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crazedventurers
Master of Realmslore
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 Posted - 18 Jul 2008 : 23:59:29
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Originally posted by Mkhaiwati
Since the article states that members of the Court and Azoun V himself lobby to have him crowned, I would assume all was not well with Alusair's "Regency".
Well of course things are not right with her regency:
If you are a noble who wants to manupulate and get your own way, who do you want on the throne? a 13 year old (naive) boy or a worldly wise 50+ year old woman?
If you are a court official.... (see above for the rest!)
Traditionalists want the real heir to ascend and not a regent placed there by others.
Alusair (probably) doesn't want it either, she was the wanton, reckless wandering younger sister of the two from Azoun IV and Filfaeril and has always prefereed to be 'on the road' and saying what she means/thinks, and not what needs to be said (i.e. politics).
Azoun V wants his birthright and is probably sick to death of being groomed for the post without having it.
All in all, seems to be the sensible option really and I would not read too much into the Crown lobbying for it and the assumption that Alusair was fighting the ascension of her nephew.
Just my thoughts
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 19 Jul 2008 : 01:33:59
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I have to agree with CV. Nothing I've seen about Alusair indicates that regent is a hat she'd enjoy wearing. In fact, Ed himself backed this up, when we first started getting hints of the Sellplague and its aftermath:
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Hi again, fellow scribes. Dearest Wooly Rupert posted this, in response to a comment made by Zandilar: “Tanalasta wasn't sidestepped in the transition... She was already dead, long before the Sellplague. And while I wonder why Alusair was no longer ruling when he turned 13, we don't know why she wasn't. She did rule for 13 years, after all... Maybe she stepped aside; she certainly seems like the type that would be itching to get her backside out of the throne and into a saddle.”
That evoked a response from Ed, and here it is:
Alusair was indeed itching to get her backside out of the throne and into a saddle; VERY well put. One of the reasons I wrote “The Long Road Home” tale (that appeared at the end of THE BEST OF THE REALMS, VOLUME 2 etc. etc.) was to show that while she made a very good Steel Regent, she was restless and chafing in the role almost from the outset.
However, I cannot comment directly on the length or details of Alusair’s regency, or say much of anything about the royal ascension that followed, due to a current NDA. Read into that, of course, what you will (and I know you all will :} ).
So saith Ed. Yes, reading away enthusiastically here!
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Mkhaiwati
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Posted - 19 Jul 2008 : 03:26:54
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I have to agree with CV. Nothing I've seen about Alusair indicates that regent is a hat she'd enjoy wearing. In fact, Ed himself backed this up, when we first started getting hints of the Sellplague and its aftermath:
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Hi again, fellow scribes. Dearest Wooly Rupert posted this, in response to a comment made by Zandilar: “Tanalasta wasn't sidestepped in the transition... She was already dead, long before the Sellplague. And while I wonder why Alusair was no longer ruling when he turned 13, we don't know why she wasn't. She did rule for 13 years, after all... Maybe she stepped aside; she certainly seems like the type that would be itching to get her backside out of the throne and into a saddle.”
That evoked a response from Ed, and here it is:
Alusair was indeed itching to get her backside out of the throne and into a saddle; VERY well put. One of the reasons I wrote “The Long Road Home” tale (that appeared at the end of THE BEST OF THE REALMS, VOLUME 2 etc. etc.) was to show that while she made a very good Steel Regent, she was restless and chafing in the role almost from the outset.
However, I cannot comment directly on the length or details of Alusair’s regency, or say much of anything about the royal ascension that followed, due to a current NDA. Read into that, of course, what you will (and I know you all will :} ).
So saith Ed. Yes, reading away enthusiastically here!
love,
THO
I would agree, but why would the tone in the article be different then. Heck, she could have said "here ya go, kid. Good luck" and ridden away..... however, it says "At the insistence of several members of Court and the young king, Azoun V is crowned King of Cormyr."
He had to insist from who? Auntie Alusair? Filfearil? And why did he need to insist? For all that Alusair wanted to ride away, she still had a strong sense of duty and loyalty to Cormyr, and in her mind, if Azoun V was unfit, or under the influence of certain nobles, she might be a little hesitant.
There is much to this story than is being told.... I just see the tone and words used as meaning something different than Alusair riding away. |
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Swordsage
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Posted - 19 Jul 2008 : 03:59:11
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Read the article. I'll copy what I posted on WotC:
OK, I read the article. Yes, I liked the content and the map--very informative. I'm still not moved to play in the 4E Realms, but oh well. Taken on its own, this article was a good read.
