (PFRPG, designer; d20pfsrd.com Publishing)
* Martial Arts Guidebook (forthcoming) (PFRPG, designer; Rite Publishing)
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3290 Posts |
Posted - 07 Aug 2008 : 19:54:57
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-Good Grief.  
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"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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Lirdolin
Learned Scribe
Germany
198 Posts |
Posted - 07 Aug 2008 : 21:07:29
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Although I still don't think, that 'nukeing' several parts of 'old, boring Faerun' with parts of 'new, kewl Abeir' is a good idea, I'm pleasantly surprised, that it's a fairly 'normal' fantasy realm and not crawling with 'Abeirations' (ok, Dragonborn will probably be crawling there everywhere).
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 07 Aug 2008 : 23:06:18
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quote:
Originally posted by arry
A nice article, I think it would be very good in the appropriate setting. Which IMO is not the FR.
Haven't you figured it out?
This is a DIFFERENT setting!!! This is not FR - they created a new world for 4e and have slapped FR's name onto it - its just marketing, nothing more.
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote:
Originally posted by Brian R. James
Abeir doesn't have gods. They have primordials.
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote:
Originally posted by Bakra
Plus the tidbits about Faerun gods splitting the world with Titans is interesting to me.
Actually, I think that was a reference to Abeir's gods.
So the gods now have a collective title, and they did indeed portion off a section of a world they weren't on?
Didn't read this excerpt - I'm sticking to my convictions this time, but I have been reading all the commentaary on five different sites, and can pretty much figure out the new creation story.
In the beginning, there was Abeir-Toril (which was probably a planet twice the size of the one we know). The Primordials originally ruled this world, but their 'children', the Gods, went to war with them over it. They came to an agreement, and rather then destroy the world that both groups wanted to control, they 'magically' split it asunder, creating TWO worlds - Abeir and Toril.
The Primordials went one way with Abeir, and the Gods the other with Toril. Now, I don't know if Abeir was in another Crystal sphere, or resonating at a different 'quantum frequency' (occupying the same physical space), or even in an identical orbit on the exact opposite side of the sun (overdone in SciFi).
Oh, and Shar and Selune created the world, if I'm understanding some of these posts correctly - I'm not sure how that even fits in with everything else, unless Shar and selune are Primordials.
Now, imagine how much more I could learn if I actually read the darn thing.
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Originally posted by Bakra
Just out of curiosity do the dragonborn refer to themselves as such?
They refer to themselves as 'Kewlings'. |
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 08 Aug 2008 : 00:59:38
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quote:
Originally posted by Lirdolin
Although I still don't think, that 'nukeing' several parts of 'old, boring Faerun' with parts of 'new, kewl Abeir' is a good idea, I'm pleasantly surprised, that it's a fairly 'normal' fantasy realm and not crawling with 'Abeirations' (ok, Dragonborn will probably be crawling there everywhere).
Yes, it strikes me as a setting that would be perfectly fine in and of itself (for my tastes, anyway). |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
--Richard Greene (letter to Time) |
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crazedventurers
Master of Realmslore
United Kingdom
1073 Posts |
Posted - 08 Aug 2008 : 21:37:17
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I think that you really notice a difference between Ed's and Bruce's writing in the article. You have nice prose and names that conjure up images and plots, and then you get Bruce's words.......
The description of the machines in the Glaur Barrens reminds me of the old Blackmoor with its robots.
Am I right in thinking that Ed's 50K words have been pulled from the FRCG? Does that mean we will see them as DDI articles?
Cheers
Damian |
So saith Ed. I've never said he was sane, have I?
Gods, all this writing and he's running a constant fantasy version of Coronation Street in his head, too. .
shudder,
love to all,
THO
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Asgetrion
Master of Realmslore
Finland
1564 Posts |
Posted - 08 Aug 2008 : 23:57:39
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quote:
Originally posted by Markustay
quote:
Originally posted by arry
A nice article, I think it would be very good in the appropriate setting. Which IMO is not the FR.
Haven't you figured it out?
This is a DIFFERENT setting!!! This is not FR - they created a new world for 4e and have slapped FR's name onto it - its just marketing, nothing more.
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote:
Originally posted by Brian R. James
Abeir doesn't have gods. They have primordials.
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote:
Originally posted by Bakra
Plus the tidbits about Faerun gods splitting the world with Titans is interesting to me.
Actually, I think that was a reference to Abeir's gods.
So the gods now have a collective title, and they did indeed portion off a section of a world they weren't on?
Didn't read this excerpt - I'm sticking to my convictions this time, but I have been reading all the commentaary on five different sites, and can pretty much figure out the new creation story.
In the beginning, there was Abeir-Toril (which was probably a planet twice the size of the one we know). The Primordials originally ruled this world, but their 'children', the Gods, went to war with them over it. They came to an agreement, and rather then destroy the world that both groups wanted to control, they 'magically' split it asunder, creating TWO worlds - Abeir and Toril.
The Primordials went one way with Abeir, and the Gods the other with Toril. Now, I don't know if Abeir was in another Crystal sphere, or resonating at a different 'quantum frequency' (occupying the same physical space), or even in an identical orbit on the exact opposite side of the sun (overdone in SciFi).
Oh, and Shar and Selune created the world, if I'm understanding some of these posts correctly - I'm not sure how that even fits in with everything else, unless Shar and selune are Primordials.
