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arry
Learned Scribe
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 Posted - 23 Jul 2008 : 19:25:44
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Who can argue with a straight face that the Realms are pretty much the same, and the only "change" is in the attitude of the posters here?
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Hawkins
Great Reader
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Posted - 23 Jul 2008 : 20:16:46
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Originally posted by arry
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Who can argue with a straight face that the Realms are pretty much the same, and the only "change" is in the attitude of the posters here?
WotC?
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Hawkins
Great Reader
USA
2131 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jul 2008 : 20:27:58
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Originally posted by Wizbane
Well, negativity doesn't really help, criticism does. Thankfully many of those disliking the new Realms here (the "new" Realms... oh oh... did I say that? *urgh*) are capable of discerning criticism from plain bashing, so I hope the purpose of "redirecting" WotC plans with this kind of feedback will prove successful in the long term. I would not be very confident about it tough... so, well, just enjoy whatever comes in our way.
If they listened to feedback of this nature. Pretty much all I have received in response to any constructive feedback I have attempted to deliver to WotC (via my poll here and in this thread on the WotC forums) is silence. I will still take a gander at the 4e FRCG when it comes out because of my respect for Ed and the hard work he put into trying to patch up this torn shirt (since out right fixing it is out of the question right now). Unfortunately, I have a feeling that the Realms will end up going the same direction as Dragonlance and the World of Darkness. |
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* Martial Arts Guidebook (forthcoming) (PFRPG, designer; Rite Publishing)
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Lirdolin
Learned Scribe
Germany
198 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jul 2008 : 20:29:25
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Originally posted by Markustay
I don't really understand it's new position either - continental plates simply do not move that much in a century. Magic is all well and good, but how does that explain how Chult became a 'floating' island? 
Especially since the Volcanoes are still in the same freakin' place!!!
Halruaa goes Ka-Boom, shatters landbridge to Chult in the process?
From the Magic-Preview:
"What was once called Halruaa detonated and was destroyed when every inscribed and prepared spell in the nation went off simultaneously. This explosion was partly to blame for destroying the land bridge between Chult and the Shining South—only a scattered archipelago remains."
Best wishes
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 23 Jul 2008 : 22:13:51
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Which I expected...
But as many of you know, I am VERY familiar with the maps, and I know for a fact that Chult is MUCH further north and west then it was.
Destroying the land-connection to the continent is one thing, but shifting the entire thing over a few hundred miles doesn't make any sense, what-so-ever.
Unless, of course, we get the same reasoning we did for the 3e map changes - it was always like that. 
Not that I mind that, it gave me a new 'career' - putting back places like Erlkazar and Shaareach.  |
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chance87
Seeker
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Posted - 24 Jul 2008 : 00:18:17
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Ooh! "an Amnian colony and a port sponsored by Baldur’s Gate". No, that doesn't sound like Maztica at all. The most mysterious and unknown human civilization on Toril wiped out, replaced by "human civilization is virtually non-existent here."
I'd almost bet that the behemoths don't refer to the dinosaurs...I'm thinking they are gargantua. Read the entry on Port Nyranzaru; large gates guarding against threats from the interior? Kong! Gojira!
What other fantasy archetypes were missing from FR canon that can be stuffed into any areas that previously undersold expectations? We already know about the rise of the Aberrations, so check off the "alien invasion". |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
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Posted - 24 Jul 2008 : 01:54:45
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Bit your tongue, hamster! Don't ye be giving the Wizards who dwell on the Coast any IDEAS, now!!!
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Talwyn
Learned Scribe
Australia
222 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jul 2008 : 03:05:46
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Well, we've not had any tribes of Amazon warrior women show up yet... 
nor have any tribes of flesh eating pygmy mummies shown up yet?  |
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Sanishiver
Senior Scribe
USA
476 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jul 2008 : 03:45:10
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Who can argue with a straight face that the Realms are pretty much the same, and the only "change" is in the attitude of the posters here?
<raises hand>
But only on the first part of your statement.
Strictly speaking I don't think the attitude of posters around here has changed all that much for a very long time.
As regards the Chult preview, Chult was never a place I ran adventures in. Other than, what, that Harper novel The Ring of Winter (I think that is its name), I don't know that I've even read all that much more about the place.
Not as good as the Loudwater preview, IMO.
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09/20/2008: Tiger Army at the Catalyst in Santa Cruz. You wouldn’t believe how many females rode it out in the pit. Santa Cruz women are all of them beautiful. Now I know to add tough to that description.
6/27/2008: WALL-E is about the best damn movie Pixar has ever made. It had my heart racing and had me rooting for the good guy.