I agree that some of the names weren't FRish enough for my taste, like "Edwin" and "Eleanor". I also thought it was a bit strange that one of the PPs featured was for PCs who don't like Cormyr.
I was somewhat 'kicked out of the Realms' by some of the names also. Not just the real world ones but also 'Erzoured' doesn't roll of the tongue like a good Realmsian name should.
It would have been nice to actually have had Elturgard on the map and if that's the western border, then Skull Gorge and Darkhold must be part of the kingdom. The lack of information on these additions to the Realm was glaring.
On the whole though the article was pleasing and worth the read.
What it did bring home about the 4E Realms is the lack of detail on what has passed since the Spellplague and how the two books policy is going to mean that everything is likely to be dealt with on a very peripheral level.
I'm going to miss the level of detail that I enjoyed in the 1E/2E/3E Realms and I'm not sure I'm young enough to endure the 30 years of DDI incerements that are going to be required to bring the 4E/5E/6E Realms (assuming it lasts that long) to the same kind of level.
From the RPG side of things it is clear that the Realms is and will be a backwater in terms of new information for the forseeable future (and I'm talking 5 or so years here). Ed and co. will do what they can, but the Realms are clearly on life support.
There was one other disappointing aspect to the article which was the inclusion of the 4E versions of PrCs. We'll get a million of those in the Core, why waste space on things like that in a Realms article where we are, looking forward, unlikely to get much opportunity to showcase lore?
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Asgetrion
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 19 Jul 2008 : 04:23:58
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Good work, Brian and Garen!
Now, *this* is what they should have posted right after the two 'Countdown...'-articles. Sadly, I'm not going to buy any 4E products or subscribe to DDI, as my group has voted to stick to 3E and Pathfinder RPG, but this article gave me hope that not everything is lost with 4E FR. It's great to see that you guys succeeded in "preserving" so much of the previously published Realmslore and "familiar" locations (I think almost every 2E/3E location was on the map) in 4E Cormyr.
This may be nit-picking, but I did have a couple of minor issues I wanted to comment on:
1) I thought the Goldfeather family had been extinct for two or three hundred years? Werem't they first mentioned in 'Cormyr: A Novel', when young Azoun and Vangerdahast stumble upon the ruins of a Goldfeather mansion?
2) I hate the RW names, and would never use NPC called Edwin. Also, the road between Berdusk and Iriaebor is called 'Rupert's Way'. Rupert who? Maybe this is a hidden reference to a certain resident hamster here at Candlekeep, hmmm?  My dislike for such names may derive from my early experiences with players stubbornly naming their characters Richard Van Azoun (a fighter) or Draco Elminster (guess which class)  .
3) I also wondered about 'Draeven Marauders', as I found the name to be a bit undescriptive and even boring -- have they been mentioned in previous Realmslore? This leads me to my next issue...
4) Why try to fit in a new Paragon Path, if you can only include four or five powers? Why not release them as separate articles, such as 'Cormyrean Paragon Paths'? As a DM (were I to run 4E) I would find extremely frustrating to try to "fill in the gaps" by writing some 20 new powers to make such a path "equal" to the "core" paths. Besides, leaving them out would let you concentrate on writing more "fluff".
5) Why is there a word-count, if one of the "selling points" of the digital Dragon was that this new digital format enables them to publish longer articles which practically have no "max." length?
All in all, in my opinion it was the best article published in the new Dragon so far. |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 19 Jul 2008 : 05:31:27
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Originally posted by Asgetrion
Also, the road between Berdusk and Iriaebor is called 'Rupert's Way'. Rupert who? Maybe this is a hidden reference to a certain resident hamster here at Candlekeep, hmmm?
While I do like the idea of somehow being immortalized in Realmslore, I'm doubting this road is named after me.
What I'd really love to see is one of my own Lords of Waterdeep get a canon mention.  |
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Sanishiver
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Posted - 19 Jul 2008 : 08:12:53
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| I greatly enjoyed this article. I think DMs who are new to the Realms will find enough in it to make them want to purchase the Forgotten Realms Campaign Guide. |
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Sanishiver
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Posted - 19 Jul 2008 : 08:24:27
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Got it. Thank you Kuje!
Question: I see on the new map a place called “Azoun’s Hold” located on the Way of the Manticore between Battlerise and Daerlun.
Am I to take it this is a new fort or keep of some kind built during or after the war with Sembia? |
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9/9/2006: Dave Mathews Band was off the hook at the Shoreline Amphitheater.
