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sfdragon
Great Reader
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 Posted - 21 Jul 2008 : 10:42:07
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whats everybody's most remembered boss villian?
homegrown or official, makes no difference
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why is being a wizard like being a drow? both are likely to find a dagger in the back from a rival or one looking to further his own goals, fame and power
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Brian R. James
Forgotten Realms Game Designer
USA
1098 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jul 2008 : 14:01:31
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| My favorite boss villain is Tyranthraxus from the Pool of Radiance computer game and later novelization. A close second is Iakhovas from the Treat from the Sea trilogy by Mel Odom. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 21 Jul 2008 : 15:00:11
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| I don't know if I have one, but it might be Sarevok from the Baldur's Gate CRPG series. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jul 2008 : 15:06:13
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Originally posted by Brian R. James
My favorite boss villain is Tyranthraxus from the Pool of Radiance computer game and later novelization. A close second is Iakhovas from the Treat from the Sea trilogy by Mel Odom.
Really? I would have guess that Iakhovas was your fave...
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Quale
Master of Realmslore
1757 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jul 2008 : 16:18:31
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Elaith Craulnober
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Cyric
homegrown, a fallen lupinal anarchist |
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
2950 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jul 2008 : 16:56:54
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| The old version of Fzoul, but modified by my campaign. Also the old Arcane Brotherhood leadership from Volo's Guide to the North. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jul 2008 : 18:23:05
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Originally posted by Quale
Elaith Craulnober
Great choice, but I think of him as more of an 'Anti-hero' these days.
My favorite? Tan Chin of course! The man (Lich) has been both a hero and then a villain, has had at least three other identities (that I have uncovered), and has existed in both the Imaskar and Shou Empires, and has become Emperors in both at different points in history,
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jul 2008 : 19:25:50
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Originally posted by Markustay
quote:
Originally posted by Quale
Elaith Craulnober
Great choice, but I think of him as more of an 'Anti-hero' these days.
I don't exactly think of him as an anti-hero, but I don't really think of him as a "boss villain", either. He is evil, and a criminal, but his particular schemes and goals don't really strike me as being those of a boss villain. |
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Sian
Senior Scribe
Denmark
596 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jul 2008 : 21:59:42
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Ofin Daggerscar
Dwarven Cleric of Abbator which was the main villain in my somewhat shortlived campaign set in Icewind dale where he ended up succeding in capturing a rich mithril mine because the characters choose to play 'hitman' with one person going down in the mines at the time trying to sneak though it |
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1796 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jul 2008 : 00:16:10
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| This one is easy: The Purple Dragon! |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6666 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jul 2008 : 00:59:23
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Hesperdan.
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sparhawk42
Learned Scribe
104 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jul 2008 : 01:08:04
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Dracons
Learned Scribe
USA
299 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jul 2008 : 01:13:15
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Szass Tam. Manshoon. Sammaster.
Really, any undead wizard. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jul 2008 : 01:24:06
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Originally posted by George Krashos
Hesperdan.
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Which reminds me... Hesperdan is another reason to be excited about Ed's The Sword Never Sleeps. I can't wait! |
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sfdragon
Great Reader
2285 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jul 2008 : 10:24:20
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Hesperdan
cant say I know this one, who is he?
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
I don't know if I have one, but it might be Sarevok from the Baldur's Gate CRPG series.
my most memorable, Sarevok was where I came in. |
why is being a wizard like being a drow? both are likely to find a dagger in the back from a rival or one looking to further his own goals, fame and power
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Talwyn
Learned Scribe
Australia
222 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jul 2008 : 13:10:29
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| without a doubt, Irenicus from BGII |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jul 2008 : 14:57:45
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Originally posted by sfdragon
Hesperdan
cant say I know this one, who is he?
Hesperdan exists as a very powerful, shadowy figure within the Zhentarim who basically allowed Manshoon and now Fzoul to be the head honcho of the organisation [for reasons unknown] and that Elminster, knowing this, masquerades as Hesperdan on occasion to muck about with Zhent plots and personnel OR Elminster IS Hesperdan, using this guise to destabilize the Zhentarim on needful occasions. Ed hasn't seen fit to confirm which is the correct theory but did obliquely state that one was correct.
He appears in Hand of Fire. Hesperdan also appears in the short story "How Wisdom Came to the Maimed Wizard", which was re-printed in the anthology The Best of the Realms, Book II: The Stories of Ed Greenwood [a.k.a. "The Best of Eddie"]. There isn't much more, officially.