9/9/2006: Dave Mathews Band was off the hook at the Shoreline Amphitheater.
Never, ever read the game books too literally, or make such assumptions that what is omitted cannot be. Bad DM form, that.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 24 Jul 2008 : 04:10:41
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Originally posted by Sanishiver
As regards the Chult preview, Chult was never a place I ran adventures in. Other than, what, that Harper novel The Ring of Winter (I think that is its name), I don't know that I've even read all that much more about the place.
There's the Jungles of Chult adventure module. And some tidbits in Serpent Kingdoms. As well as Lost Empires of Faerûn, Dragons of Faerûn, and Grand History of the Realms. The Vanity's Brood novel, and Jess Lebow's Master of Chains novel also contains a few bits about Chultan society.
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Eldacar
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 24 Jul 2008 : 05:50:34
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
You know, I've given a lot of thought to ways to implement some of the Sellplague changes without resorting to the Sellplague. I've figured out ways to replace Mystra and reduce the number of her Chosen, and I'm working on how to import dragonborn in a manner more consistent with established Realmslore.
I've also mostly figured out how to get rid of the Shadow Weave.
I'm approaching how to do that myself in a campaign, actually - it involves Epic-level PCs, but then, I'm not quite there yet (nor are the players). My strategy is fairly simple: Mystra was said to be working out how to absorb it somewhere. So over the course of a fairly long-ish campaign, she absorbs it and ends the problem, perhaps plausibly bringing her "down" to True Neutral (though I probably won't use an alignment change at the moment). There are immediately 1) no more Shadow Weave problems, and 2) people complaining about the goddess of magic being good have no argument*.
What was your plan? I might just adapt it. 
* Not that I really understood the logic behind that position in the first place, myself, but there were those people who argued for it or complained about it. |
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Sanishiver
Senior Scribe
USA
476 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jul 2008 : 06:22:02
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Sage, that was impressive (and fast).
That's one thing that's always awesome about this website. If you're not sure about something Realmswise, any number of knowledgeable people can get you up to speed ASAP.
We return you to your regularly scheduled scroll. |
09/20/2008: Tiger Army at the Catalyst in Santa Cruz. You wouldn’t believe how many females rode it out in the pit. Santa Cruz women are all of them beautiful. Now I know to add tough to that description.
6/27/2008: WALL-E is about the best damn movie Pixar has ever made. It had my heart racing and had me rooting for the good guy.
9/9/2006: Dave Mathews Band was off the hook at the Shoreline Amphitheater.
Never, ever read the game books too literally, or make such assumptions that what is omitted cannot be. Bad DM form, that.
And no matter how compelling a picture string theory paints, if it does not accurately describe our universe, it will be no more relevant than an elaborate game of Dungeons and Dragons. --paragraph 1, chapter 9, The Elegant Universe by Brian Greene |
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Wizbane
Acolyte
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Posted - 24 Jul 2008 : 12:15:02
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Originally posted by HawkinstheDM
If they listened to feedback of this nature. Pretty much all I have received in response to any constructive feedback I have attempted to deliver to WotC (via my poll here and in this thread on the WotC forums) is silence. I will still take a gander at the 4e FRCG when it comes out because of my respect for Ed and the hard work he put into trying to patch up this torn shirt (since out right fixing it is out of the question right now). Unfortunately, I have a feeling that the Realms will end up going the same direction as Dragonlance and the World of Darkness.
I share the same feelings, but the reason is the shortage of scheduled 4E products with the FR logo. A D&D setting cannot be sustained by novels alone, imho.
I'm among the few not overly upset about Realms changes, perhaps because I don't have a vision of how the Realms should evolve (because they evolve, or wouldn't be the Realms); but the shortage of products and some people on Candlekeep talking about their Realms rather than the canon setting surely is a symptom.
p.s. getting a Chult reference in Master of Chains was unbelievable, the other references were at least at a level we humble readers could have reached.
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Hawkins
Great Reader
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Posted - 24 Jul 2008 : 16:46:58
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Originally posted by Wizbane
I share the same feelings, but the reason is the shortage of scheduled 4E products with the FR logo. A D&D setting cannot be sustained by novels alone, imho.
That is when it becomes a novel setting, which I would not be opposed to, and in my mind it pretty much has become now. It started as a novel setting for me, and then when I finally got into D&D 3.x (because of the Realms no less), it was a bit more. Now that I no longer care for the changes they are implementing on the D&D setting, IMO, it seems appropriate that it is returning to a novel setting for me. |
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dwarvenranger
Senior Scribe
USA
428 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jul 2008 : 16:53:23
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Well, we've not had any tribes of Amazon warrior women show up yet...