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Kes_Alanadel
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Posted - 19 Jul 2008 : 08:55:35
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Originally posted by Sanishiver
I greatly enjoyed this article. I think DMs who are new to the Realms will find enough in it to make them want to purchase the Forgotten Realms Campaign Guide.
It may make brand new, never ran the Realms DM's want to purchase it, but not sure about those of us who liked the Realms as they were. It may also upset them if they think that this article is representative of the FRCG, and then find most of it is like the Loudwater preview.
Right now, I'm holding my decision on the FRCG until I've had a chance to look through it, but I'm really not holding much hope.  |
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Quale
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Posted - 19 Jul 2008 : 11:51:15
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 19 Jul 2008 : 14:40:16
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You know, I was just thinking about the Alusair angle...
What if it was all staged?
Think about it. Alusair wasn't happy being regent, and a lot of nobles weren't happy having her as a regent. A public confrontation leading to her apparent departure makes her look bad, and depending on how it went down, it could make the young king look foolish. And either of those would tend to make enemies a bit more obvious, as they jockey to take advantage of what went down.
If she did leave, she could have been doing some secret things for the Crown. She could even have formed Cormyr's equivalent of the Red Sashes: someone who thinks they oppose the throne while actually supporting it.
Another option is that Alusair publicly left, and the young Azoun V soon after appointed an older advisor to help him steer the ship of state -- and said older advisor was actually Alusair in magical disguise. |
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Brian R. James
Forgotten Realms Game Designer
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Posted - 19 Jul 2008 : 16:14:23
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Twice in the article, it was called the Forest Country, instead of the Forest Kingdom (which was used once).
Sage has the right of it. I researched every Cormyr source I could get my hands on. Forest Country and Forest Kingdom seemed to be used interchangeably.quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
And now that there's a new -ahast, I'd like to know more about him.
All in good time my wooly friend.quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Why did the Freesails disband?
Brian spoke to this but I'll add that Impiltur's fleet suffered greatly during the Spellplague; many of the harbors in their port cities drying up completely. Without Impilturan assistance against the Sembians, the Freesails simply disbanded.
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Brian R. James
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Posted - 19 Jul 2008 : 16:17:18
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The cliché doesn't bother me that much truthfully, but in this matter I just expanded upon what was given to me.quote:
Originally posted by capnvan
We've got an illegitimate scion of a dead crown prince, and he's evil and wants to take the throne? Really? We had to dive right into one of the oldest and worst clichés in the fantasy canon?
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Brian R. James
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Posted - 19 Jul 2008 : 16:21:51
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Originally posted by crazedventurers
Elturgard? I take it Elturel has expanded and become a new kingdom/city state? Does this mean that the Zhents in Darkhold are finished off?
'Correct' to the former, and 'Not quite' to the later. quote:
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Goldfeathers are back? interesting, can you shed any more light on how this happened please?
Brian Cortijo will have to provide further enlightenment about the restoration of the Goldfeather family. |
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Brian R. James
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Posted - 19 Jul 2008 : 16:34:00
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Originally posted by Uzzy
Why is Tyr dead, and what happened to Tymora?
I knew Tyr was being replaced with Torm, but Grimjaws' actual demise was news to me too.  quote:
Originally posted by Uzzy
What's with the Ironclad? If they've got Steam Engines, that's kinda changing things in the Realms quite a bit.
No no no. This ironclad is not a steam engine. In Realmslore there is a well feared Thayan ironclad known as the "red scourge" [see Spellbound 2nd-Edition boxed set]. Cormyr's Steel Princess is simply similar in design, being built of iron and powered by magic. |
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Brian R. James
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Posted - 19 Jul 2008 : 16:41:11
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Originally posted by Swordsage
[quote]Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
There was one other disappointing aspect to the article which was the inclusion of the 4E versions of PrCs. We'll get a million of those in the Core, why waste space on things like that in a Realms article where we are, looking forward, unlikely to get much opportunity to showcase lore?
I've been asked to provide "crunchy bits" with every article I submit and I don't see that policy changing anytime soon. In any event, you'd never find a paragon path such as 'Luckbringer of Tymora' in a core sourcebook. |
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Brian R. James
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Posted - 19 Jul 2008 : 16:59:50
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Originally posted by Asgetrion
I thought the Goldfeather family had been extinct for two or three hundred years? Werem't they first mentioned in 'Cormyr: A Novel', when young Azoun and Vangerdahast stumble upon the ruins of a Goldfeather mansion?