And this from Ed, in Jan '06 -
"You’re very, very welcome, George. As always. I salute you as a tireless Lorelord of the Realms, rescuing us all time and time again.
As to why “How Wisdom Came To The Maimed Wizard” made you think Elminster has been masquerading as Hesperdan (or may be Hesperdan)? Must be the very broad hints I wrote into it.
I’ll keep to hinting rather than confirming outright, but someone dwelling in the Realms who attended certain Magefairs would insist that El and Hesperdan are two separate people (because they were seen in the same place at the same time, though not actually standing and talking together). Which of course strengthens the “masquerading as” possibility (the other weakening further when one considers how hard it would be to do all that El does and still have time to put in any appearances as Hesperdan at all: a Zhent whose survival may well be imperilled, in such an authoritarian organization, by unexplained absences). Which in turn raises the why (exactly) is Elminster adopting the guise of Hesperdan, and also HOW is he managing it (is Hesperdan in cahoots with him? Under his total domination? Can be subsumed mentally, as El “takes over” the body, due to some already-cast spell or curse or . . .?
We just don’t know. Yet. I can let slip that Hesperdan has an important future role to play, but we may not see much of it “onstage,” as it were.
Which should leave a lot of scribes going: Hmmm.
Which is as good a place as any to take my leave. :}
So saith Ed. Slyly bailing old dog that he is.
Oh, yes: he hasn’t forgotten that Gerath Hoan asked about Hesperdan, too, and hopes G - H will see from this reply that for the nonce Ed can’t be more specific about the mysterious Hesperdan . . .
love,
THO"
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Hawkins
Great Reader
USA
2131 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jul 2008 : 17:57:30
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| I would have to say Manshoon, Sarya Dlardrageth, Jarlaxle, or Elaith (though the latter two could be considered anti-heroes). |
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Jamallo Kreen
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 22 Jul 2008 : 20:00:47
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My reading being far less extensive than other scholars -- it took me almost a year to get the second book of Threat From the Sea, so I can't vote for Iakhovas because I have laid the trilogy aside while reading other books -- still, of the super-villains I have seen, I must go with Vhostym. He wants to become greater than a god and doesn't give a second thought to the possibility that he'll destroy a populous planet in the process; if that isn't super-villainy, I don't know what is.
What I'd like to know is why no Torilian villains have ever used gates to Earth to destroy France? After all, "Nobody ever picks Italy," as Hank Scorpio said....
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jul 2008 : 21:22:21
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Originally posted by Jamallo Kreen
My reading being far less extensive than other scholars -- it took me almost a year to get the second book of Threat From the Sea, so I can't vote for Iakhovas because I have laid the trilogy aside while reading other books -- still, of the super-villains I have seen, I must go with Vhostym. He wants to become greater than a god and doesn't give a second thought to the possibility that he'll destroy a populous planet in the process; if that isn't super-villainy, I don't know what is.
What I'd like to know is why no Torilian villains have ever used gates to Earth to destroy France? After all, "Nobody ever picks Italy," as Hank Scorpio said....
Hank Scorpio rules! 
I've not yet decided whether or not to replace the figure of him that I had...
As for why no one from the Realms has attacked France... Someone did try, years back, but ran -- rather unexpectedly -- into the Spanish Inquisition. And we all know that nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition! |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Wandering_mage
Senior Scribe
688 Posts |
Posted - 31 Jul 2008 : 05:03:39
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| Brennus and Rivalen, two Princes of the Shade Enclave. They are so evil I don't know if I like them or hate them. Oooooooohhhhh, I just can't pick! :P |
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sfdragon
Great Reader
2285 Posts |
Posted - 31 Jul 2008 : 06:17:35
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why is being a wizard like being a drow? both are likely to find a dagger in the back from a rival or one looking to further his own goals, fame and power
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Pandora
Learned Scribe
Germany
305 Posts |
Posted - 31 Jul 2008 : 08:04:22
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For me the villain #1 is Zhengyi, the Lich King of Vaasa ... in my adapted version:
I am rewriting the adventures (in my head) for 3rd edition and changed his statistics to 10th level Necromancer, 10th level Warlock, 10th level Eldritch Theurge. His combat behaviour is kinda like the "Sith Lord" from Star Wars with dark energy crackling from his fingers and a dark cloak and a ton of overconfidence. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 31 Jul 2008 : 21:18:50
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Interesting stuff about Hesperdan - I think that BOTH theories are correct.
Elminster does have access to the clone spell, does he not. 
If we really wanted to go far afield for Realms Villains, I could say Hazlik - he's cool because he is/was a villain in TWO settings. |
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So Im curious