At least then there'd be something worth visiting the area for. As it stands, it's totally lost all interest for me. |
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dwarvenranger
Senior Scribe
USA
428 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jul 2008 : 16:58:17
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Sanishiver
As regards the Chult preview, Chult was never a place I ran adventures in. Other than, what, that Harper novel The Ring of Winter (I think that is its name), I don't know that I've even read all that much more about the place.
There's the Jungles of Chult adventure module. And some tidbits in Serpent Kingdoms. As well as Lost Empires of Faerûn, Dragons of Faerûn, and Grand History of the Realms. The Vanity's Brood novel, and Jess Lebow's Master of Chains novel also contains a few bits about Chultan society.
If I recall correctly, one of the characters in Crypt of the Shadowking was Tabaxi as well |
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Kyrene
Senior Scribe
South Africa
767 Posts |
Posted - 26 Jul 2008 : 18:02:15
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Originally posted by Quale
Chult is too close to Calimshan
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Originally posted by Markustay
I don't really understand it's new position either - continental plates simply do not move that much in a century. Magic is all well and good, but how does that explain how Chult became a 'floating' island?
Especially since the Volcanoes are still in the same freakin' place!!!
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Originally posted by Markustay
But as many of you know, I am VERY familiar with the maps, and I know for a fact that Chult is MUCH further north and west then it was.
Destroying the land-connection to the continent is one thing, but shifting the entire thing over a few hundred miles doesn't make any sense, what-so-ever.
You know, this point has been bothering me for a while now, so I thought I'd actually "verify" the "new" Chult position.
Here is the result of super-imposing the 4E map over the old 3E map.
It seems the "island of Chult" is still in exactly the same position -- compared to the southern islands of Lantan -- and that it is indeed Calimshan that has become BIGGER?!? Bare in mind that my attempt at scaling the new map is still rather rough, but it does illustrate my point. The Shining Sea is smaller, probably leaving Calimport now landlocked (conjecture on my part). This of course raises other questions, but I don't like the logic of the Halruaa BOOM!!! anyway. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 26 Jul 2008 : 18:54:41
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That looks like the Cormyr super-impose I did, which I will not link to save certain people embarassment.
I did a 4e version of my 3e Chult, for anyone who is interested -
Chult 4.0
I came to the same exact conclusion you did BTW, and even apologized for it in a thread at WotC. Calimshan did NOT appear on my 3e Chult Map, but when I pull back the 'camera angle', it does appear to be approximately in the same place.
For all info on that map, please check my original postinmg of it on this thread. |
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Pandora
Learned Scribe
Germany
305 Posts |
Posted - 07 Aug 2008 : 14:29:50
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Hmmm ... has the "Forsaken Tree" been around before Spellplague? If not I am wondering how something so huge could have grown in just a few decades. Big trees usually take hundreds of years to do that. Oh and I know the answer would probably include "magic", but that would be a bit too simple IMO. Anyway, combining the "drowned Chult" and "ancient Tree beyond all imagination" according to the cannibals (how did they survive being drowned?) doesnt mix in my book.
The ruins of Mezro are explained in a confusing way as well: Apparently Chult / Mezro got
a. drowned in a cataclysm,
b. raised above the water again and
c. Mezro got stamped down to 200 feet below the surrounding ... "precisely cut out" like christmas cookies ...
Kinda sounds like someone made a list of "things to erase from the Realms" and then ran out of good explanations on how to explain this. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36998 Posts |
Posted - 07 Aug 2008 : 14:49:37
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| You know, something else bugs me about the loss of Mezro... How did it affect Ubtao? Is he even still around, or did he also get nerfed to an Exarch? And how with this affect things when Dendar sticks her head out? |
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Hawkins
Great Reader
USA
2131 Posts |
Posted - 07 Aug 2008 : 16:13:41
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Originally posted by Pandora
Kinda sounds like someone made a list of "things to erase from the Realms" and then ran out of good explanations on how to explain this.
I am still looking for the original "good explanations" you speak of. "Illogical" is mildly putting how they have so far explained any of the changes they have made to the 4e Realms (IMO). |
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One, two! One, two! And through and through
The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
He left it dead, and with its head
He went galumphing back. --Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass
"Mmm, not the darkness," Myrin murmured. "Don't cast it there." --Erik Scott de Bie, Shadowbane
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* Martial Arts Guidebook (forthcoming) (PFRPG, designer; Rite Publishing)
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Pandora
Learned Scribe
Germany
305 Posts |
Posted - 07 Aug 2008 : 21:49:15
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Originally posted by HawkinstheDM
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Originally posted by Pandora
Kinda sounds like someone made a list of "things to erase from the Realms" and then ran out of good explanations on how to explain this.