You are absolutely correct. The Goldfeathers were indeed a lost noble family of Cormyr. Garen Thal asked that I restore the family to nobility and I was happy to do so. Perhaps he can say more.quote:
Originally posted by Asgetrion
The road between Berdusk and Iriaebor is called 'Rupert's Way'. Rupert who? Maybe this is a hidden reference to a certain resident hamster here at Candlekeep, hmmm?
I was wondering how long it would take for someone to spot that! Ok, ok, I'll come clean and admit I did indeed name the road after Wooly Rupert. quote:
Originally posted by Asgetrion
I also wondered about 'Draeven Marauders', as I found the name to be a bit undescriptive and even boring -- have they been mentioned in previous Realmslore?
No this organization is new in the Realms. They are freedom fighters seeking to drive Cormyrean occupation of the Dragon Coast. As for the name, they were called Draeven Rapparee (after their signature weapon; the 'rapparee' short pike) in my turnover. One of the editors must have changed it.quote:
Originally posted by Asgetrion
Why try to fit in a new Paragon Path, if you can only include four or five powers? Besides, leaving them out would let you concentrate on writing more "fluff".
I'm not sure I follow exactly. Paragon paths only have a handful of powers by design. As I mentioned in a prior post, I'm explicitely asked to include game mechanics in the articles. It's simply not an option to remove them to increase the lore.quote:
Originally posted by Asgetrion
Why is there a word-count, if one of the "selling points" of the digital Dragon was that this new digital format enables them to publish longer articles which practically have no "max." length?
They still pay me by the word so there is still some financial constraint there. I also suspect layout and design play a part. But you'd really have to ask Wizards for the real answer. |
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Brian R. James
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Posted - 19 Jul 2008 : 17:02:01
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Sorry Wooly, it's true!  When I get to Waterdeep, I'll see what I can do.
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
While I do like the idea of somehow being immortalized in Realmslore, I'm doubting this road is named after me.
What I'd really love to see is one of my own Lords of Waterdeep get a canon mention.
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 19 Jul 2008 : 17:04:14
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Originally posted by Brian R. James
Sorry Wooly, it's true! When I get to Waterdeep, I'll see what I can do.
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
While I do like the idea of somehow being immortalized in Realmslore, I'm doubting this road is named after me.
What I'd really love to see is one of my own Lords of Waterdeep get a canon mention.
Really? Wow, that's pretty cool. Thanks! |
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Brian R. James
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Posted - 19 Jul 2008 : 17:04:39
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Originally posted by Sanishiver
I see on the new map a place called “Azoun’s Hold” located on the Way of the Manticore between Battlerise and Daerlun.
Am I to take it this is a new fort or keep of some kind built during or after the war with Sembia?
Absolutely correct. Several new forts have been constructed over the last century. The most notable being Azoun's Hold, Castle Nacacia, and Form Helm.
Speaking of which, I just now noticed the city of New Tilverton is missing from the map.  It was supposed to be just west of Castle Nacacia along the Moonsea Ride. I wonder why it got yanked. |
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Garen Thal
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 19 Jul 2008 : 18:26:45
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As regards the Goldfeather noble house:
The Goldfeathers are, indeed, a house that's been stripped, exiled, executed, and re-invested multiple times over the course of Cormyr's history. Chapter 30 of Cormyr: A Novel (set in 1324DR) talks about one such extinction of the line, yet in Swords of Dragonfire (1348DR) we're already hearing reference to "Lord Goldfeather" and his treacherous ways.
The Goldfeathers are an old family, and--like many old noble houses--occasionally step across the line and find themselves no longer titled. However, being old, there are always non-noble branches of the family to creep out of the woodworks a generation or a century later, declare and prove their loyalty, and get the family back on track.
More generally speaking, many of the notes I passed to Brian James for inclusion in the article were items I had "always" planned on incorporating into Cormyr when I got the chance (by "always" I mean "as soon as I learned of the century jump"). I worked out many of the details with Ed, squared them with what was already established in the 4E Realms, and the result are some of the things being discussed in this thread. Some are mere threads to be developed later, and others lead to piles of notes I've been working on for a long, long time--massaging and kneading and adapting to what was published or privately revealed to me--and waiting patiently for my chance to reveal them to all.
To be perfectly honest, I probably have enough material on-hand to populate an entire 160-page sourcebook. But that, friends, is an entirely different subject. :/ |
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Asgetrion
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 19 Jul 2008 : 19:26:18
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Originally posted by Brian R. James
Sorry Wooly, it's true! When I get to Waterdeep, I'll see what I can do.