Now, imagine how much more I could learn if I actually read the darn thing.
quote:
Originally posted by Bakra
Just out of curiosity do the dragonborn refer to themselves as such?
They refer to themselves as 'Kewlings'.
Silly Markus... of course they do not -- it's 'Kewlborn'!
Seriously, this article (the parts Ed wrote) felt like one of the Border Kingdoms articles. I liked those evocative names and Ed's ideas -- and his writing style is just inspirational, in my opinion. However, I fail to see the whole point of Abeir... if it feels like a "standard" high-fantasy world, what "extraordinary" qualities is it supposed to bring to the Realms? The primordials? Eberron-ish devices and steampunk influences? New races, such as the Dragonborn and possibly even the Warforged? All of these could have been introduced to the Realms in a logical fashion even without Abeir and the Spellplague. So why did they choose to do it... just because it felt so *cool* and *fun* to shake up the "boring" and "stagnant" Realms? That's the only reason I can come up with...  |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
3567 Posts |
Posted - 09 Aug 2008 : 01:07:14
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quote:
"murderously animated petrified wood."
Wow Cool!!
Now the Realms has Huorns!!!
Wotc Bean Counter #1 "Killer Idea, Tolkien Had Huorns and he sold an A$$load of books."
Wotc Bean counter #2 "Cha-Ching Buddy! Were in the Money!!
Ummmm do we still get Hasbro stock in our retirement accounts?"
Bleeechhh, no thanks I will pass.
But I may re-read LOTR again, with a focus on the end of the battle for Helm's Deep. |
A little nonsense now and then, relished by the wisest men - Willy Wonka
"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -
John F. Kennedy, speech in Dublin, Ireland, June 28, 1963
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Asgetrion
Master of Realmslore
Finland
1564 Posts |
Posted - 09 Aug 2008 : 22:21:23
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quote:
Originally posted by The Red Walker
quote:
"murderously animated petrified wood."
Wow Cool!!
Now the Realms has Huorns!!!
Wotc Bean Counter #1 "Killer Idea, Tolkien Had Huorns and he sold an A$$load of books."
Wotc Bean counter #2 "Cha-Ching Buddy! Were in the Money!!
Ummmm do we still get Hasbro stock in our retirement accounts?"
Bleeechhh, no thanks I will pass.
But I may re-read LOTR again, with a focus on the end of the battle for Helm's Deep.
To be fair, Huorns have already kind of existed in 3E and AD&D as trees animated by Treants. |
"What am I doing today? Ask me tomorrow - I can be sure of giving you the right answer then."
-- Askarran of Selgaunt, Master Sage, speaking to a curious merchant, Year of the Helm |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
3567 Posts |
Posted - 10 Aug 2008 : 01:23:55
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quote:
Originally posted by Asgetrion
quote:
Originally posted by The Red Walker
quote:
"murderously animated petrified wood."
Wow Cool!!
Now the Realms has Huorns!!!
Wotc Bean Counter #1 "Killer Idea, Tolkien Had Huorns and he sold an A$$load of books."
Wotc Bean counter #2 "Cha-Ching Buddy! Were in the Money!!
Ummmm do we still get Hasbro stock in our retirement accounts?"
Bleeechhh, no thanks I will pass.
But I may re-read LOTR again, with a focus on the end of the battle for Helm's Deep.
To be fair, Huorns have already kind of existed in 3E and AD&D as trees animated by Treants.
I didn't know that, thanks.
Still not excited about them though |
A little nonsense now and then, relished by the wisest men - Willy Wonka
"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -
John F. Kennedy, speech in Dublin, Ireland, June 28, 1963
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arry
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
317 Posts |
Posted - 10 Aug 2008 : 11:39:19
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quote:
Originally posted by Markustay
quote:
Originally posted by arry
A nice article, I think it would be very good in the appropriate setting. Which IMO is not the FR.
Haven't you figured it out?
This is a DIFFERENT setting!!! This is not FR - they created a new world for 4e and have slapped FR's name onto it - its just marketing, nothing more.
Oh yes, I do realise this. I was trying to give as close as possible to an unbiased comment about the article. I have seen nothing in the extracts to change my opinion of 4eFR as a Frankenstein's Monster. |
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Asgetrion
Master of Realmslore
Finland
1564 Posts |
Posted - 11 Aug 2008 : 09:16:57
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quote:
Originally posted by The Red Walker
quote:
Originally posted by Asgetrion
quote:
Originally posted by The Red Walker
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"murderously animated petrified wood."
Wow Cool!!
Now the Realms has Huorns!!!
Wotc Bean Counter #1 "Killer Idea, Tolkien Had Huorns and he sold an A$$load of books."
Wotc Bean counter #2 "Cha-Ching Buddy! Were in the Money!!
Ummmm do we still get Hasbro stock in our retirement accounts?"
Bleeechhh, no thanks I will pass.
But I may re-read LOTR again, with a focus on the end of the battle for Helm's Deep.
To be fair, Huorns have already kind of existed in 3E and AD&D as trees animated by Treants.
I didn't know that, thanks.
Still not excited about them though
I forgot to mention that Treants can only animate those trees temporarily (it's a supernatural or spell-like ability, IIRC), but the idea is kind of the same. But there are plenty of "monstrous" trees in 3E Monster Manuals, so it's fair to say that "murderous, animated trees" have already existed in 3E. |
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