I am still looking for the original "good explanations" you speak of. "Illogical" is mildly putting how they have so far explained any of the changes they have made to the 4e Realms (IMO).
Well the only "good" explanation I have found so far is that the drastically changed rules of 4e wont work in the "old Realms", so some changes were necessary. That's it for me though for reasonable logical conclusions though.
The "best" solution would have been to keep the FR as a "3.X world" and create a totally new one for 4e. That way they could have still marketed some 3rd edition stuff and would have a truly clean plate to start with the new rules. But the Elephant found the keys to the china shop, so we have to live with the "new Realms" (or rather not). |
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Fire Wraith
Acolyte
USA
37 Posts |
Posted - 07 Aug 2008 : 22:07:38
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Originally posted by Pandora
Well the only "good" explanation I have found so far is that the drastically changed rules of 4e wont work in the "old Realms", so some changes were necessary. That's it for me though for reasonable logical conclusions though.
The other primary argument seems to be "The Realms have to change to bring in new fans, so we have to remove all of these things that are possibly acting as barriers to new people playing in the Realms."
I would move that while there is something to be said for both of these arguments, they in no way justify the extent or scope of what has been done. |
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Hawkins
Great Reader
USA
2131 Posts |
Posted - 07 Aug 2008 : 23:03:23
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Originally posted by Fire Wraith
I would move that while there is something to be said for both of these arguments, they in no way justify the extent or scope of what has been done.
Exactly! |
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One, two! One, two! And through and through
The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
He left it dead, and with its head
He went galumphing back. --Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass
"Mmm, not the darkness," Myrin murmured. "Don't cast it there." --Erik Scott de Bie, Shadowbane
* My character sheets (PFRPG, 3.5, and AE versions; not viewable in Internet Explorer)
* Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Reference Document (PFRPG OGL Rules)
* The Hypertext d20 SRD (3.5 OGL Rules)
* 3.5 D&D Archives
My game design work:
* Heroes of the Jade Oath (PFRPG, conversion; Rite Publishing)
* Compendium Arcanum Volume 1: Cantrips & Orisons (PFRPG, designer; d20pfsrd.com Publishing)
* Compendium Arcanum Volume 2: 1st-Level Spells (PFRPG, designer; d20pfsrd.com Publishing)
* Martial Arts Guidebook (forthcoming) (PFRPG, designer; Rite Publishing)
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 08 Aug 2008 : 00:58:42
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Originally posted by HawkinstheDM
quote:
Originally posted by Fire Wraith
I would move that while there is something to be said for both of these arguments, they in no way justify the extent or scope of what has been done.
Exactly!
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ShadezofDis
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 08 Aug 2008 : 17:55:49
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Does anyone who's actually seen the 4E rules agree that it wouldn't work in the 3E realms? Because I'm pretty sure I could run a WoD game in the 3E realms, a paladium game in the 3E realms, a freaking marvel superheros game in the 3E realms, etc.
I just don't buy that they had to change things to fit the system. |
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Faraer
Great Reader
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Posted - 08 Aug 2008 : 18:06:17
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| They 'had to' in so far as Wizards made a major business decision that everything must serve their 'two core brands' of D&D and Magic. The Realms designers have, conspicuously, never publicly made the argument for why the Realms must be changed to match D&D. But we know it was a business decision, not a creative one. |
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StarBog
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 11 Aug 2008 : 13:33:11
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Originally posted by Faraer
They 'had to' in so far as Wizards made a major business decision that everything must serve their 'two core brands' of D&D and Magic. The Realms designers have, conspicuously, never publicly made the argument for why the Realms must be changed to match D&D. But we know it was a business decision, not a creative one.
Yeah, reading between the lines of the many utterances that WOTC peeps have written, you're exactly right. They have effectively de-Realmed the Realms and took away what made it special, for me at least.
Ah well. The Realms will always stay 1375 for me, and I won't be gicing WOTC any more money for sure. |
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ShadezofDis
Senior Scribe
402 Posts |
Posted - 11 Aug 2008 : 21:25:10
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quote:
Originally posted by Faraer
They 'had to' in so far as Wizards made a major business decision that everything must serve their 'two core brands' of D&D and Magic. The Realms designers have, conspicuously, never publicly made the argument for why the Realms must be changed to match D&D. But we know it was a business decision, not a creative one.
Yep.
Though, honestly, I don't see how 4E Realms serves D&D more than 3E. I can see ways that it might potentially serve D&D better but . . . well. . . I just don't really buy it. |
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FRCS second preview - Chult