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
While I do like the idea of somehow being immortalized in Realmslore, I'm doubting this road is named after me.
What I'd really love to see is one of my own Lords of Waterdeep get a canon mention.
Yeah, I'm looking forward to seeing at least 'Big Al's Alley' and 'The Sage's Street' in Waterdeep!  |
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Posted - 19 Jul 2008 : 19:46:28
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| This is exactly the sort of articles that I wish had been available for areas like Cormyr that did not receive much of an update for the 3.x Realms. *pout* |
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Sanishiver
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Posted - 19 Jul 2008 : 19:51:34
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Originally posted by Brian R. James
Speaking of which, I just now noticed the city of New Tilverton is missing from the map. It was supposed to be just west of Castle Nacacia along the Moonsea Ride. I wonder why it got yanked.
You just answered my next question for me. Good on you man!
So I'll shift it over to the "Tilverton Scar" (going from memory, don't have the map up).
Is that scar still a shadowy void like it was in 3E? OR has that faded/gone/been ntaken away over time? |
09/20/2008: Tiger Army at the Catalyst in Santa Cruz. You wouldn’t believe how many females rode it out in the pit. Santa Cruz women are all of them beautiful. Now I know to add tough to that description.
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Markustay
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Posted - 19 Jul 2008 : 22:46:42
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I still can't download this article (even after signing in) - I get like two pages of Internet/computer jibberish on my screen instead.
Not even an error message - just a bunch of proggie-speak. This is a new one on me. If anyone wants to be kind enough to mail me a copy directly (Markustay@optonline.net), I'd be very grateful.
I'm practically drooling over here trying to access that map. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 19 Jul 2008 : 23:04:34
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Originally posted by Markustay
I still can't download this article (even after signing in) - I get like two pages of Internet/computer jibberish on my screen instead.
Not even an error message - just a bunch of proggie-speak. This is a new one on me. If anyone wants to be kind enough to mail me a copy directly (Markustay@optonline.net), I'd be very grateful.
I'm practically drooling over here trying to access that map.
It's sent.
And, since we know you love maps... I mentioned earlier that I extracted the map from the pdf, and that it was an impressive size. I included that. |
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Uzzy
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19 Jul 2008 : 23:24:15
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Originally posted by Brian R. James
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Originally posted by Uzzy
What's with the Ironclad? If they've got Steam Engines, that's kinda changing things in the Realms quite a bit.
No no no. This ironclad is not a steam engine. In Realmslore there is a well feared Thayan ironclad known as the "red scourge" [see Spellbound 2nd-Edition boxed set]. Cormyr's Steel Princess is simply similar in design, being built of iron and powered by magic.
So, we have magic that can be the equivalent of steam engines? How does that not change things just as much? |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 19 Jul 2008 : 23:45:35
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I think this is a case of making a mountain out of a mole-hill. As Brian has said, there already was a single Ironclad warship in existance in the Realms (that we know of) called The Red Scourge, and assuming that at least one other power would copy the design in the past century is acceptable, if not inevitable.
In a world with flying ships and cities, a magicallly-propelled watercraft bothers you?
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
It's sent.
And, since we know you love maps... I mentioned earlier that I extracted the map from the pdf, and that it was an impressive size. I included that.
Thank you so much, Sir Hamster.
I'll be sure to leave an offering on Rupert's Way during my travels.
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Originally posted by Brian R. James
Speaking of which, I just now noticed the city of New Tilverton is missing from the map. It was supposed to be just west of Castle Nacacia along the Moonsea Ride. I wonder why it got yanked.
Oh No!
There was an RSE before the map even shpipped! Tilverton's been blown up... AGAIN! |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 19 Jul 2008 : 23:55:11
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Sorry for the DP, but of course I looked at the map before even reading the article (and it's got my adrenaline pumpin'... to put it mildly).
I think, without even reading said areticle, I want to play in the 4e Realms.
I notice at least one non-canon location from my Stonelands campaign map Brian... Thanks for that. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 20 Jul 2008 : 01:38:16
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Originally posted by Brian R. James
Sorry Wooly, it's true! When I get to Waterdeep, I'll see what I can do.
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
While I do like the idea of somehow being immortalized in Realmslore, I'm doubting this road is named after me.
What I'd really love to see is one of my own Lords of Waterdeep get a canon mention.
Nice!
I'm starting to wonder though Brian... are you intentionally targetting select scribes of Candlekeep? First Kuje, now Wooly. Hehe... Whose next? |
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Dragon issue 365: New Cormyr
